| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk 12:53 - Aug 19 with 2426 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I think Usyk will win the fight again on points.
But I have been baffled by the amount of people who say "Aj just needs to be more aggressive", as if it is that easy against the P4P best.
I think Aj is going to do the opposite. He keeps referring to the 7-5 score card in the last fight saying how if he would've won one more round he would've drew. Now that card was dodgy but thats to be expected. I think Ajs plan is just nick a couple more rounds and hope if its close he gets the decision.
Any other predictions ? [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 16:22]
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 12:58 - Aug 19 with 1571 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
I'm not watching normally I would but I can't see anything other than a rerun.
AJ does need to be more aggressive, he tried to out box Usyk last time and he has no chance, he needs to go toe to toe and put him down, he has huge punching power but it's no good if you don't hit the other bloke.
He needs to close the space, drag him into a brawl and not worry about getting hit quite so much, we know he can take a punch from the biggest guys in the division.
If he's to win he has to floor Usyk and he only does that being aggressive, not hoping to catch him. |  |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:04 - Aug 19 with 1551 views | gtsb1966 |
I'm disappointed the fight is in Saudi Arabia. AJ was a big voice in the BLM campaign and rightly so given his status but he loses a lot of credibility in fighting in a country where lots of lives DON'T matter. I know people will say about the earnings but he was a very rich man before the Saudi involvement in boxing. [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 13:08]
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:09 - Aug 19 with 1526 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 12:58 - Aug 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I'm not watching normally I would but I can't see anything other than a rerun.
AJ does need to be more aggressive, he tried to out box Usyk last time and he has no chance, he needs to go toe to toe and put him down, he has huge punching power but it's no good if you don't hit the other bloke.
He needs to close the space, drag him into a brawl and not worry about getting hit quite so much, we know he can take a punch from the biggest guys in the division.
If he's to win he has to floor Usyk and he only does that being aggressive, not hoping to catch him. |
But does he though?
If two of those later rounds would've been close Aj could have got at least a draw on the scorecards. I don't think its possible to drag Usyk in to a brawl, it nearly happened to him at Cruiserweight vs Breidis, but he's far too smart for that. Aj boxed well in most of the rounds in the last fight, but didn't do enough to win them
I too think Usyk will win, but I think AJs game plan is going to be different to what people may expect. I would say AJ winning by KO is far more unlikely than him winning on points. [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 13:10]
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:25 - Aug 19 with 1472 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:09 - Aug 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
But does he though?
If two of those later rounds would've been close Aj could have got at least a draw on the scorecards. I don't think its possible to drag Usyk in to a brawl, it nearly happened to him at Cruiserweight vs Breidis, but he's far too smart for that. Aj boxed well in most of the rounds in the last fight, but didn't do enough to win them
I too think Usyk will win, but I think AJs game plan is going to be different to what people may expect. I would say AJ winning by KO is far more unlikely than him winning on points. [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 13:10]
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I really didn't think he was ever in the fight 1st time around. Never looked like hurting him and Usyk always in control, that's cards look close becsues Usyk was never going to put him down do they go down as 10-9 but AJ won very few and didn't look like winning many more.
For me it's up to AJ to make it niggly, cut off the space and get in close otherwise he simply can't win, you can't Lennox Lewis it against Uysk. AJs biggest asset is his power esp against a guy who stepped up from cruiserweight. I agree Usyk will not want to get drawn into a brawl which is why AJ has to get in close, make it as awkward as possible make him feel pressured, like he has no room. He need to take a leaf out of Tysons book, keep moving, keep going forward and hit the bloke and if he manages to catch him a couple of times with a proper shot that will shake Uysk up. | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:32 - Aug 19 with 1450 views | J2BLUE |
Not paying £27 for a fight held in Saudi Arabia.
I hope Usyk wins. Never really warmed to AJ as much as many of the other heavyweights. |  |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:33 - Aug 19 with 1446 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:25 - Aug 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I really didn't think he was ever in the fight 1st time around. Never looked like hurting him and Usyk always in control, that's cards look close becsues Usyk was never going to put him down do they go down as 10-9 but AJ won very few and didn't look like winning many more.
