| The Leaving Thread 10:47 - May 9 with 1717 views | TalkingBlues |
I don't see any players currently loaned out getting a look in for 1st team next season and we will be trying to offload all of them IMO (possibly retain Ndaba?).
From the rest, question is, who's leaving?
I reckon nailed on to leave are:
Coleman
Hayes
Harness
Edwards
Keogh
Aluko
Jackson
KVY
Question marks:
Camara - will he ever be fit?
Hladky - imagine we'll look for another keeper to challenge Walton, prem loan?
Leigh - love him, but not going to get a game, will have to move to play football
Evans - lots of injury issues, probably be second string to new summer signings
Luongo - let's see
Hirst - going to be tricky if Leicester relegated, they'll be auditing players.
Ladapo - no way he's going to do the job for us at Championship level |  |
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| The Leaving Thread on 10:57 - May 9 with 1654 views | CityBlue |
I think Edwards, Jackson will stay
KVY on season loan maybe
Camara, Gas both go
Evans must stay.
Idris on a year long League One loan with Orient? |  |
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| The Leaving Thread on 11:23 - May 9 with 1589 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
In answer to your question about who should be back up to Walton, I can't help but think this would be the perfect opportunity for a Bartosz Bialkowski return. Still lives in the area, not playing in Millwall's first team at present, perfectly adequate replacement at Championship level if anything were to happen to Walton. |  |
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| The Leaving Thread on 12:54 - May 9 with 1472 views | southnorfolkblue |
| The Leaving Thread on 11:23 - May 9 by ThatMuhrenCross |
In answer to your question about who should be back up to Walton, I can't help but think this would be the perfect opportunity for a Bartosz Bialkowski return. Still lives in the area, not playing in Millwall's first team at present, perfectly adequate replacement at Championship level if anything were to happen to Walton. |
Will be expensive to have warming the bench. If Hladky is happy to stay that’s fine by me. There are other areas where money could be better spent imho |  |
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| The Leaving Thread on 13:02 - May 9 with 1452 views | itfcjoe |
| The Leaving Thread on 11:23 - May 9 by ThatMuhrenCross |
In answer to your question about who should be back up to Walton, I can't help but think this would be the perfect opportunity for a Bartosz Bialkowski return. Still lives in the area, not playing in Millwall's first team at present, perfectly adequate replacement at Championship level if anything were to happen to Walton. |
He signed a new deal at Millwall not long ago, and this was after he'd been dropped |  |
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| The Leaving Thread on 13:24 - May 9 with 1359 views | tractorboy1978 |
| The Leaving Thread on 11:23 - May 9 by ThatMuhrenCross |
In answer to your question about who should be back up to Walton, I can't help but think this would be the perfect opportunity for a Bartosz Bialkowski return. Still lives in the area, not playing in Millwall's first team at present, perfectly adequate replacement at Championship level if anything were to happen to Walton. |
Not good enough with his feet for McKenna. | | | |
| The Leaving Thread on 13:25 - May 9 with 1355 views | jayessess |
Think a lot of the decisions you've outlined here are pretty out of character in our current set up.
Loan players
The young players on loan in the EFL - Ndaba, Baggott, El Mizouni - will all get another look when we come back in pre-season. We'll assess how their development is going and decide what to do with them. They're all under contract for several more seasons and we're more likely to try and continue their development. Ndaba's the only one in danger of being offloaded.
The older loan players - Pigott and Harper - are obviously on their way out, but again since they're under contract, they'll probably have to go out on loan again.
Your "nailed on" players
We'll almost certainly allow contracts to expire - KVY, Aluko, Keogh, Penney, Coleman. But there's nothing "nailed on" about us selling Edwards, Jackson or Harness. I doubt we'll have a huge amount of appetite to move on squad players, all of whom McKenna seems to rate (uses Edwards most weeks, signed Harness, signed Jackson to a new contract).
Your question marks
If Camara isn't fit, then we can't move him on. If he is fit then we signed him for a reason and we'll look to have him fulfil it.
Hladky might push for a move and we'll have to replace him. But again, he's probably as good a second choice as we'll find. Why would a Premier League loan us a keeper to sit on our bench?
Leigh's spent the vast majority of his senior football career at places like Morecambe and Bury earning similar wages to us civilians. He'll have known the score before he came to us and will be perfectly happy picking up good money as a squad player.
Evans - genuinely a maybe, although as a squad player who showed a really high level last Autumn, we might be happy enough with him. Only 12 months left on his contract, so might make squad planning sense to have him sit on our bench, then replace him next Summer.
Luongo - seems keen to extend, hopefully shouldn't be too tricky to do.
Hirst - Leicester probably made their decision on him as soon as the Blackburn loan move didn't work out.
Ladapo - had a perfectly decent record in a relegated Rotherham side. He was nothing spectacular but certainly wasn't wildly out of his depth.
