| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 18:31 - Oct 23 with 3702 views | positivity |
in case anyone doesn't read it or understand the irony klaxon:-
"But we shouldn’t give up [on climate action] because even if this particular impact is unavoidable, it is only one impact of climate change" |  |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 19:25 - Oct 23 with 3620 views | NthQldITFC |
It's getting to the point where I just laugh hysterically when I think about humanity's collective non-response to the end of it all*. As a species, we're going to get what we deserve*.
* We can still make a bit of a difference on behalf of our children if we just effin wake up and face it. We cannot live as we are now. No question. |  |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 19:33 - Oct 23 with 3604 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 19:25 - Oct 23 by NthQldITFC |
It's getting to the point where I just laugh hysterically when I think about humanity's collective non-response to the end of it all*. As a species, we're going to get what we deserve*.
* We can still make a bit of a difference on behalf of our children if we just effin wake up and face it. We cannot live as we are now. No question. |
It's all just a bit too big isn't it. People seem to think they have too much to lose but life could be so much better. Modern life really is rubbish. |  |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 19:50 - Oct 23 with 3575 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 19:25 - Oct 23 by NthQldITFC |
It's getting to the point where I just laugh hysterically when I think about humanity's collective non-response to the end of it all*. As a species, we're going to get what we deserve*.
* We can still make a bit of a difference on behalf of our children if we just effin wake up and face it. We cannot live as we are now. No question. |
It simply has to be achieved through legislation, we can't continue to skirt around the issue. We need to face into the harsh realities, and understand that the fixes will impact how many live their lives. Sacrifices need to be made.
What's scary is the size of the task at hand. I think I read that sustainable levels of CO2 emissions globally need to be about 40% lower than where we're at today. That's effectively the deficit. During H1 of 2020 (strict lockdowns during the Covid pandemic) they dropped about 6%. Like the world effectively locked down and we 'only' saw a 6% reduction. Highlights how stark the changes will need to be, but change we must.
I don't think there's a silver bullet, it can only be achieved through speeding up the transition to clean energy and improving energy efficiency, more sustainable land use and agriculture, more sustainable urban planning, reforestation and potentially things like carbon capture initiatives. As well as taxing the sh1t out of industries that go against these and high polluting non essentials, to dampen demand and fund reinvestment in such areas.
Ultimately it can only be achieved through a collaborate global effort that's set out in law and legislation. Fully costed, quantifiable and measurable. We can't leave it to people to wash out their yogurt pots and think it's going to make the blind bit of difference. It's not a future problem anymore, it's a now problem. |  | | |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:04 - Oct 23 with 3551 views | Wicksy |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 19:50 - Oct 23 by _clive_baker_ |
It simply has to be achieved through legislation, we can't continue to skirt around the issue. We need to face into the harsh realities, and understand that the fixes will impact how many live their lives. Sacrifices need to be made.
What's scary is the size of the task at hand. I think I read that sustainable levels of CO2 emissions globally need to be about 40% lower than where we're at today. That's effectively the deficit. During H1 of 2020 (strict lockdowns during the Covid pandemic) they dropped about 6%. Like the world effectively locked down and we 'only' saw a 6% reduction. Highlights how stark the changes will need to be, but change we must.
I don't think there's a silver bullet, it can only be achieved through speeding up the transition to clean energy and improving energy efficiency, more sustainable land use and agriculture, more sustainable urban planning, reforestation and potentially things like carbon capture initiatives. As well as taxing the sh1t out of industries that go against these and high polluting non essentials, to dampen demand and fund reinvestment in such areas.
Ultimately it can only be achieved through a collaborate global effort that's set out in law and legislation. Fully costed, quantifiable and measurable. We can't leave it to people to wash out their yogurt pots and think it's going to make the blind bit of difference. It's not a future problem anymore, it's a now problem. |
Yes, collaborative global effort is essential - but it's difficult to be optimistic.
Heard a couple of statistics on Radio 4 - so they must be true!
1. Despite being 5th(?) largest global economy, UK emissions are less than 1% of global total.
2. In the last 8 years China has emitted more carbon than Britain/UK has since 1795.
We obviously need to do what we can but it does feel pretty futile.
Depressing. |  |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:07 - Oct 23 with 3546 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 18:31 - Oct 23 by positivity |
in case anyone doesn't read it or understand the irony klaxon:-
"But we shouldn’t give up [on climate action] because even if this particular impact is unavoidable, it is only one impact of climate change" |
Having to resort to an irony klaxon is a matter of profound sadness to me Positivity but I've been driven to it! | |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:13 - Oct 23 with 3533 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:04 - Oct 23 by Wicksy |
Yes, collaborative global effort is essential - but it's difficult to be optimistic.
