| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 12:14 - Dec 11 with 2071 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
In the cold light of day, after the dust has settled and all the air has gone out of the balloon, how would you like England to proceed? Does Gareth Southgate still turn you on, and should he (at least) see out his contract until Euro 2024?
If he still wants it, then I still want him. Semi Final, Final, Quater Final. Not how we wanted the trilogy to end, but still a marked improvement on Roy, Fabio or Sven. Where might we be now had the second penalty burst the net? Fine margins, and regardless of how you saw the game, we made the current world champions look ordinary.
That said, a rebuild is required. Walker, Trippier and Henderson will be 36, while Shaw, Stones, Maguire, Dier, Coady, Grealish, Phillips, Maddison, Sterling, Wilson and Kane will all be 31 and up at the next WC. Even taking the optimistic view that top pros can play at a higher standard for longer these days, it seems unlikely that the majority of those get another go at it.
There are already some pretty strong building blocks in the side with Rice, Bellingham, Saka and Foden all starting last night. Add to that TAA, James, Chilwell, Tomori, White, Guehi, Gallagher, Mount and Rashford that have already been involved. That's without accounting for the emergence of new talent as yet unknown, and the rise of exciting young players like Chalobah, Elliot and Delap who are yet to have their chance.
Do you trust Southgate to handle that transition? I think so, but it will be a fresh challenge for him to phase out a group of players that have been so important for him. What happens with Kane? We know he is adept at bringing others into the game, dropping deep to help the midfield, as well as being lethal in the box. We also know that he has been prone to two or three short spells out with injury per season in the last five or six years. We saw last night that he doesn't have the necessary pace to burst through a world class defence on the counter, despite his many other strengths. Surely he still has a vital role to play, but maybe that role needs to be adapted to help the team moving forward. At the moment there is no clear successor to Kane, so maybe the possible heirs need to be given more of a chance.
No small feat for a manager, and many will question whether Southgate is capable of making that these tough calls (or perhaps even whether such a call is necessary). Then again, who could do that? I have heard people mention Potter and Howe, and though I see their value, I'm not sure they have what it takes, though I am sure they would not be easily prized away from their current clubs.
More than anything, Gareth has made the England shirt weigh significantly less while seemingly meaning more than it has in a long time. Will he want to put himself through the ringer for another cycle? Will he be able to take us one step beyond? I don't know, but the answer to both is that I hope so.
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:19 - Dec 11 with 2013 views | J2BLUE |
Southgate has done well. I am not sure he's ever going to deliver a major trophy though. We have so much attacking threat. I would love to see a manager maximise it.
With that said, it's completely his choice. He's earnt the right to make the call. The other issue is who replaces him? Howe is not going to walk away from Newcastle and i'm someone who wants the English manager to be English which narrows it down to a list of pretty uninspiring candidates.
On balance it's a yes from me. |  |
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:25 - Dec 11 with 1993 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:19 - Dec 11 by J2BLUE |
Southgate has done well. I am not sure he's ever going to deliver a major trophy though. We have so much attacking threat. I would love to see a manager maximise it.
With that said, it's completely his choice. He's earnt the right to make the call. The other issue is who replaces him? Howe is not going to walk away from Newcastle and i'm someone who wants the English manager to be English which narrows it down to a list of pretty uninspiring candidates.
On balance it's a yes from me. |
Your first and last sentences are spot on. Anyone who thinks we would likely find a better international manager is frankly deluded in thinking the players we have are better than they actually are.
That said, I can Southgate deciding not to continue. In that eventuality, it would be interesting who we did go for. Eddie Howe possibly. |  |
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:33 - Dec 11 with 1967 views | bournemouthblue |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:25 - Dec 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Your first and last sentences are spot on. Anyone who thinks we would likely find a better international manager is frankly deluded in thinking the players we have are better than they actually are.
That said, I can Southgate deciding not to continue. In that eventuality, it would be interesting who we did go for. Eddie Howe possibly. |
Howe isn't leaving Newcastle given the way they are progressing
Potter hasn't exactly torn it up at Chelsea, so we could quite easily go the international route again, who knows?
The problem for Southgate is it will need to be a rebuild now, given a good phase of his players won't make another world cup
Are we likely to promote within, are any of the younger coaches in the setup promising? |  |
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:36 - Dec 11 with 1962 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:33 - Dec 11 by bournemouthblue |
Howe isn't leaving Newcastle given the way they are progressing
Potter hasn't exactly torn it up at Chelsea, so we could quite easily go the international route again, who knows?