Sometimes think there's an excessive enthusiasm for binning off as many players as possible every Summer. But in general since McKenna has come in we've not rushed around desperately chucking out squad players, only to replace them with more squad players. When contracts expired, we replaced. When players that improved our first team became available, we got them and bumped people down the pecking order. [Post edited 9 May 2023 13:36]
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| The Leaving Thread on 13:27 - May 9 with 1328 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| The Leaving Thread on 11:23 - May 9 by ThatMuhrenCross |
In answer to your question about who should be back up to Walton, I can't help but think this would be the perfect opportunity for a Bartosz Bialkowski return. Still lives in the area, not playing in Millwall's first team at present, perfectly adequate replacement at Championship level if anything were to happen to Walton. |
I'd thought that as well. And he's out of contract or not per above, thought he was on transfer market as being out.
He's 36ish now, not sure he'll be expecting to command too much [Post edited 9 May 2023 13:29]
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| The Leaving Thread on 13:56 - May 9 with 1197 views | TalkingBlues |
| The Leaving Thread on 13:25 - May 9 by jayessess |
Think a lot of the decisions you've outlined here are pretty out of character in our current set up.
Loan players
The young players on loan in the EFL - Ndaba, Baggott, El Mizouni - will all get another look when we come back in pre-season. We'll assess how their development is going and decide what to do with them. They're all under contract for several more seasons and we're more likely to try and continue their development. Ndaba's the only one in danger of being offloaded.
The older loan players - Pigott and Harper - are obviously on their way out, but again since they're under contract, they'll probably have to go out on loan again.
Your "nailed on" players
We'll almost certainly allow contracts to expire - KVY, Aluko, Keogh, Penney, Coleman. But there's nothing "nailed on" about us selling Edwards, Jackson or Harness. I doubt we'll have a huge amount of appetite to move on squad players, all of whom McKenna seems to rate (uses Edwards most weeks, signed Harness, signed Jackson to a new contract).
Your question marks
If Camara isn't fit, then we can't move him on. If he is fit then we signed him for a reason and we'll look to have him fulfil it.
Hladky might push for a move and we'll have to replace him. But again, he's probably as good a second choice as we'll find. Why would a Premier League loan us a keeper to sit on our bench?
Leigh's spent the vast majority of his senior football career at places like Morecambe and Bury earning similar wages to us civilians. He'll have known the score before he came to us and will be perfectly happy picking up good money as a squad player.
Evans - genuinely a maybe, although as a squad player who showed a really high level last Autumn, we might be happy enough with him. Only 12 months left on his contract, so might make squad planning sense to have him sit on our bench, then replace him next Summer.
Luongo - seems keen to extend, hopefully shouldn't be too tricky to do.
Hirst - Leicester probably made their decision on him as soon as the Blackburn loan move didn't work out.
Ladapo - had a perfectly decent record in a relegated Rotherham side. He was nothing spectacular but certainly wasn't wildly out of his depth.
Sometimes think there's an excessive enthusiasm for binning off as many players as possible every Summer. But in general since McKenna has come in we've not rushed around desperately chucking out squad players, only to replace them with more squad players. When contracts expired, we replaced. When players that improved our first team became available, we got them and bumped people down the pecking order. [Post edited 9 May 2023 13:36]
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Fair point re Miz, Baggott, at the back of my mind I was specifically thinking about the likes of Harper and Pigott, but Ndaba popped up whilst I was writing, I didn't give much thought to the other guys. El Miz is a tricky one really, I just don't see any way for him to break into the first team, surely Humphreys must be ahead of him for that honour anyway? and I don't see Humph having much/any game time either, if bids come in for El Miz, which it looks like they are going to, I reckon they'll sell him and invest in other players that will make the squad.
Edwards clearly fell out of grace with the gaffer after being given several chances, totally inconsistent, one good performance every 5 games he plays isn't going to cut it with McK and he'd be near the top of my list to leave if any offers came in.
Harness was great for a handful of games when he turned up, but he was playing wider at that time from memory, in his more natural role, the minute he was put in a more central position, his performances fell off a cliff, he just hasn't adapted to our system and his first touch is atrocious, hence I suspect he will be on the way out and most likely be a brilliant winger for another side.
Jackson can barely hold his own in league 1 and was way out of his depth in the Championship during his stint, he's no better now than he was several seasons ago, no end product, if he's kept on I'll be amazed and annoyed in equal measures.
Camara, if unable to get fit, will be "terminated by mutual consent" I have no doubt, hopefully he regains fitness and becomes a valuable player for us, but it's 50/50 at best.
Hladky is 32, half decent, but I'm certain we will want and need more than that in the Championship, you need 2 good stoppers competing with each other weekly.
Leigh I think is a great player in league 1, no idea how he'd get on in the Championship, but he's clearly 2nd choice by a mile, do we upgrade to a more attacking back up to Davis?
Hirst will potentially be frought with communication difficulties if Leicester are relegated, they'll need to go through the whole squad, loads will leave, might get a new manager etc etc, they probably wouldn't be rushed into a decision either way, making our life difficult, unless something is already built in to the loan contract, bu to my knowledge, there isn't.