Heard a couple of statistics on Radio 4 - so they must be true!
1. Despite being 5th(?) largest global economy, UK emissions are less than 1% of global total.
2. In the last 8 years China has emitted more carbon than Britain/UK has since 1795.
We obviously need to do what we can but it does feel pretty futile.
Depressing. |
I'm not defending China by any means, they can clearly do a whole lot more and invest in more sustainably practices, but it's not a fair direct comparison when the UK is a service based economy and China is the supermarket to the world. China produces and exports so many things that we use day to day, the environmental cost of which 'hits' their numbers rather than ours. If consumers in Europe stop switching phones every year then they'll stop making them. | | | |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:14 - Oct 23 with 3526 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 19:25 - Oct 23 by NthQldITFC |
It's getting to the point where I just laugh hysterically when I think about humanity's collective non-response to the end of it all*. As a species, we're going to get what we deserve*.
* We can still make a bit of a difference on behalf of our children if we just effin wake up and face it. We cannot live as we are now. No question. |
We’re too selfish, greedy and stupid as a collective to do anything meaningful about it. That’s the sad truth (probably) of the matter. |  |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:58 - Oct 23 with 3447 views | NthQldITFC |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:04 - Oct 23 by Wicksy |
Yes, collaborative global effort is essential - but it's difficult to be optimistic.
Heard a couple of statistics on Radio 4 - so they must be true!
1. Despite being 5th(?) largest global economy, UK emissions are less than 1% of global total.
2. In the last 8 years China has emitted more carbon than Britain/UK has since 1795.
We obviously need to do what we can but it does feel pretty futile.
Depressing. |
Countries don't matter right now.
What it comes down to is that individuals need to wake up and see that their children are going to be living in a sh!thole of interlocked collapsing systems pretty bloody soon. That's scary, that's horrible to have to face, but that very much seems to be the reality.
Once an individual has realised that, they can decide that they don't need to consume vast amounts of resources because they're used to it and everybody around them is doing it. They can throttle right back for the sake of their kids.
Then their neighbours might see what they're doing and ask why. And then they might think it's worth doing the same and all of a sudden you've got more and more clumps of voters who the idiot politicians just have to take notice of.
After that, anything positive can start to happen in policy terms, and we all start having an honest if scary discussion about how we can actually work together to ameliorate the situation and stop pushing away the knowledge to the backs of our minds where it still scares us even if we pretend it doesn't.
Whole western democracies swinging towards a survival-oriented way of life can then affect 'but China' by taking away the demand for sh!te.
The good news is we can communicate and move quickly these days. if we just get brave enough to face the reality and try. I think that starts with the individual, mainly. | |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 21:14 - Oct 23 with 3419 views | WeWereZombies |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:58 - Oct 23 by NthQldITFC |
Countries don't matter right now.
What it comes down to is that individuals need to wake up and see that their children are going to be living in a sh!thole of interlocked collapsing systems pretty bloody soon. That's scary, that's horrible to have to face, but that very much seems to be the reality.
Once an individual has realised that, they can decide that they don't need to consume vast amounts of resources because they're used to it and everybody around them is doing it. They can throttle right back for the sake of their kids.
Then their neighbours might see what they're doing and ask why. And then they might think it's worth doing the same and all of a sudden you've got more and more clumps of voters who the idiot politicians just have to take notice of.
After that, anything positive can start to happen in policy terms, and we all start having an honest if scary discussion about how we can actually work together to ameliorate the situation and stop pushing away the knowledge to the backs of our minds where it still scares us even if we pretend it doesn't.
Whole western democracies swinging towards a survival-oriented way of life can then affect 'but China' by taking away the demand for sh!te.
The good news is we can communicate and move quickly these days. if we just get brave enough to face the reality and try. I think that starts with the individual, mainly. |
I've just started reading George Monbiot's 'Regenesis' and there is a useful analogy at the start of the second chapter. Getting to the stage of a couple of degrees of global heating is much easier than then scaling back by a couple of degrees in the same way that pushing a boulder off the top of a hill is much easier than then pushing that boulder back to the top of the hill. The technical term for this predicament is 'hysteresis'.
