| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma 08:27 - Oct 5 with 1066 views | WeWereZombies |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63136131
Personally I was hoping Nicola would make an announcement when the King visited Dunfermline and then went on to Holyrood yesterday that he would be Scotland's representative at CoP27... |  |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 08:37 - Oct 5 with 1003 views | NthQldITFC |
Absolutely he should, he must attend. Whilst our idiotic Prime Minister might see it as pressure in favour of environmental protection (where's the Growth and Profit in that?), it wouldn't actually be politically controversial in any sense amongst people of sanity.
If Charles feels he can't push the envelope on this, despite I would think near universal support on this matter from the people of the Commonwealth, then he should send William to implicitly represent him with a remit to be aggressively involved in the discussions. |  |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 08:48 - Oct 5 with 959 views | WeWereZombies |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 08:37 - Oct 5 by NthQldITFC |
Absolutely he should, he must attend. Whilst our idiotic Prime Minister might see it as pressure in favour of environmental protection (where's the Growth and Profit in that?), it wouldn't actually be politically controversial in any sense amongst people of sanity.
If Charles feels he can't push the envelope on this, despite I would think near universal support on this matter from the people of the Commonwealth, then he should send William to implicitly represent him with a remit to be aggressively involved in the discussions. |
'Ms Truss has not said whether she will attend COP27, suggesting that the UK may have neither a head of government nor a head of state in attendance.'
In fairness to Truss it should be remembered that she cannot be sure of being Prime Minister in a month's time.... | |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 08:48 - Oct 5 with 959 views | Steve_M |
Sharma put a lot of work into trying to make last year's climate conference work and he's right here - if we have to have a monarchy then it should so symbolic but important gestures as well as meaningless symbolic ones.
Standard Truss approach of course, to be followed by a U turn. |  |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 08:58 - Oct 5 with 931 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 08:37 - Oct 5 by NthQldITFC |
Absolutely he should, he must attend. Whilst our idiotic Prime Minister might see it as pressure in favour of environmental protection (where's the Growth and Profit in that?), it wouldn't actually be politically controversial in any sense amongst people of sanity.
If Charles feels he can't push the envelope on this, despite I would think near universal support on this matter from the people of the Commonwealth, then he should send William to implicitly represent him with a remit to be aggressively involved in the discussions. |
He attended, and spoke at, the last Cop 26, in Glasgow, and the Late Queen spoke and attended via video conferencing.
As the Late Queen spoke, Truss is politicising something which wasn't previously seen as political when she was Foreign Secretary, and literally responsible for how the UK related to other nations! She has interfered and changed the role of the monarchy.
Canada can ask him to go. Or the Commonwealth as a whole. |  | | |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:09 - Oct 5 with 914 views | bluelagos |
Don't know enough of the proposed attendance to come to a firm view,
If he is to open the event, welcome eveyone and urge them to come together and find solutions, then great. (Which I think it is)
If it is to start talking policies then I have a real problem with that given he is not elected and not an expert. I would likely agree with his views but still wouldn't be happy with his involvement in that scenario.
Think it's more likely to be the former thankfully. |  |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:13 - Oct 5 with 900 views | NthQldITFC |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 08:48 - Oct 5 by WeWereZombies |
'Ms Truss has not said whether she will attend COP27, suggesting that the UK may have neither a head of government nor a head of state in attendance.'
In fairness to Truss it should be remembered that she cannot be sure of being Prime Minister in a month's time.... |
On the one side you've got an unashamed greed-first turd of a politician whose environment secretary is saying that his department is going to be all about economic growth instead of regulation and protection.
On the other hand you've got a fundamentally decent bloke, who has been campaigning for environmental protection since before most of us were born, albeit with a far from environmentally ideal, privileged position, which he has been using to get his message across.
In the context of a situation which more or less everybody of even moderate intelligence now realises is critically important, the first one is trying to reinforce her bankrupt political position, and the second is bending over backwards to not upset tradition.
The King should say, 'Fk you Truss, this is infinitely important than either of our positions, or tradition. I'm going to bend the precedents here and stand up for what is right. I am going to COP27 and I know that the people of Britain and the Commonwealth will be almost universally behind me.' | |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:19 - Oct 5 with 880 views | thebooks |
1) There are no good Conservatives
2) The king should never "step in": where would that stop? Vote or force Truss out. |  | | |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:32 - Oct 5 with 858 views | WeWereZombies |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:13 - Oct 5 by NthQldITFC |
On the one side you've got an unashamed greed-first turd of a politician whose environment secretary is saying that his department is going to be all about economic growth instead of regulation and protection.
On the other hand you've got a fundamentally decent bloke, who has been campaigning for environmental protection since before most of us were born, albeit with a far from environmentally ideal, privileged position, which he has been using to get his message across.
In the context of a situation which more or less everybody of even moderate intelligence now realises is critically important, the first one is trying to reinforce her bankrupt political position, and the second is bending over backwards to not upset tradition.