For me it's up to AJ to make it niggly, cut off the space and get in close otherwise he simply can't win, you can't Lennox Lewis it against Uysk. AJs biggest asset is his power esp against a guy who stepped up from cruiserweight. I agree Usyk will not want to get drawn into a brawl which is why AJ has to get in close, make it as awkward as possible make him feel pressured, like he has no room. He need to take a leaf out of Tysons book, keep moving, keep going forward and hit the bloke and if he manages to catch him a couple of times with a proper shot that will shake Uysk up. |
He was definitely in through the first 6. The card was close because the judges scored the close rounds 10-9 AJ. I had Usyk winning 9 rounds. The judges didnt. I think that's what im trying to say, the fight that we all saw, wasn't what the judges saw the cards prove that. I think Aj is thinking about Judges scorecards not the general perception.
I also wouldn't recommend him taking inspiration from Fury fighting against smaller southpaws after his performances vs Wallin and Cunningham. AJ even caught Usyk well twice in the first fight but Usyk has a serious chin, he always has.
AJ just needs to keep active, he has to have energy in those championship rounds, that's what ruined him on the cards in the last fight because he was absolutely gassed for the last 3. His best chance is winning a dodgy/close card imo [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 13:36]
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:37 - Aug 19 with 1428 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:33 - Aug 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
He was definitely in through the first 6. The card was close because the judges scored the close rounds 10-9 AJ. I had Usyk winning 9 rounds. The judges didnt. I think that's what im trying to say, the fight that we all saw, wasn't what the judges saw the cards prove that. I think Aj is thinking about Judges scorecards not the general perception.
I also wouldn't recommend him taking inspiration from Fury fighting against smaller southpaws after his performances vs Wallin and Cunningham. AJ even caught Usyk well twice in the first fight but Usyk has a serious chin, he always has.
AJ just needs to keep active, he has to have energy in those championship rounds, that's what ruined him on the cards in the last fight because he was absolutely gassed for the last 3. His best chance is winning a dodgy/close card imo [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 13:36]
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I meant Mike Tyson.
Rounds have to be incredibly 1 sided to be scored anything other than 10 - 9. Usually only a knockdown will change that | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:45 - Aug 19 with 1393 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:04 - Aug 19 by gtsb1966 |
I'm disappointed the fight is in Saudi Arabia. AJ was a big voice in the BLM campaign and rightly so given his status but he loses a lot of credibility in fighting in a country where lots of lives DON'T matter. I know people will say about the earnings but he was a very rich man before the Saudi involvement in boxing. [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 13:08]
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It’s all about the money, money, money. If he loses this fight the mega fights will be mainly a thing of the past so Hearn/AJ maximizing profits.
They’d fight in your back garden if you outbid the Saudis. |  | | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:45 - Aug 19 with 1391 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:37 - Aug 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I meant Mike Tyson.
Rounds have to be incredibly 1 sided to be scored anything other than 10 - 9. Usually only a knockdown will change that |
Apologies.
I know about the scoring. None of the rounds were 10-8...What im saying is all the rounds that were remotely close that Usyk might have even edged were given to AJ. Aj probably knows this.. one judge had Usyk by a one round swing because of that. Aj has constantly mentioned this scorecard.If Aj would've been competitive in one of those later rounds in the first fight, he would've got a draw on one scorecard. To win this fight, he is going to need that generosity/incompetence again I think. | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:47 - Aug 19 with 1384 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
He has to knock him, he won’t win on points. He tried to outbox him at Spurs and it failed miserably. It should be well worth a watch as AJ has to go for it. | | | |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:47 - Aug 19 with 1383 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:45 - Aug 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It’s all about the money, money, money. If he loses this fight the mega fights will be mainly a thing of the past so Hearn/AJ maximizing profits.
They’d fight in your back garden if you outbid the Saudis. |
If he loses this, he can still fight Wilder/Fury/Ruiz 3 etc etc. All of those are mega fights. Losing to the best fighter on the planet won't change that.
Im not sure if this is just spin, but apparently team Usyk were the driving force behind this being in Saudi. | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:52 - Aug 19 with 1352 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:47 - Aug 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
If he loses this, he can still fight Wilder/Fury/Ruiz 3 etc etc. All of those are mega fights. Losing to the best fighter on the planet won't change that.
Im not sure if this is just spin, but apparently team Usyk were the driving force behind this being in Saudi. |
They’re not mega fights and all those fights you list become increasingly unlikely if he loses. He won’t fight Ruiz again lol.
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:56 - Aug 19 with 1333 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:52 - Aug 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
They’re not mega fights and all those fights you list become increasingly unlikely if he loses. He won’t fight Ruiz again lol.
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Aj vs Wilder isn't a mega fight ???
All of those fights are completely possible. Aj isnt going retire.
Aj vs Fury has already been signed once before, both of them clearly want it because it makes extreme amounts of money, belts on the line or not.