'One result of collapse is that a system can flip into an entirely new, stable state. Because this new state, in many cases, has its own self-reinforcing properties, which stabilize and secure it, a flipped system can be difficult, sometimes impossible, to flip back. In general, far more energy is needed to reverse the flip than was needed to cause it.' Page 29, Regenesis, George Monbiot, Allen Lane, 2022 [Post edited 23 Oct 2023 21:15]
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 21:26 - Oct 23 with 3391 views | Daninthecampo |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 19:50 - Oct 23 by _clive_baker_ |
It simply has to be achieved through legislation, we can't continue to skirt around the issue. We need to face into the harsh realities, and understand that the fixes will impact how many live their lives. Sacrifices need to be made.
What's scary is the size of the task at hand. I think I read that sustainable levels of CO2 emissions globally need to be about 40% lower than where we're at today. That's effectively the deficit. During H1 of 2020 (strict lockdowns during the Covid pandemic) they dropped about 6%. Like the world effectively locked down and we 'only' saw a 6% reduction. Highlights how stark the changes will need to be, but change we must.
I don't think there's a silver bullet, it can only be achieved through speeding up the transition to clean energy and improving energy efficiency, more sustainable land use and agriculture, more sustainable urban planning, reforestation and potentially things like carbon capture initiatives. As well as taxing the sh1t out of industries that go against these and high polluting non essentials, to dampen demand and fund reinvestment in such areas.
Ultimately it can only be achieved through a collaborate global effort that's set out in law and legislation. Fully costed, quantifiable and measurable. We can't leave it to people to wash out their yogurt pots and think it's going to make the blind bit of difference. It's not a future problem anymore, it's a now problem. |
That 40% and 6% stat is very scary!
I haven't lived in the UK for 6 years so I don't really know whats going on but apart from more Hybrid and electric cars is the government or population doing anything different/ noticeable to try and solve this in the last 6 years? I'm assuming not
Spain is working really hard on renewable energy/electric but there are still so many other areas where nothing is being addressed! | | | |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 21:45 - Oct 23 with 3363 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Everyone is still buying cheap tat from China on Amazon. Transatlantic flights are now back to pre-pandemic levels. Uk air passengers numbers are almost back to pre Covid levels , and will likely continue to grow beyond that.
I’m not seeing much evidence people are materially changing their lifestyles. “I can still do my 2 ski trips and long haul holiday a year, I’ll just get a Tesla and I can feel less guilty”
I think people are going to need more stick than carrot to change the way they live… | | | |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 21:48 - Oct 23 with 3352 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 21:45 - Oct 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Everyone is still buying cheap tat from China on Amazon. Transatlantic flights are now back to pre-pandemic levels. Uk air passengers numbers are almost back to pre Covid levels , and will likely continue to grow beyond that.
I’m not seeing much evidence people are materially changing their lifestyles. “I can still do my 2 ski trips and long haul holiday a year, I’ll just get a Tesla and I can feel less guilty”
I think people are going to need more stick than carrot to change the way they live… |
And then every weekend we collectively pump millions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere to watch some millionaires kick a ball of wind about. We’re stuffed. | |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 21:50 - Oct 23 with 3347 views | WeWereZombies |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 21:26 - Oct 23 by Daninthecampo |
That 40% and 6% stat is very scary!
I haven't lived in the UK for 6 years so I don't really know whats going on but apart from more Hybrid and electric cars is the government or population doing anything different/ noticeable to try and solve this in the last 6 years? I'm assuming not
Spain is working really hard on renewable energy/electric but there are still so many other areas where nothing is being addressed! |
Wind power is scaling up to a fair degree here, hydro ticking along much the same as ever, solar lagging behind a bit I would say. The game changer would be tidal but I understand that there are major problems with tethering the turbines in the Pentland Firth. Unfortunately there is also ongoing investment in the bogus biomass energy sector too.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac | |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 22:01 - Oct 23 with 3326 views | CoachRob |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:58 - Oct 23 by NthQldITFC |
Countries don't matter right now.
What it comes down to is that individuals need to wake up and see that their children are going to be living in a sh!thole of interlocked collapsing systems pretty bloody soon. That's scary, that's horrible to have to face, but that very much seems to be the reality.
Once an individual has realised that, they can decide that they don't need to consume vast amounts of resources because they're used to it and everybody around them is doing it. They can throttle right back for the sake of their kids.
Then their neighbours might see what they're doing and ask why. And then they might think it's worth doing the same and all of a sudden you've got more and more clumps of voters who the idiot politicians just have to take notice of.