The problem for Southgate is it will need to be a rebuild now, given a good phase of his players won't make another world cup
Are we likely to promote within, are any of the younger coaches in the setup promising? |
I could easily see Howe turning down the England job because he will be on a big whack and heavily backed where he is. However, the England job is a very rare and special opportunity to be offered. It depends how much that would appeal. Money isn't everything ... especially for those who have more money than they can spend! | |
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:40 - Dec 11 with 1952 views | LankHenners |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:19 - Dec 11 by J2BLUE |
Southgate has done well. I am not sure he's ever going to deliver a major trophy though. We have so much attacking threat. I would love to see a manager maximise it.
With that said, it's completely his choice. He's earnt the right to make the call. The other issue is who replaces him? Howe is not going to walk away from Newcastle and i'm someone who wants the English manager to be English which narrows it down to a list of pretty uninspiring candidates.
On balance it's a yes from me. |
I think that's the interesting point - if the FA want an Englishman then realistically the best ones that you'd think would be first choices (Howe, Potter, Cooper) aren't going to leave their current job so is it worth moving on from Southgate to hire someone like Scott Parker? Not really I suppose.
Tuchel and Pochettino are both said to be very keen on it and are world class coaches but I do think the fact that Southgate's English (and has history with England as a player) has worked in his favour in terms of bringing everyone on side and creating a togetherness with the whole country. Potential to be a disconnect if you went for either of those two mentioned, even though on the face of it if a coach of that quality says they want the job you'd be mad in a way to turn them down. |  |
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 13:07 - Dec 11 with 1901 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:19 - Dec 11 by J2BLUE |
Southgate has done well. I am not sure he's ever going to deliver a major trophy though. We have so much attacking threat. I would love to see a manager maximise it.
With that said, it's completely his choice. He's earnt the right to make the call. The other issue is who replaces him? Howe is not going to walk away from Newcastle and i'm someone who wants the English manager to be English which narrows it down to a list of pretty uninspiring candidates.
On balance it's a yes from me. |
I am also of the opinion that we don't make the most of our attacking threat, although that seems to be an unbreakable oath that is taken when accepting the England manager's job. However, I do think Southgate can win trophies. For as flat as I was at full time, that is the most I have enjoyed watching England in a meaningful match for a while. There does seem to have been a lesson learned from the Euro final.
I completely agree with you about the other options and that they really ought to be English. However, notably the Lionesses won the Euros thanks to the management of the Dutch Sarina Wiegman. Slim pickings with English managers, so perhaps it will be more important to see what Southgate can change with regards to his own approach and his backroom staff. If he doesn't want it anymore then I'm really not sure where we go. | |
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 13:15 - Dec 11 with 1870 views | Keno |
Can I just say I don’t as long England don’t try and poach McKenna
We’ve given 2 managers already, surely we have done our bit |  |
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 14:17 - Dec 11 with 1747 views | carlisleaway |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 13:15 - Dec 11 by Keno |
Can I just say I don’t as long England don’t try and poach McKenna
We’ve given 2 managers already, surely we have done our bit |
Think the FA should stay with Southgate, whoever gets the job it is a poison chalice with the pressure of the whole country on you. My biggest problem is where the next Kane is coming from, we are very light up front and it will take a brave man to play 2 up front.
The whole country now seem to play with one man up front……. |  | | |
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 14:50 - Dec 11 with 1684 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Not sure about a rebuild. The Euros are a year and a half away. We have some excellent young full backs / wing backs that happened to be injured this tournament. Outside of Trippier, Henderson and Walker a lot of the squad could still be around for the next two tournaments. Those three mentioned could possibly be there in Germany if they wanted to be. I think one of the main positives of Southgate is keeping a decent squad together that have grown in experience. Pickford, Maguire etc play well in a team but often struggle for this clubs. In short, although it will inevitably look different in USA 2026 I do hope a lot of the lads that lost last night will be very present.
