| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation 10:18 - Nov 23 with 3705 views | Vic |
My builder quoted to "supply and fit" underfloor heating as part of an extension and kitchen refurb.
Work is now done but we find that wiring to the pump has not been done and he says it's for the electrical contractor to do not him.
Does this sound right? Am I wrong in assuming that 'supply and fit' meant leaving us with a system that is ready to use? [Post edited 23 Nov 2023 10:34]
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| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 11:39 - Nov 23 with 3540 views | Meadowlark |
Sounds dodgy to me.
We had a similar job done a few years back, and the UFH wasn't working properly for a while. The builder kept blaming the plumber and the electrician, but they were subcontracted to him. Fortunately, we had kept back a large final payment, which we did not release until everything was working to our satisfaction. |  | | |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 11:47 - Nov 23 with 3509 views | Zx1988 |
Unless there's an agreed-upon definition there, I would suggest it depends on how the man in the street would interpret 'supply and fit'.
I'd certainly expect that to cover the entirety of the job. |  |
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| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 12:37 - Nov 23 with 3449 views | matteoblue |
That's not right, he's tried to pull a fast one and not told you he's unable to do part of the job. If you tell him he won't be paid in full until he organises an electrician then he'll soon get his skates on. |  |
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| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 12:57 - Nov 23 with 3392 views | Vic |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 11:39 - Nov 23 by Meadowlark |
Sounds dodgy to me.
We had a similar job done a few years back, and the UFH wasn't working properly for a while. The builder kept blaming the plumber and the electrician, but they were subcontracted to him. Fortunately, we had kept back a large final payment, which we did not release until everything was working to our satisfaction. |
We've still got a chunk of final bill to pay which i don;t feel inclined to pay until it's sorted. Where do we stand on getting the work all signed off, inc UFH commissioned if we hold some money's back because presumably he won't commission it. And someone one else isn't going to commission his work - I assume?
Just to add, I've no axe to grind with the builder but it does feel to me like he's trying to get away with this one! | |
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| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 13:12 - Nov 23 with 3359 views | nodge_blue |
when I had mine done, my builder priced in the cost of the plumber to do the pipes and pump installation and an electrician to wire that in. So it seems a bit disingenuous to say it's fitted without the system functioning and I suspect a small claims court would find in your favour. What a pain in the bum though. |  |
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| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 13:28 - Nov 23 with 3313 views | Edmundo |
Definitely hold back payment till it's done. I assume your other kitchen appliances are all working? Then why is UFH any different? As an aside, make sure youvget the system flushed regularly if, like me, you're in a hard water area. Will last decades with proper care. |  |
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| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 20:07 - Nov 23 with 3118 views | Rob88 |
If your builder quotes for supply and fit of underfloor heating and you have paid him on those terms then your contract is with the builder and he needs to sort it out. He won’t do the work himself (he will need an electrician) but that will have been priced for and the builder needs to organise and get it done.
If you haven’t made all of your payments yet I would suggest you hold back the quoted amount until he has rectified.
I am dealing with builders at the moment as we are converting part of our garage and it has not been plain sailing and we haven’t instructed a builder yet.
Just read some of the posts above. I would expect an electrician to have to sign off the work and building control may (or may not) want a look from an insulation perspective to ensure the required U-value (thermal transmittance value) has been achieved, which a quick google search suggests the required value is affected by the method of heating.
To understand the impact around regs I would contact the architect, assuming you’ve used once.
There must be some bods in the trades or construction far more in the know. The above is only based on my own conversations with architects and builders recently. [Post edited 23 Nov 2023 20:16]
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| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 21:37 - Nov 23 with 3026 views | Nomore4 |
If a feed is in place then 2 minutes to connect up.
If no feed in place then electrician is needed.
Many contractors such as Air Conditioning would quote supply and fit.
But this wouldn’t include a supply feed. | | | |
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| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 22:12 - Nov 23 with 2979 views | Leaky |
Look at your quote see who is responsible for the UFH installation. Could be if your UFH installation is being done by an installer is not contracted by your builder he is not responsible. |  | | |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 10:03 - Nov 24 with 2791 views | Rob88 |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 22:12 - Nov 23 by Leaky |
Look at your quote see who is responsible for the UFH installation. Could be if your UFH installation is being done by an installer is not contracted by your builder he is not responsible. |
If you are a plumber your username is genius. | | | |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 10:23 - Nov 24 with 2751 views | Leaky |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 10:03 - Nov 24 by Rob88 |
If you are a plumber your username is genius. |
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| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 10:55 - Nov 24 with 2713 views | Meadowlark |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 21:37 - Nov 23 by Nomore4 |
If a feed is in place then 2 minutes to connect up.
If no feed in place then electrician is needed.
Many contractors such as Air Conditioning would quote supply and fit.
But this wouldn’t include a supply feed. |
Define "feed" | | | |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 13:02 - Nov 24 with 2624 views | Nomore4 |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 10:55 - Nov 24 by Meadowlark |
Define "feed" |
You connect into a feed….such as a spur | | | |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 13:27 - Nov 24 with 2594 views | Nomore4 |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 10:55 - Nov 24 by Meadowlark |
Define "feed" |
But my overall guess to the op situation is.
There is no spur or socket near the pump.
The installer would have then put a 13 amp plug onto the cable from the pump.
Plugged that into an extension lead, which would enable the commissioning of the system.
So it would require the house holder to install what’s required close by the pump.
The installer therefore has supplied and fitted the system. | | | |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 13:37 - Nov 24 with 2565 views | Meadowlark |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 13:27 - Nov 24 by Nomore4 |
But my overall guess to the op situation is.
There is no spur or socket near the pump.
The installer would have then put a 13 amp plug onto the cable from the pump.
Plugged that into an extension lead, which would enable the commissioning of the system.
So it would require the house holder to install what’s required close by the pump.
The installer therefore has supplied and fitted the system. |
But your implication is that all that is required for the UFH to work is for a pump to be connected and switched on. What about the programming, the connection of the thermostats to the system, the timing controls etc? Are there different zones? Actuators? motorised valves? Are these all in place?? | | | |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 13:40 - Nov 24 with 2555 views | textbackup |
He’d need a Part P accreditation (electrical) to sign it off for building regs.
Also, ideally, you’d want a plumber to pressure test the UFH system prior to screeding over the top of it, I’m assuming an actual plumber did carry out the UFH works?
Local to Ipswich? Can give you the name of bloke who done mine, took about 30mins (the electrical work that is) [Post edited 24 Nov 2023 13:42]
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| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 21:11 - Nov 24 with 2400 views | Nomore4 |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 13:37 - Nov 24 by Meadowlark |
But your implication is that all that is required for the UFH to work is for a pump to be connected and switched on. What about the programming, the connection of the thermostats to the system, the timing controls etc? Are there different zones? Actuators? motorised valves? Are these all in place?? |
That would all be done on commission. | | | |
| Advice needed re underfloor heating installation on 18:18 - Nov 28 with 1976 views | Vic |
Thanks for all the advice lads, much appreciated.
I think we’re sorted; I had a friendly conversation with the builder and he explained why the wiring wasn’t done when the system was out in. He had a point, but I think he’s in the wrong! Thankfully the electrical contractors I used have been very helpful and a solution has been found that means no one will be too out of pocket.
Note to self - don’t assume anything next time I have building work done! | |
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