| VAR calamity comes to rugby. 20:27 - Sep 9 with 3460 views | Scuzzer |
This is not going to go well for the game. Yet another opinion other than the referee...kills the game. |  |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 20:32 - Sep 9 with 3416 views | pointofblue |
I cnanot see how Curry's foul was a red card but not Carreras'? If anything, his was more dangerous. |  |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 20:36 - Sep 9 with 3408 views | Herbivore |
If the Argentina one isn't a sending off under the current rules then I don't understand the current rules and I'm not sure anyone does. |  |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 20:59 - Sep 9 with 3323 views | Ryorry |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 20:32 - Sep 9 by pointofblue |
I cnanot see how Curry's foul was a red card but not Carreras'? If anything, his was more dangerous. |
Speakingz only as a rank amateur who knows diddly squat about rugby rules, wasn't Curry's directly to head, whereas Carreras' was shoulder then head? |  |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 21:03 - Sep 9 with 3297 views | Herbivore |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 20:59 - Sep 9 by Ryorry |
Speakingz only as a rank amateur who knows diddly squat about rugby rules, wasn't Curry's directly to head, whereas Carreras' was shoulder then head? |
That differs from the explanation the ref in the studio just gave. To be honest, having heard his explanation I'm still none the wiser. | |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 21:10 - Sep 9 with 3246 views | Ryorry |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 21:03 - Sep 9 by Herbivore |
That differs from the explanation the ref in the studio just gave. To be honest, having heard his explanation I'm still none the wiser. |
Curry's was accidntal therefore defo not a red they said. Not sure what they meant re Carreras', except that Sir CW was saying (I think) that any player should leave such balls alone, as they'll always carry a risk of a card. | |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 21:12 - Sep 9 with 3224 views | Ryorry |
On a different note, what was that famous quote about if players get enough drop kicks in a game, they're liable to win?! Was trotted out on R5l this a.m. | |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 22:51 - Sep 9 with 2992 views | WicklowBlue |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 21:10 - Sep 9 by Ryorry |
Curry's was accidntal therefore defo not a red they said. Not sure what they meant re Carreras', except that Sir CW was saying (I think) that any player should leave such balls alone, as they'll always carry a risk of a card. |
Accidental doesn't matter. The tackler has a duty of care to bend their hips and tackle low. The opposition player was in the air and had just got his feet on the ground. Curry went in upright hence the head collision and upgrade to red. Similar to Farrells which caused consternation globally when it was initially deemed not a red.
World Rugby have been super clear on the tackle rules for all countries. You have to bend, tackle below the shoulder and attempt to wrap your arms. Players must be protected, head on head contact is a no no. |  | | |
| N/T (n/t) on 23:01 - Sep 9 with 2947 views | BasingstokeBlue |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 23:35 - Sep 9 with 2866 views | Stewart27 |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 22:51 - Sep 9 by WicklowBlue |
Accidental doesn't matter. The tackler has a duty of care to bend their hips and tackle low. The opposition player was in the air and had just got his feet on the ground. Curry went in upright hence the head collision and upgrade to red. Similar to Farrells which caused consternation globally when it was initially deemed not a red.
World Rugby have been super clear on the tackle rules for all countries. You have to bend, tackle below the shoulder and attempt to wrap your arms. Players must be protected, head on head contact is a no no. |
Thanks for the explanation.
England were magnificent tonight. | | | |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 00:04 - Sep 10 with 2830 views | jacobnikons |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 20:32 - Sep 9 by pointofblue |
I cnanot see how Curry's foul was a red card but not Carreras'? If anything, his was more dangerous. |
then took 8 minute to decide to turn a yellow into a red. Rugby's laws are so open to to interpretation and inconsistent. I love how the faceless off field ref was hiding in a bunker. Fantastic performance from England who have been rubbish of late, well done! |  | | |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 08:54 - Sep 10 with 2500 views | Guthrum |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 20:32 - Sep 9 by pointofblue |
I cnanot see how Curry's foul was a red card but not Carreras'? If anything, his was more dangerous. |
Curry's was head-to-head contact, which always increases the severity nowadays. He did try to wrap his arms, but didn't go low enough (tho if he had, may have been done for taking the man out in the air). Head positioning was wrong. Whether it was accidental is irrelevant, there is a duty of care. All round very clumsy, I thought at the time he was fortunate to even get away with the chance of yellow instead of straight red.