I think Southgate is a great man manager but lacks as a tactician. Hard to criticize too much last night, although at 1-1 there was an argument to be more aggressive from the bench. He also seems petrified of playing Foden more central because of lack of his defensive abilities. I don't think that's an issue with the job Rice does. |  | | |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 14:52 - Dec 11 with 1682 views | ronnyd |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:40 - Dec 11 by LankHenners |
I think that's the interesting point - if the FA want an Englishman then realistically the best ones that you'd think would be first choices (Howe, Potter, Cooper) aren't going to leave their current job so is it worth moving on from Southgate to hire someone like Scott Parker? Not really I suppose.
Tuchel and Pochettino are both said to be very keen on it and are world class coaches but I do think the fact that Southgate's English (and has history with England as a player) has worked in his favour in terms of bringing everyone on side and creating a togetherness with the whole country. Potential to be a disconnect if you went for either of those two mentioned, even though on the face of it if a coach of that quality says they want the job you'd be mad in a way to turn them down. |
Cooper is Welsh, so would you class him as a foreign appointment? | | | |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 15:06 - Dec 11 with 1645 views | LankHenners |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 14:52 - Dec 11 by ronnyd |
Cooper is Welsh, so would you class him as a foreign appointment? |
Ah yes, daft oversight from me! I was thinking of his time coaching the England youth teams where he'll have crossed paths with a few of the current senior team and clearly very familiar to the FA. | |
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 18:20 - Dec 11 with 1344 views | vilanovablue |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:33 - Dec 11 by bournemouthblue |
Howe isn't leaving Newcastle given the way they are progressing
Potter hasn't exactly torn it up at Chelsea, so we could quite easily go the international route again, who knows?
The problem for Southgate is it will need to be a rebuild now, given a good phase of his players won't make another world cup
Are we likely to promote within, are any of the younger coaches in the setup promising? |
Potter's emotional intelligence is what we need if Southgate goes which is critical with this squad. |  | | |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 18:47 - Dec 11 with 1293 views | HalifaxBlue |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 14:50 - Dec 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Not sure about a rebuild. The Euros are a year and a half away. We have some excellent young full backs / wing backs that happened to be injured this tournament. Outside of Trippier, Henderson and Walker a lot of the squad could still be around for the next two tournaments. Those three mentioned could possibly be there in Germany if they wanted to be. I think one of the main positives of Southgate is keeping a decent squad together that have grown in experience. Pickford, Maguire etc play well in a team but often struggle for this clubs. In short, although it will inevitably look different in USA 2026 I do hope a lot of the lads that lost last night will be very present.
I think Southgate is a great man manager but lacks as a tactician. Hard to criticize too much last night, although at 1-1 there was an argument to be more aggressive from the bench. He also seems petrified of playing Foden more central because of lack of his defensive abilities. I don't think that's an issue with the job Rice does. |
Agreed. Now is not the time to rebuild. This squad peaks in '24 and is still likely very good in '26. Obviously not everyone will be there. But it's still very much on the up. |  |
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| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 18:59 - Dec 11 with 1261 views | phillymark |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:33 - Dec 11 by bournemouthblue |
Howe isn't leaving Newcastle given the way they are progressing
Potter hasn't exactly torn it up at Chelsea, so we could quite easily go the international route again, who knows?
The problem for Southgate is it will need to be a rebuild now, given a good phase of his players won't make another world cup
Are we likely to promote within, are any of the younger coaches in the setup promising? |
Jürgen Klopp in two years | | | |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 19:03 - Dec 11 with 1231 views | Churchman |
| Deutschland 24 and North America 26 on 12:25 - Dec 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Your first and last sentences are spot on. Anyone who thinks we would likely find a better international manager is frankly deluded in thinking the players we have are better than they actually are.
That said, I can Southgate deciding not to continue. In that eventuality, it would be interesting who we did go for. Eddie Howe possibly. |
Agree with this.
As it goes, I don’t rate Southgate. However, he’s done some good things and the players seem to want to play for him. He’s experienced in the job and whatever his limitations, he’s the best available. England are looked on as competitive now and we’ve the basis of a decent team. I can’t think of anyone that’d do any better.
We’ve tried the foreign manager route and it’s not worked. If Southgate goes I can see the blazers getting starry eyed over a Lampard, Gerrard or a Rooney, despite them doing little in management terms. A poor idea.
I’d have fired him last night but now my irrational rage has passed, if Southgate wants to stay, I’d stick with him and extend his contract until the next World Cup. |  | | |
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