After that, anything positive can start to happen in policy terms, and we all start having an honest if scary discussion about how we can actually work together to ameliorate the situation and stop pushing away the knowledge to the backs of our minds where it still scares us even if we pretend it doesn't.
Whole western democracies swinging towards a survival-oriented way of life can then affect 'but China' by taking away the demand for sh!te.
The good news is we can communicate and move quickly these days. if we just get brave enough to face the reality and try. I think that starts with the individual, mainly. |
International, national, corporation, community, individual - there is inertia at all scales. Why did you pick individuals?
The idea that people will rise up or markets will align to people''s expectations is a fools errand. I think it shows the idiocy of left and right political thinking. Physics doesn't care about any of this, just the mass of oxidised carbon in the atmosphere which dictates the scientifically evidenced hard limits in the Earth system. We are past Hansen's guardrail, we are approaching the 1.5C guardrail and will sail past Schellnhuber's 2C by mid-century.
Katharine Hayhoe did some research on climate change opinions and found worldwide ~70% of people were worried about climate change, however, less than 30% feel it will affect them. Those guardrails will be long gone before people "wake up". We have non-scientists claiming ridiculous nonsense such as collapse is nearing - we have the resources and the adaptation skills to get us to 2C which is 20-30 years. The system will double in that time. This is a systemic issue not an individual one, and without change across scales we are doomed to fail. |  | | |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 08:37 - Oct 24 with 3186 views | NthQldITFC |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 22:01 - Oct 23 by CoachRob |
International, national, corporation, community, individual - there is inertia at all scales. Why did you pick individuals?
The idea that people will rise up or markets will align to people''s expectations is a fools errand. I think it shows the idiocy of left and right political thinking. Physics doesn't care about any of this, just the mass of oxidised carbon in the atmosphere which dictates the scientifically evidenced hard limits in the Earth system. We are past Hansen's guardrail, we are approaching the 1.5C guardrail and will sail past Schellnhuber's 2C by mid-century.
Katharine Hayhoe did some research on climate change opinions and found worldwide ~70% of people were worried about climate change, however, less than 30% feel it will affect them. Those guardrails will be long gone before people "wake up". We have non-scientists claiming ridiculous nonsense such as collapse is nearing - we have the resources and the adaptation skills to get us to 2C which is 20-30 years. The system will double in that time. This is a systemic issue not an individual one, and without change across scales we are doomed to fail. |
I think that all of those other entities are kicked into action by the motive force of individuals, I suppose, and I believe that most humans now are either consciously or subconsciously aware enough that a personal awakening or perhaps a personal decision to actually face the reality is the trigger. Of course we need the actual action really driven and organised and enforced at all of the levels of human organisation that you list, but I think it's the individual facing their fears that is the trigger that we need right now.
That's where I'm positive in that communication across the whole of humanity can be virtually instantaneous now, and I think such a fundamental, visceral issue could spread a willingness to change and to force change to a majority of global humanity, particularly given the 70% figure you quote and I think it could happen really quickly like a social media meme. I believe it could overwhelm political ideology where democracy exists and even dramatically reshape global economics. I do think it's possible even if it sounds far-fetched, because I think that humanity's survival instinct will kick in, has to kick in. We're still individual tribes in competition though, which might be the toughest change of all.
I don't believe in a softly-softly approach with individuals and that's why I talk in terms of the collapse of interlinked systems, because it seems blindingly obvious to me that it is happening now with the signals of SST, melt and AMOC weakness, localised, regional and global temperature records tumbling and the inevitable impact on weather systems and food production let alone wildlife and the bits of it we exploit. Individuals need to feel the fear and come to the decision to act, and realise that the current levels of bullsh!t posturing whilst carrying on with souped up consumerism spells doom.
I think the conscience and consciousness of the networked individual en masse is the quick fire trigger that forces those ever bigger and ever slower moving organisations into action. The speed of movement when it's a top down approach (UN IPCC driven) is glacial. (Traditional glacial, that is!) | |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 09:00 - Oct 24 with 3154 views | WeWereZombies |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 08:37 - Oct 24 by NthQldITFC |
I think that all of those other entities are kicked into action by the motive force of individuals, I suppose, and I believe that most humans now are either consciously or subconsciously aware enough that a personal awakening or perhaps a personal decision to actually face the reality is the trigger. Of course we need the actual action really driven and organised and enforced at all of the levels of human organisation that you list, but I think it's the individual facing their fears that is the trigger that we need right now.