Wilder doesnt have many other big fight options, hes not in any mandatory positions and Aj has signed for that before. No matter who Aj fights hes always going to do huge numbers. Losing to an all time great fighter doesnt change that. [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 13:56]
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:00 - Aug 19 with 1314 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:45 - Aug 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Apologies.
I know about the scoring. None of the rounds were 10-8...What im saying is all the rounds that were remotely close that Usyk might have even edged were given to AJ. Aj probably knows this.. one judge had Usyk by a one round swing because of that. Aj has constantly mentioned this scorecard.If Aj would've been competitive in one of those later rounds in the first fight, he would've got a draw on one scorecard. To win this fight, he is going to need that generosity/incompetence again I think. |
I understand what you're saying. What I am trying to say probably quite badly is that v few of those rounds were close.
I didn't see many that could have gone either way and I don't think the judges did either. At the end cards make it look closer than it was as they are all 10 - 9.
I think of the 3 judges 1 had him winning 4 one 3 and one 5 (the British judge) so for ease though not exactly scientific let's take the average of 4, AJ needs to.win almost twice as many rounds this time to win tbe fight (7).... he's simply not going to that becauses as you have already said Usyk is too good a boxer for that.
He was never in it, never close, his work rate was nowhere near Usyk, nor punches landed etc, if it gets to championship rounds it's already lost unless he manages to catch him flush.
He has to get in his face. | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:04 - Aug 19 with 1295 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:00 - Aug 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I understand what you're saying. What I am trying to say probably quite badly is that v few of those rounds were close.
I didn't see many that could have gone either way and I don't think the judges did either. At the end cards make it look closer than it was as they are all 10 - 9.
I think of the 3 judges 1 had him winning 4 one 3 and one 5 (the British judge) so for ease though not exactly scientific let's take the average of 4, AJ needs to.win almost twice as many rounds this time to win tbe fight (7).... he's simply not going to that becauses as you have already said Usyk is too good a boxer for that.
He was never in it, never close, his work rate was nowhere near Usyk, nor punches landed etc, if it gets to championship rounds it's already lost unless he manages to catch him flush.
He has to get in his face. |
I actually think we are agreeing completely on how Aj could win, on how the first fight went and how we think this one will go. And ultimately we agree that Usyk is just much better. He is P4P 1 for a reason. Maybe we disagree on how we think Aj will approach.
In an ideal world Aj can close that distance far more effectively, that's always been his best attribute, that strong inside fighting, and great upper cuts. I just hope he hasn't resigned himself to the fact he cant do it and hes going to try make it as close as possible and hope for a dodgy card. Its a fascinating fight though, rematches always are, but this one is really good.
Usyks best features is the gears he can go through as well as footwork. He got stronger through that first fight, he's a really special fighter, and if Aj pulls it off. Wow. [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 14:06]
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:16 - Aug 19 with 1242 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:04 - Aug 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I actually think we are agreeing completely on how Aj could win, on how the first fight went and how we think this one will go. And ultimately we agree that Usyk is just much better. He is P4P 1 for a reason. Maybe we disagree on how we think Aj will approach.
In an ideal world Aj can close that distance far more effectively, that's always been his best attribute, that strong inside fighting, and great upper cuts. I just hope he hasn't resigned himself to the fact he cant do it and hes going to try make it as close as possible and hope for a dodgy card. Its a fascinating fight though, rematches always are, but this one is really good.
Usyks best features is the gears he can go through as well as footwork. He got stronger through that first fight, he's a really special fighter, and if Aj pulls it off. Wow. [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 14:06]
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I think maybe we just saw the 1st fight differently becaues to me it was v 1 sided and AJ nowhere near it but ultimately yes he has to close him down and be prepared to take the odd shot if it means he can connect with one of his own | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:20 - Aug 19 with 1222 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:16 - Aug 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I think maybe we just saw the 1st fight differently becaues to me it was v 1 sided and AJ nowhere near it but ultimately yes he has to close him down and be prepared to take the odd shot if it means he can connect with one of his own |
I had Usyk winning comfortably, Aj didn't do enough to win 9 rounds. I gave Aj 3.
I just dont think that he was absolutely awful just not as good as Usyk. It was competitive in the first 6 rounds and at times in those rounds Aj boxed quite nice. But then Usyk went through the gears and Aj just didn't have it in him, he got beat by an elite fighter. As I've said in another reply, if Aj loses this isnt the end for him like some have said, he can still compete at the top level, he's just run in to one of the best there is. [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 14:21]
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:21 - Aug 19 with 1219 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 13:56 - Aug 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Aj vs Wilder isn't a mega fight ???