Ladapo has done OK, nothing more, good at holding the ball up, but isn't fast, can't header the ball and isn't a brilliant finisher, he'll get a handful of goals in Championship, but if you are seeking promotion, you'll be wanting a much higher calibre of forward than that. | |
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| The Leaving Thread on 14:33 - May 9 with 1113 views | jayessess |
| The Leaving Thread on 13:56 - May 9 by TalkingBlues |
Fair point re Miz, Baggott, at the back of my mind I was specifically thinking about the likes of Harper and Pigott, but Ndaba popped up whilst I was writing, I didn't give much thought to the other guys. El Miz is a tricky one really, I just don't see any way for him to break into the first team, surely Humphreys must be ahead of him for that honour anyway? and I don't see Humph having much/any game time either, if bids come in for El Miz, which it looks like they are going to, I reckon they'll sell him and invest in other players that will make the squad.
Edwards clearly fell out of grace with the gaffer after being given several chances, totally inconsistent, one good performance every 5 games he plays isn't going to cut it with McK and he'd be near the top of my list to leave if any offers came in.
Harness was great for a handful of games when he turned up, but he was playing wider at that time from memory, in his more natural role, the minute he was put in a more central position, his performances fell off a cliff, he just hasn't adapted to our system and his first touch is atrocious, hence I suspect he will be on the way out and most likely be a brilliant winger for another side.
Jackson can barely hold his own in league 1 and was way out of his depth in the Championship during his stint, he's no better now than he was several seasons ago, no end product, if he's kept on I'll be amazed and annoyed in equal measures.
Camara, if unable to get fit, will be "terminated by mutual consent" I have no doubt, hopefully he regains fitness and becomes a valuable player for us, but it's 50/50 at best.
Hladky is 32, half decent, but I'm certain we will want and need more than that in the Championship, you need 2 good stoppers competing with each other weekly.
Leigh I think is a great player in league 1, no idea how he'd get on in the Championship, but he's clearly 2nd choice by a mile, do we upgrade to a more attacking back up to Davis?
Hirst will potentially be frought with communication difficulties if Leicester are relegated, they'll need to go through the whole squad, loads will leave, might get a new manager etc etc, they probably wouldn't be rushed into a decision either way, making our life difficult, unless something is already built in to the loan contract, bu to my knowledge, there isn't.
Ladapo has done OK, nothing more, good at holding the ball up, but isn't fast, can't header the ball and isn't a brilliant finisher, he'll get a handful of goals in Championship, but if you are seeking promotion, you'll be wanting a much higher calibre of forward than that. |
I think if you look at the calibre of club tracking El Mizouni (Derby, Watford), that tells you a lot about where people in the game see his ceiling. I think it's unlikely we'd proactively look to move him on when his development is going very well. That might change if he actively looks for a move or selling him facilitates us doing something else we want to do (like buy Cashin from Derby) but otherwise, I can't see it.
Edwards hasn't fallen out of grace with anyone. We turned down a transfer offer for him in January and he appeared in 11 of our last 16 games. McKenna was here when we decided to pay a big fee for Harness, I'm really sceptical that he'll have gone off him that quick. Jackson, agree to disagree on him not developing as a player, but regardless of that people have predicted his imminent departure on multiple occasions, he's still here!
But the broader point here is just that we've shown little appetite to make wholesale changes to upgrade backup players like this (renewing Donacien's contract for instance). As it stands (excluding loanees) we have 24 senior outfield players and 3 goalkeepers at the club. You're proposing that we might consider replacing 13 of them, plus replacing a couple of loanees, which leaves about 12 players not on the chopping block!
Our time and resources to get deals done isn't infinite and spending a whole Summer trying to source a slightly better left back to cover the 430 minutes that Greg Leigh gave us last year is not a good use of that time and resources. For me, we simply aren't going to be looking for that sort of deal. What we'll be doing is identifying players who will improve our starting eleven, filling any gaps that contract expiries have left (centre back basically), assessing which young players have developed enough to move into first team contention and then seeing who's surplus to requirements. More "now we have Rak-Sakyi, Kayden Jackson probably isn't needed" less "Jackson's not good enough, who can we get to replace him". [Post edited 9 May 2023 14:34]
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| The Leaving Thread on 14:37 - May 9 with 1102 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
Hayes will remain. Harness will play second fiddle to Chaplin in that central '10' role. Jackson will play second fiddle to Burns. Keogh could possibly stay on, but I'm not sure. Coleman, Aluko, KVY, Harper, Penney and Pigott will definitely leave. El Mizouni another who may well be cashed in on for profit.
Baggott, Ndaba and Humphreys will stay around during pre season I imagine, but all 3 could end up out on loan (or Ndaba remains as 5th choice CB).
I'd say Kyle Edwards has a 50% chance of staying, it depends how we recruit in that area. I wouldn't be surprised if he is moved on as a direct one in one out move.
Hladky and Leigh are good second fiddle options in their respective positions for the Championship, but both might be open for regular L1 football again.
As for Camara and Evans, Evans has a stronger case to remain whilst Camara will need a very strong pre season to force his way into a matchday squad thinking.
I'd like to see Luongo stay. I'd like to see Hirst and Ladapo stay, albeit, we'd need way more firepower than that to progress in the Championship. |  |
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