| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? 21:54 - Sep 29 with 1124 views | NthQldITFC |
If the Tories do implode either at the next GE or before, what do those 'in the know' more than I (almost everybody) think is likely to crawl out of the corpse, or spring up from the foul post-mortem spillings of the body?
Presumably there'll be some hard right mob (after all that's all the rage all over the world), but will the left wing try to form some kind of New Labourish party, threatening Labour and the Lib Dems. Or do a lot of that wing become Lib Dems or Labour? Do many of them become truly conservative, i.e. Green?
Do any of the scenarios make a presumptive Labour government under Starmer more or less likely to accept the PR preference of his assembly?
Or is my initial premise complete ballocks, and the old beast will just reform itself and come back with its greedy paws and filthy ideas in a few years time? [Post edited 29 Sep 2022 21:55]
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| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 21:58 - Sep 29 with 1096 views | BlueBadger |
Like rotten pools the world over, what will rise to the surface will be more scum, I suspect. |  |
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| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 22:05 - Sep 29 with 1045 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The best we can hope for is that after the likely Labour landslide on a record low turn out they introduce PR in their death throes in about 10 years when the know the game is up for them.
In other words.....we are fekked whatever. |  |
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| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 22:14 - Sep 29 with 1013 views | Rocky |
All set up for Johnson's 2nd coming before the next election.
The Fail and the Express will be wetting themselves. |  | | |
| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 22:36 - Sep 29 with 957 views | Lord_Lucan |
| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 22:14 - Sep 29 by Rocky |
All set up for Johnson's 2nd coming before the next election.
The Fail and the Express will be wetting themselves. |
I think you are right, the 2nd coming is absolutely nailed on.
I’d like to see Penny Morndaunt come through and I think Kemi Badenoch will be a player. Ben Wallace is a good guy but I don’t think he wants the hassle. Tim TugenTrilby is a decent chap but he’s hardly making waves.
What’s happened to Rory Stewart? I really liked him but I think it’s completely unsuited to him and he knows it.
Funny old thing politics, when Boris won his landslide it was general thought that Labour were screwed for 10 more years but now they are an almost shoe in. |  |
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| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 22:39 - Sep 29 with 946 views | HARRY10 |
"the old beast will just reform itself and come back with its greedy paws and filthy ideas in a few years time? "
yep, that's about it.
Humanity has an ability to produce what are often little more than sociopaths (look it up). People with an irrational hatred for their fellow man, and anything that smacks of collective responsibility. The BBC, NHS, Teachers, council employees... even the police for some.
So whatever springs up offering to free them from this supposed tyranny over their lives they will support. And to attract that support they then need to be fed with lurid tales, from the Jewish blood sacrifice to hedgehog flavoured cucumbers being banned, as are white schoolchildren banned from eating conkers.
You need only to read Goebbels thoughts on the matter. His mistake in this was in publicising how easy it is possible to manipulate these types
https://www.google.com/search?q=goebbels+words&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj6-p-
So I have no doubt it will be 1997 again. The moderate (?) wing of the party will assert itself in the full knowledge that the swivel eyed have had their chance and scared the crap out of almost everyone.
However, this will last as long as vilifying the poor and attacking collective action is not delivering the society they were led to believe would be theirs. And so will follow the rise of other demagogues, such as Farage/Johnson, who will crawl out all too willing to spout anything that resonates *
twas ever thus, I'm afraid
same sht different arzole, as some might have |  | | |
| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 22:45 - Sep 29 with 935 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 22:36 - Sep 29 by Lord_Lucan |
I think you are right, the 2nd coming is absolutely nailed on.
I’d like to see Penny Morndaunt come through and I think Kemi Badenoch will be a player. Ben Wallace is a good guy but I don’t think he wants the hassle. Tim TugenTrilby is a decent chap but he’s hardly making waves.
What’s happened to Rory Stewart? I really liked him but I think it’s completely unsuited to him and he knows it.
Funny old thing politics, when Boris won his landslide it was general thought that Labour were screwed for 10 more years but now they are an almost shoe in. |
On your last point, was that the general consensus? I thought most people were pretty confident that Johnson would deface the office and leave in disgrace.