That's where I'm positive in that communication across the whole of humanity can be virtually instantaneous now, and I think such a fundamental, visceral issue could spread a willingness to change and to force change to a majority of global humanity, particularly given the 70% figure you quote and I think it could happen really quickly like a social media meme. I believe it could overwhelm political ideology where democracy exists and even dramatically reshape global economics. I do think it's possible even if it sounds far-fetched, because I think that humanity's survival instinct will kick in, has to kick in. We're still individual tribes in competition though, which might be the toughest change of all.
I don't believe in a softly-softly approach with individuals and that's why I talk in terms of the collapse of interlinked systems, because it seems blindingly obvious to me that it is happening now with the signals of SST, melt and AMOC weakness, localised, regional and global temperature records tumbling and the inevitable impact on weather systems and food production let alone wildlife and the bits of it we exploit. Individuals need to feel the fear and come to the decision to act, and realise that the current levels of bullsh!t posturing whilst carrying on with souped up consumerism spells doom.
I think the conscience and consciousness of the networked individual en masse is the quick fire trigger that forces those ever bigger and ever slower moving organisations into action. The speed of movement when it's a top down approach (UN IPCC driven) is glacial. (Traditional glacial, that is!) |
I share your opinion that the response to global heating and the changes in climate that it produces will be on an individual or networked individual level for the most part, but am not optimistic that this will be carried out in a logical and orderly way.
As you, in my opinion correctly, identify there is an urgent need to throw off consumerism but I guess this is as much driven by dire economic necessity as it is by conscience. Furthermore, triggers for self preservation will override external appeals and often cause individuals to act not in the best interests of the race but for themselves regardless of the best outcome, no doubt further reducing their possibilities for self preservation in the longer term.
The problem with waiting for UN or IPCC action is that this relies on a consensus from governments, who are not always of perhaps ever, a full reflection of their nations. And who have a strong bias towards their national interests, that's when officers within the administration are not heavily influenced by multinational corporations. | |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 09:00 - Oct 24 with 3145 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:14 - Oct 23 by Swansea_Blue |
We’re too selfish, greedy and stupid as a collective to do anything meaningful about it. That’s the sad truth (probably) of the matter. |
Sadly, this is far closer to the truth than is comfortable. And it’s a wider problem that isn’t just confined to the area of combating climate change. You could apply it to almost any other pressing issue or injustice at home or in the wider world.
I will defend people in general by saying that I think we are better than that but we too often choose to believe the self-serving stories we tell ourselves and that’s what makes our collective inaction “selfish, greedy and stupid”.
But we’re certainly not innocent. There’s no excuse for ignoring our own role (China isn’t to blame instead), burying our heads and voting in governments who will repeat the bedtime stories and delay any significant response. |  |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 09:07 - Oct 24 with 3145 views | NthQldITFC |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 09:00 - Oct 24 by WeWereZombies |
I share your opinion that the response to global heating and the changes in climate that it produces will be on an individual or networked individual level for the most part, but am not optimistic that this will be carried out in a logical and orderly way.
As you, in my opinion correctly, identify there is an urgent need to throw off consumerism but I guess this is as much driven by dire economic necessity as it is by conscience. Furthermore, triggers for self preservation will override external appeals and often cause individuals to act not in the best interests of the race but for themselves regardless of the best outcome, no doubt further reducing their possibilities for self preservation in the longer term.
The problem with waiting for UN or IPCC action is that this relies on a consensus from governments, who are not always of perhaps ever, a full reflection of their nations. And who have a strong bias towards their national interests, that's when officers within the administration are not heavily influenced by multinational corporations. |
'Furthermore, triggers for self preservation will override external appeals and often cause individuals to act not in the best interests of the race but for themselves regardless of the best outcome, no doubt further reducing their possibilities for self preservation in the longer term.'
I think that's all true, but it's also true that most parents would self-sacrifice to a large extent for their children and grand-children, and we seem to be at the point now where those are the generations which are going to bear the brunt if we don't radically change our impact. | |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 09:16 - Oct 24 with 3124 views | Dubtractor |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 20:14 - Oct 23 by Swansea_Blue |
We’re too selfish, greedy and stupid as a collective to do anything meaningful about it. That’s the sad truth (probably) of the matter. |
This. So much this.
I've almost stopped caring tbh. I'll do my bit, and my carbon footprint is pretty small (no kids, small car between me and partner, use public transport where i can, probably fly once every 5 years), but I've almost ceased getting too worked up by the global challenge because what you say is spot on.