All of those fights are completely possible. Aj isnt going retire.
Aj vs Fury has already been signed once before, both of them clearly want it because it makes extreme amounts of money, belts on the line or not.
Wilder doesnt have many other big fight options, hes not in any mandatory positions and Aj has signed for that before. No matter who Aj fights hes always going to do huge numbers. Losing to an all time great fighter doesnt change that. [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 13:56]
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It was a mega fight in 2019 won’t command the money it would have done.
Fury AJ will iron happen for all the marbles so he needs to win. | | | |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:25 - Aug 19 with 1198 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:21 - Aug 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It was a mega fight in 2019 won’t command the money it would have done.
Fury AJ will iron happen for all the marbles so he needs to win. |
Aj vs Wilder is a mega fight.... absolutely no doubt about it. What makes a fight a mega fight is how they appeal to casuals. Wilder is even more famous than he was in 2019 cause of the Fury fights and AJ is still AJ.
That would sell out Wembley easily and do massive PPV numbers. Wilder vs Aj is far bigger than Fury vs Whyte and that did pretty good. Casuals don't care about belts or resumes, they care about names. | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:26 - Aug 19 with 1195 views | hype313 |
AJ needs to take him out in the first 6 rounds, work the body as Usyk has been put down 3 times by body shots.
Having said that, easier said than done, and AJ just isn't a great boxer, think Usyk will toy with him and watch him gas out before finishing him off.
Hearn trying to sell the AJ Fury fight regardless of a loss is laughable. |  |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:31 - Aug 19 with 1183 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:26 - Aug 19 by hype313 |
AJ needs to take him out in the first 6 rounds, work the body as Usyk has been put down 3 times by body shots.
Having said that, easier said than done, and AJ just isn't a great boxer, think Usyk will toy with him and watch him gas out before finishing him off.
Hearn trying to sell the AJ Fury fight regardless of a loss is laughable. |
Working the body is a great point, he completely ignored it in fight one. Robert Garcia fighters have always been effective body punchers so hopefully that is something that he has got in to Aj.
I don't think the Fury fight can ever be written off. personally, purely because of the money it generates and Fury's tendency to retire for 4 months. But it would have to be within the next year or you end up in Khan Brook territory where it just rumbles on forever. That makes it unlikely. | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:31 - Aug 19 with 1180 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:25 - Aug 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Aj vs Wilder is a mega fight.... absolutely no doubt about it. What makes a fight a mega fight is how they appeal to casuals. Wilder is even more famous than he was in 2019 cause of the Fury fights and AJ is still AJ.
That would sell out Wembley easily and do massive PPV numbers. Wilder vs Aj is far bigger than Fury vs Whyte and that did pretty good. Casuals don't care about belts or resumes, they care about names. |
You’re ignoring how far AJs stock will be down he loses. Would have lost 3 in 5. He could still sell a crowd but that won’t be a mega fight, US PPV will be low. | | | |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:33 - Aug 19 with 1175 views | hype313 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:31 - Aug 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Working the body is a great point, he completely ignored it in fight one. Robert Garcia fighters have always been effective body punchers so hopefully that is something that he has got in to Aj.
I don't think the Fury fight can ever be written off. personally, purely because of the money it generates and Fury's tendency to retire for 4 months. But it would have to be within the next year or you end up in Khan Brook territory where it just rumbles on forever. That makes it unlikely. |
Apparently, can't recall if it was Gareth Davies or Spencer, but by all accounts it isn't a happy camp between AJ and Garcia. | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:34 - Aug 19 with 1171 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:31 - Aug 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You’re ignoring how far AJs stock will be down he loses. Would have lost 3 in 5. He could still sell a crowd but that won’t be a mega fight, US PPV will be low. |
Do causals care about that though ? I can only speak personally from friend's who dont watch boxing but would all watch that fight.
If Aj vs Wilder isnt a mega fight, then Boxing is in trouble because there aren't many more commercially bigger fights than that. Genuine question because im interested, what would you consider a mega fight in boxing today ? | |
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| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:35 - Aug 19 with 1167 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Boxing fans-AJ vs Usyk on 14:33 - Aug 19 by hype313 |
Apparently, can't recall if it was Gareth Davies or Spencer, but by all accounts it isn't a happy camp between AJ and Garcia. |
He looks to have lost his fire and passion to me but who knows.
I’m looking forward to it and I get it as part of my subscription which is an added bonus. The DAZN PPV is dead model didn’t last too long | | | |
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