Although I take your point about their position of strength. I dunno, it just seemed obvious that he would leave a massive mess behind him which was always likely to lead to a messy power struggle. Easy to say now, I appreciate! | |
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| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 23:31 - Sep 29 with 875 views | HARRY10 |
| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 22:36 - Sep 29 by Lord_Lucan |
I think you are right, the 2nd coming is absolutely nailed on.
I’d like to see Penny Morndaunt come through and I think Kemi Badenoch will be a player. Ben Wallace is a good guy but I don’t think he wants the hassle. Tim TugenTrilby is a decent chap but he’s hardly making waves.
What’s happened to Rory Stewart? I really liked him but I think it’s completely unsuited to him and he knows it.
Funny old thing politics, when Boris won his landslide it was general thought that Labour were screwed for 10 more years but now they are an almost shoe in. |
Badenoch is too far right for will emerge, as the intent will be to present a calm and responsible party. Not have people spouting the swivel eyed stuff.
Her views on the EU and social matters (anti gay) will see her left behind, much as Portillo was after 1997
I expect that the Tory Party after the next election will not want to allow the huge number of fruitcakes to be put up as candidates. With the opposition parties looking progressive and forward looking they will not want to be the party seen as harking back to the days of Mary Whitehouse, and having an isolationist attitude
I expect they will also want to shed the 'wokey cokey' image of a party of paranoid reactionaries.
All too reminiscent of Hercules and his 5th task, I fear | | | |
| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 09:49 - Sep 30 with 651 views | Guthrum |
It would be a change in the electoral system which precipitates the disintegration of the Conservative Party, not the other way around. So long as sticking together appears the only way of getting back into power, they will continue to do so.
Which is also likely why Starmer is not in favour of electoral reform - it would do the same thing to Labour.
However, a significant diminishing of the Tories (as happened between 1997 and 2008) would not necessarily cause them to swing further to the right. Brexit drove that last time, a factor which no longer really applies. It rather depends if the less radical elements ejected from the party in 2019 can find a way back in and take control. Which in turn would need the UKIP entryists and quasi-libertarians at grass-roots level to be overthrown (the people who voted for Liz Truss over common sense). |  |
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| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 09:58 - Sep 30 with 625 views | Guthrum |
| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 22:36 - Sep 29 by Lord_Lucan |
I think you are right, the 2nd coming is absolutely nailed on.
I’d like to see Penny Morndaunt come through and I think Kemi Badenoch will be a player. Ben Wallace is a good guy but I don’t think he wants the hassle. Tim TugenTrilby is a decent chap but he’s hardly making waves.
What’s happened to Rory Stewart? I really liked him but I think it’s completely unsuited to him and he knows it.
Funny old thing politics, when Boris won his landslide it was general thought that Labour were screwed for 10 more years but now they are an almost shoe in. |
I'm not at all convinced a second Johnson run at No 10 would be all that successful. Especially so soon.
Even if the country has already forgotten his antics, they will soon be reminded the first time he's let out in public. Plus there's a lot of negative feeling towards the party itself over everything which has happened in the last decade, from Osborne's Austerity through to Kwarteng's "mini budget". | |
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| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 10:07 - Sep 30 with 609 views | WeWereZombies |
[taps side of nose]
zombies |  |
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| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 10:23 - Sep 30 with 590 views | Mookamoo |
They'll go for Ben Wallace. Straight down the line analytical bundle of Conservatism who has side stepped all the anti-tory press.
The Ukraine conflict will dominate foreign policy for the next decade and there is a lot more to come so he'll be pitched as the one that can keep Britain safe. The Tories need an external threat to frighten people into voting.
He'll probably turn out to be another Michael Howard or IDS and be too wet to win, so they'll eventually end up with another Johnson clown type. |  | | |
| What is likely to rise from the ashes of the Tory Party? on 10:39 - Sep 30 with 563 views | PrrrromotionGiven |
I think it will depend significantly on how Labour do.
If Labour basically govern successfully and are popular, I expect the Tories to shift leftwards, and vice-versa. After all Labour has basically drifted rightwards since 2010, with the exception of Corbyn's era which was a disaster at the 2019 election.
This is why I am not too concerned with Labour not being as lefty as I would like at the moment. Baby steps - they will inch leftwards if the country responds well to initial policies. PR is the big ticket item of course if we are talking about lasting reform, something more or less level with Brexit as a historic change in this country's history. | | | |
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