| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? 15:35 - Nov 4 with 1191 views | NthQldITFC |
Is it just too big an issue for people to face up to, and perceived as inevitable?
I really struggle with understanding this, as I'm sure anyone who's familiar with my posts on here will know. I'm sure I'm on a few 'div' lists for being unnecessarily negative.
I would have thought a rational species would be discussing incremental ways to try to save our children's futures every day and encouraging each other not to keep doing selfish and damaging things, but we mostly just seem to focus on sh!t.
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 15:52 - Nov 4 with 1139 views | Darth_Koont |
All of the above. Plus a perception that fighting climate change is too costly and anyway this is all China’s plan blah blah blah.
But I think you put your finger on it when you suggested we’re a rational species. We all have the capacity to be rational but rarely as a group or even a majority. I think most people are happy to park the question and all the rational and evidence-based arguments for why we should be f*#@ing terrified. And when most other people are doing the same then it probably starts feeling like the right thing to do as well. |  |
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 15:58 - Nov 4 with 1116 views | WeWereZombies |
Psychological effect of consumerism, innit ? |  |
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:08 - Nov 4 with 1094 views | StokieBlue |
This is an interesting (and worrying) side-effect of climate change which is not really discussed:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/arctic-spillover-risk
The chance of a horrible virus defrosting from the permafrost is remote but non-zero, however the risk of viruses migrating is absolutely huge. For instance, we could see malaria bearing mosquitos across Europe and thus lots of cases of malaria.
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:18 - Nov 4 with 1076 views | NthQldITFC |
| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:08 - Nov 4 by StokieBlue |
This is an interesting (and worrying) side-effect of climate change which is not really discussed:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/arctic-spillover-risk
The chance of a horrible virus defrosting from the permafrost is remote but non-zero, however the risk of viruses migrating is absolutely huge. For instance, we could see malaria bearing mosquitos across Europe and thus lots of cases of malaria.
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Whilst the outcome of that is relatively trivial, it is probably the sort of 'story' that can get into the consumerism-befuddled brains of the ignorant masses more easily than the ill-perceived and catastrophic effects of "a-nice-few-degrees-warmer-eh-lovely-jubbly". | |
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:19 - Nov 4 with 1071 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
Because people don't want to change the way they live, and big corporations don't want that even more. I share your despair but it's dead in the water. We've had so many chances to make changes, but we all just keep pushing targets down the road and they never go for enough in the first place. The greed of big business is unrelenting and our governments are complicit and too focused on their own short-term gains. Add to that the prevalence of climate change deniers on social media that spread nonsense at an alarming rate. I think it's a lost cause, as painful as that is to say.
A quick scour of the internet the other day told me that Michigan will be one of the best places to live in 2050 to avoid the worst of what is to come. Will obviously have to do some more thorough research, but it seems to me that we are all too individualised to turn things around now, so as sad as it is to say, your best bet is to look after yourself - a principle which I do not gladly embrace. [Post edited 4 Nov 2022 16:21]
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:21 - Nov 4 with 1053 views | StokieBlue |
| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:18 - Nov 4 by NthQldITFC |
Whilst the outcome of that is relatively trivial, it is probably the sort of 'story' that can get into the consumerism-befuddled brains of the ignorant masses more easily than the ill-perceived and catastrophic effects of "a-nice-few-degrees-warmer-eh-lovely-jubbly". |
Well a frozen pathogen might not be trivial, it could be civilisation ending but that is very unlikely.
As you say, something tangible like getting malaria in the UK is more likely to make people stop and look rather than stories on 1C warming which don't sound bad at face value until you dig into the actual repercussions of that warming.
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:31 - Nov 4 with 1030 views | MattinLondon |
Because fundamentally a lot of people are either too selfish to give up stuff, too lazy not to drive or too self-important to even consider public transport. |  | | |
| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:37 - Nov 4 with 1021 views | tonybied |
| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:21 - Nov 4 by StokieBlue |
Well a frozen pathogen might not be trivial, it could be civilisation ending but that is very unlikely.
As you say, something tangible like getting malaria in the UK is more likely to make people stop and look rather than stories on 1C warming which don't sound bad at face value until you dig into the actual repercussions of that warming.
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This planet would be much healthier without the presence of humans. We are fast becoming an unsustainable species and nature always finds a way to equalise if a species becomes too dominant. I suspect some form of extinction event for humans is not to far in the distance and as sad as that sounds it seems inevitable that we are going to 'push the self destruct button' sooner rather than later.
I would be massively surprised if humans are still the dominant species in 200 years unless we massively change our ways in the next decade but 99% of people are running around with their fingers in their ears shouting 'LA LA LA'. [Post edited 4 Nov 2022 16:38]
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:45 - Nov 4 with 976 views | StokieBlue |
| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:37 - Nov 4 by tonybied |
This planet would be much healthier without the presence of humans. We are fast becoming an unsustainable species and nature always finds a way to equalise if a species becomes too dominant. I suspect some form of extinction event for humans is not to far in the distance and as sad as that sounds it seems inevitable that we are going to 'push the self destruct button' sooner rather than later.
I would be massively surprised if humans are still the dominant species in 200 years unless we massively change our ways in the next decade but 99% of people are running around with their fingers in their ears shouting 'LA LA LA'. [Post edited 4 Nov 2022 16:38]
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A planet can't really be healthier though, it's just a planet. I suspect you mean better for non-human life although even then what's bad for one lifeform is usually better for something else so that rises to fill the niche as per natural selection.
Humans will still be the dominant species as nothing else has the ability to work together in such a co-ordinated way to become dominant. Could very well be far, far less of us though and that will be entirely our own fault and a result of our own choices and actions.
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 17:08 - Nov 4 with 935 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The gradual drip drip towards individualism from community leads to an increasing sense of powerlessness.
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 18:15 - Nov 4 with 830 views | J2BLUE |
A lot of people just think it's going to get a bit warmer.
We need the entire world united right now. It's just not going to happen unfortunately. I'm not suggesting we give up but the kind of measures needed will not get anywhere near. |  |
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| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 18:26 - Nov 4 with 820 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Why are most of us not listening on climate change? on 16:45 - Nov 4 by StokieBlue |
A planet can't really be healthier though, it's just a planet. I suspect you mean better for non-human life although even then what's bad for one lifeform is usually better for something else so that rises to fill the niche as per natural selection.
Humans will still be the dominant species as nothing else has the ability to work together in such a co-ordinated way to become dominant. Could very well be far, far less of us though and that will be entirely our own fault and a result of our own choices and actions.
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Not that you'll care as you will be off on your space rocket mining asteroids or some such!   | |
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