The King should say, 'Fk you Truss, this is infinitely important than either of our positions, or tradition. I'm going to bend the precedents here and stand up for what is right. I am going to COP27 and I know that the people of Britain and the Commonwealth will be almost universally behind me.' |
The trouble is that I am not sure that all of the people of The United KIngdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (I don't think the Republic of Ireland could accept King Charles as their representative but then again many Irish do not regard themselves as British - and some of them live in Northern Ireland...) and the Commonwealth (again, King Charles in not head of state for many Commonwealth countries, only the realms) are fully behind an improvement of the environment agenda.
A further concern is that a high percentage of media outlets still feel that the evidence for global warming is unconvincing (although that may be because they are funded by plutocrats who stand to gain from exploiting global warming - even as their future prospects suffer) and politicians need those media outlets to garner votes to keep them in power.
So I am in disagreement with Lagos to some extent. Those who would view the stance taken by KIng Charles as political are themselves putting a political agenda on a fundamental question of whether everyone on this planet lives their lives in balance with the environment or out of kilter just to satisfy the demands of a few.
That would make our head of state quite the champion of liberty, egality and fraternity. I am sure Thomas Paine would approve. | |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:37 - Oct 5 with 847 views | WeWereZombies |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:19 - Oct 5 by thebooks |
1) There are no good Conservatives
2) The king should never "step in": where would that stop? Vote or force Truss out. |
1) It could be argued that there are no good people, everyone transgresses at some point or another. And some Conservatives feed their children and are kind to animals...
2) If, for example, the heads of the Armed Forces went to the King and said 'This is a shambles, we need to take over the state for a few months' would you object to KIng Charles 'stepping in' and refusing to sign it off ? | |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:50 - Oct 5 with 822 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Genuine question, has he reinstated the Royal opt out from the Heat Networks Bill?
If not, anything he says is ironically hot air. | | | |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:50 - Oct 5 with 822 views | bluelagos |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:32 - Oct 5 by WeWereZombies |
The trouble is that I am not sure that all of the people of The United KIngdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (I don't think the Republic of Ireland could accept King Charles as their representative but then again many Irish do not regard themselves as British - and some of them live in Northern Ireland...) and the Commonwealth (again, King Charles in not head of state for many Commonwealth countries, only the realms) are fully behind an improvement of the environment agenda.
A further concern is that a high percentage of media outlets still feel that the evidence for global warming is unconvincing (although that may be because they are funded by plutocrats who stand to gain from exploiting global warming - even as their future prospects suffer) and politicians need those media outlets to garner votes to keep them in power.
So I am in disagreement with Lagos to some extent. Those who would view the stance taken by KIng Charles as political are themselves putting a political agenda on a fundamental question of whether everyone on this planet lives their lives in balance with the environment or out of kilter just to satisfy the demands of a few.
That would make our head of state quite the champion of liberty, egality and fraternity. I am sure Thomas Paine would approve. |
Of course there is a solution. An elected head of state (for which Charles would be welcome to stand and might well win) could happily get involved in the knowledge that he was elected by the people to speak for the people :-) | |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:55 - Oct 5 with 817 views | WeWereZombies |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:50 - Oct 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Genuine question, has he reinstated the Royal opt out from the Heat Networks Bill?
If not, anything he says is ironically hot air. |
Now that is a good question, I am going to have to research that one. | |
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| Iain Banks. Sweetcorn. (n/t) on 10:26 - Oct 5 with 771 views | BlueBadger |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 10:53 - Oct 5 with 716 views | Darth_Koont |
He’s better than the vast majority (the rest?) of the Tories.
But I don’t think “net-zero by 2050” is something to be championing. Feels way too inadequate as a promise let alone if we’d even deliver on it.
I think setting our sights on a much quicker timeframe and targets that will remove historical CO2 rather than just limit future emissions need to be in place. “Sub-zero by 2035” may well be too difficult but is what we need to have as an ambition and a real urgency so this isn’t kicked into the long grass. |  |
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| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 11:06 - Oct 5 with 677 views | thebooks |
| New candidate for the one good Conservative - step forward Alok Sharma on 09:37 - Oct 5 by WeWereZombies |
1) It could be argued that there are no good people, everyone transgresses at some point or another. And some Conservatives feed their children and are kind to animals...
2) If, for example, the heads of the Armed Forces went to the King and said 'This is a shambles, we need to take over the state for a few months' would you object to KIng Charles 'stepping in' and refusing to sign it off ? |
1) Capital C: austerity, Brexit and Truss will be responsible for untold suffering. Their horses may well love them too.
2) I don't think a military coup is quite the same thing as Truss refusing to attend a conference (however stupid that decision is).
And I wouldn't want Charles making that decision. We can project our morals on to him as much as we like, but that doesn't mean he'll make the right decision. | | | |
| Iain Banks. Sweetcorn. (n/t) on 15:28 - Oct 5 with 576 views | WeWereZombies |
| Iain Banks. Sweetcorn. (n/t) on 10:26 - Oct 5 by BlueBadger |
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That reference I don't have to research. | |
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