Carreras made contact more with hip on shoulder than direct head-to-head, thus a lower level of severity. |  |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:03 - Sep 10 with 2467 views | Guthrum |
I disagree. The player is in the Sin Bin for ten minutes anyway, so it doesn't interrupt the game having an official take a closer look at a marginal decision for eight of those. Prevents the game being unbalanced by a borderline red card issued without sufficient deliberation.
Plus it is a recommendation which comes back from the yellow/red card review process (same as the TV Official), so the on-field Ref is still making the ultimate decision. But can concentrate on the game in the meantime. | |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:11 - Sep 10 with 2440 views | Guthrum |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 23:35 - Sep 9 by Stewart27 |
Thanks for the explanation.
England were magnificent tonight. |
They really were.
I think the on-the-hop tactical innovation (putting over as many drop-goals as possible, knowing they would struggle to break through the Argentine defence for tries) completely wrong-footed the opposition. The South Americans suddenly found themselves a lot of points behind and didn't really know what to do in the face of England's own tough defending. Severely rattled, their handling went to pot, giving away even more points in penalties. | |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:16 - Sep 10 with 2408 views | Keno |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 00:04 - Sep 10 by jacobnikons |
then took 8 minute to decide to turn a yellow into a red. Rugby's laws are so open to to interpretation and inconsistent. I love how the faceless off field ref was hiding in a bunker. Fantastic performance from England who have been rubbish of late, well done! |
so when you say "I love how the faceless off field ref was hiding in a bunker" you mean the vastly experienced and highly regarded Marius Jonker?
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:17 - Sep 10 with 2392 views | Keno |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:11 - Sep 10 by Guthrum |
They really were.
I think the on-the-hop tactical innovation (putting over as many drop-goals as possible, knowing they would struggle to break through the Argentine defence for tries) completely wrong-footed the opposition. The South Americans suddenly found themselves a lot of points behind and didn't really know what to do in the face of England's own tough defending. Severely rattled, their handling went to pot, giving away even more points in penalties. |
I also think the banning of Owen Farrell played a huge part in that England victory | |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:27 - Sep 10 with 2369 views | Guthrum |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:17 - Sep 10 by Keno |
I also think the banning of Owen Farrell played a huge part in that England victory |
Because otherwise we'd soon have been down to 13 men? 
Ford is perhaps not the greatest tackler or flair player, but he is a machine kicking at the posts. | |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:30 - Sep 10 with 2355 views | Keno |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:27 - Sep 10 by Guthrum |
Because otherwise we'd soon have been down to 13 men?
Ford is perhaps not the greatest tackler or flair player, but he is a machine kicking at the posts. |
Ford may not be a tackler but he knows how to tackle and I think is better at marshalling the tea around him | |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 19:44 - Sep 10 with 2074 views | Radlett_blue |
The one good thing is that if a ref gives a yellow, the player is then in the sin bin for 10 minutes, during which time the TV officials decide if it should have been a red so more likely in theory to reach the right decision with no adverse impact on the game. |  |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:49 - Sep 11 with 1895 views | Ryorry |
| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 09:30 - Sep 10 by Keno |
Ford may not be a tackler but he knows how to tackle and I think is better at marshalling the tea around him |
Good to see men levelling up with their multi-tasking sisters ☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️ | |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 10:28 - Sep 11 with 1855 views | _clive_baker_ |
The issue with VAR / TMO for me is it's very existence means the referee becomes so reliant on it. It feels like every decision is referred 'upstairs' and it slows the game down an awful lot. I'm of course in favour of any rule changes that are designed to protect player welfare, rugby can be incredibly dangerous, but I think the 2 things are mutually exclusive.
Tighten up the laws for sure, but beyond that a part of me does miss the days of leaving the implementation of those laws to an on field referee. I like the 'challenge' based approach of tennis and wonder if that might be better with each side getting a couple per half or something. [Post edited 11 Sep 2023 10:31]
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 11:27 - Sep 11 with 1787 views | pointofblue |
As with football, the most annoying thing is the inconsistency. There were three very similar challenges across three different games - one was red carded, one was yellow carded and the other had no punishment whatsoever. Seemingly the refs are clueless as to the rule and correct punishment. | |
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| VAR calamity comes to rugby. on 13:03 - Sep 11 with 1705 views | Grandpa |
Let's have a think about this, it's a tournament hosted by France & Argentina open v England
It's pretty obvious that there's been money changing hands for England to be punished with a red, but Argentina, for a challenge that wasn't too far shy of Schumacher on Battiston in Spain '82, to only be a yellow [Post edited 11 Sep 2023 13:06]
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