We are doomed, and hardly anyone seems to care, not least the governments who actually have the power to do something about it. |  |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 09:22 - Oct 24 with 3114 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 09:16 - Oct 24 by Dubtractor |
This. So much this.
I've almost stopped caring tbh. I'll do my bit, and my carbon footprint is pretty small (no kids, small car between me and partner, use public transport where i can, probably fly once every 5 years), but I've almost ceased getting too worked up by the global challenge because what you say is spot on.
We are doomed, and hardly anyone seems to care, not least the governments who actually have the power to do something about it. |
Happy Tuesday Dubbers. You just described me circa 1990'something btw. | |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 10:03 - Oct 24 with 3084 views | Daninthecampo |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 09:22 - Oct 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Happy Tuesday Dubbers. You just described me circa 1990'something btw. |
I've been thinking alot about this post since yesterday,
Due to the life my wife and I have chosen in the mountains, no kids, we only drive about 8k miles a year, its warm so whilst we use some AC in the summer we use hardly any heating in the winter, we don't buy much as no one will deliver it to our house! so our footprint is fairly low in comparison to alot of people.
So im really interested in what simple things can I and the general public do to help the problem?
Telling people to stop driving so much is fine if there are viable alternatives( which alot of times there isnt) realistically people won't turn the heating down if they're too cold
So what can we do? | | | |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 11:02 - Oct 24 with 3023 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 10:03 - Oct 24 by Daninthecampo |
I've been thinking alot about this post since yesterday,
Due to the life my wife and I have chosen in the mountains, no kids, we only drive about 8k miles a year, its warm so whilst we use some AC in the summer we use hardly any heating in the winter, we don't buy much as no one will deliver it to our house! so our footprint is fairly low in comparison to alot of people.
So im really interested in what simple things can I and the general public do to help the problem?
Telling people to stop driving so much is fine if there are viable alternatives( which alot of times there isnt) realistically people won't turn the heating down if they're too cold
So what can we do? |
You could consider reducing your usage of thr internet.
https://post.parliament.uk/research-briefings/post-pn-0677/ |  |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 11:12 - Oct 24 with 3011 views | positivity |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 10:03 - Oct 24 by Daninthecampo |
I've been thinking alot about this post since yesterday,
Due to the life my wife and I have chosen in the mountains, no kids, we only drive about 8k miles a year, its warm so whilst we use some AC in the summer we use hardly any heating in the winter, we don't buy much as no one will deliver it to our house! so our footprint is fairly low in comparison to alot of people.
So im really interested in what simple things can I and the general public do to help the problem?
Telling people to stop driving so much is fine if there are viable alternatives( which alot of times there isnt) realistically people won't turn the heating down if they're too cold
So what can we do? |
there are personal things we can do (insulate/diet/transport etc), but most of these are best done at governmental/council levels to have more impact.
that leaves us with protest/campaigning/voting/supporting charities & lobby groups | |
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| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 12:51 - Oct 24 with 2906 views | WeWereZombies |
| Oh well, might as well carry on as we are then. on 10:03 - Oct 24 by Daninthecampo |
I've been thinking alot about this post since yesterday,
Due to the life my wife and I have chosen in the mountains, no kids, we only drive about 8k miles a year, its warm so whilst we use some AC in the summer we use hardly any heating in the winter, we don't buy much as no one will deliver it to our house! so our footprint is fairly low in comparison to alot of people.
So im really interested in what simple things can I and the general public do to help the problem?
Telling people to stop driving so much is fine if there are viable alternatives( which alot of times there isnt) realistically people won't turn the heating down if they're too cold
So what can we do? |
I don't think you have to do very much, it sounds like you both have your lives pretty much balanced in terms of what you take from nature and what you warrant to live your lives. In Doughnut Economics terms it sounds like you are well ahead of the pack. Wish I could get there but I also live near mountains, use no air conditioning but Scotland means I combine low level oil central heating, some use of a wood burner (own kindling and logs so I don't have the heating on when I am in the garden chopping and gathering) and small usage of an electric oil filled radiator. All heating off at the moment and the sun is out so I should really be in the garden.
I do need to cut out the long haul flights but I love travel too much and whilst I am out there I am learning, doing my weird psycho geography and not using any heating at home or driving. Still manage eleven to twelve thousand miles a year but then again I live twenty miles from the nearest supermarket. | |
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