| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this 00:07 - May 26 with 1862 views | BondiBlue |
(myself included) is not to treat what the nationals say as gospel. We've had years of only the EADT being interested in ipswich town, and we've learned that we can believe everything they say. We have the KOA pod telling us all about their methods. In the space of a couple of weeks all the nationals have got interested and it is becoming apparent that although we are hard-wired to trust them, their journalistic standards are not as high. The next thing we'll have to get used to is the likes of the sun lurching from "ipswich are great" to "ipswich are an embarrassment to the league" on a weekly basis. Then it will be "ipswich star spotted ignoring fans at signing session - is he looking for a move?"
The quicker we get used to it, the better. If this all fizzles out to nothing and mckenna is still here in august, it will be a great lesson in how not to believe everything you read. |  |
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| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 09:57 - May 26 with 1485 views | glasso |
What is it that the nationals have said that you think isn't true?
From what I've seen:
- KM is on the shortlist of a number of clubs including United, Chelsea and Brighton
- KM's representatives have been talking to them
- KM is tempted by the move
- Ipswich are doing all we can to keep him, including a new offer on the table or ready to be put on the table
- Ipswich's owners have flown over to discuss/deal with the situation.
Even if KM ends up staying, I don't think any of those points above are untrue? People seem to confuse all the guff on Twitter and boards like this, with what's actually being said in the press. | | | |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:04 - May 26 with 1452 views | Pique |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 09:57 - May 26 by glasso |
What is it that the nationals have said that you think isn't true?
From what I've seen:
- KM is on the shortlist of a number of clubs including United, Chelsea and Brighton
- KM's representatives have been talking to them
- KM is tempted by the move
- Ipswich are doing all we can to keep him, including a new offer on the table or ready to be put on the table
- Ipswich's owners have flown over to discuss/deal with the situation.
Even if KM ends up staying, I don't think any of those points above are untrue? People seem to confuse all the guff on Twitter and boards like this, with what's actually being said in the press. |
None of those things are untrue (probably), but a number of nationals have gone much further, particularly in reporting that McKenna is effectively committed to leaving come what may - and that was the BBC, whose journalistic standards aren't as great as they'd have you believe.
I think that was the OP's point - EADT and TWTD are balanced and generally cautious until stories are confirmed, whereas the nationals, even the more 'respectable' ones, tend to blurt out any old def info/agent boosterim as fact. [Post edited 26 May 2024 10:06]
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| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:08 - May 26 with 1413 views | SouperJim |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 09:57 - May 26 by glasso |
What is it that the nationals have said that you think isn't true?
From what I've seen:
- KM is on the shortlist of a number of clubs including United, Chelsea and Brighton
- KM's representatives have been talking to them
- KM is tempted by the move
- Ipswich are doing all we can to keep him, including a new offer on the table or ready to be put on the table
- Ipswich's owners have flown over to discuss/deal with the situation.
Even if KM ends up staying, I don't think any of those points above are untrue? People seem to confuse all the guff on Twitter and boards like this, with what's actually being said in the press. |
The BBC literally reported that they could see into the future (McKenna to turn down new contract before one had even been offered). |  |
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| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:08 - May 26 with 1406 views | lazyblue |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:04 - May 26 by Pique |
None of those things are untrue (probably), but a number of nationals have gone much further, particularly in reporting that McKenna is effectively committed to leaving come what may - and that was the BBC, whose journalistic standards aren't as great as they'd have you believe.
I think that was the OP's point - EADT and TWTD are balanced and generally cautious until stories are confirmed, whereas the nationals, even the more 'respectable' ones, tend to blurt out any old def info/agent boosterim as fact. [Post edited 26 May 2024 10:06]
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Nationals are not far wrong ( if at all wrong)on this occasion .. | | | |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:18 - May 26 with 1351 views | Churchman |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:08 - May 26 by lazyblue |
Nationals are not far wrong ( if at all wrong)on this occasion .. |
We don’t know that. I’ve said before - I’ve worked on stuff that’s high media profile. 85% of what is reported is rubbish.
Yes, they’ll report what they’re told. They’ll dig out stuff, they’ll act on snippets, interpret and extrapolate according to what looks most newsworthy. If they have nothing, they’ll make it up. |  | | |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:19 - May 26 with 1337 views | glasso |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:04 - May 26 by Pique |
None of those things are untrue (probably), but a number of nationals have gone much further, particularly in reporting that McKenna is effectively committed to leaving come what may - and that was the BBC, whose journalistic standards aren't as great as they'd have you believe.
I think that was the OP's point - EADT and TWTD are balanced and generally cautious until stories are confirmed, whereas the nationals, even the more 'respectable' ones, tend to blurt out any old def info/agent boosterim as fact. [Post edited 26 May 2024 10:06]
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TWTD and EADT are definitely cautious and I read their excellent piece on that the other day, but as they kind of alluded to in that, they're also being cautious because of their links to the club (not that they'd been told NOT to or anything, but that they don't want to fan the flames because it affects the club and fans), which is admirable, but also shows an unconscious bias on their part, too.
They have a link to the local community that no national has - with us, or any football club. It's great that they take it seriously and want to protect that.
It's pretty telling that KM, his agent or the club haven't come out to say that it's all nonsense. I think that tells you a lot. If KM was committed and there was no way he was leaving, they'd have done that.
Not saying he IS leaving, by the way, but if it was done and dusted and he's 100% sticking around, they'd have made a statement.
Journalistic standards is a funny one, because if an agent's phoning you up to give you information about his client, who else are you going to double check that with? KM is obviously keeping schtum (as I'd advise him to, if I were his agent) and the 'leaks' are coming from somewhere else.
I'd say that his agent is the second best source for information if you can't get it from KM himself.
It's frustrating for us fans, but I don't think we need to look too far from KM to see where it's coming from. | | | |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:21 - May 26 with 1323 views | glasso |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:18 - May 26 by Churchman |
We don’t know that. I’ve said before - I’ve worked on stuff that’s high media profile. 85% of what is reported is rubbish.
Yes, they’ll report what they’re told. They’ll dig out stuff, they’ll act on snippets, interpret and extrapolate according to what looks most newsworthy. If they have nothing, they’ll make it up. |
Genuinely curious here (because I used to/loosely still do work in the media), but what did you work on that led you to believe that 85% of what is reported is rubbish? | | | |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:27 - May 26 with 1287 views | stonojnr |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 09:57 - May 26 by glasso |
What is it that the nationals have said that you think isn't true?
From what I've seen:
- KM is on the shortlist of a number of clubs including United, Chelsea and Brighton
- KM's representatives have been talking to them
- KM is tempted by the move
- Ipswich are doing all we can to keep him, including a new offer on the table or ready to be put on the table
- Ipswich's owners have flown over to discuss/deal with the situation.
Even if KM ends up staying, I don't think any of those points above are untrue? People seem to confuse all the guff on Twitter and boards like this, with what's actually being said in the press. |
I think the last two points are more speculative on the reasons, no one close to the club has confirmed them.
But you're right all the nationals have printed is absolutely true.
Where everyone seems to go mad about is then believing that because the press say he is no 1 target for these clubs it automatically comes to pass he will become their manager.
And then you get stuck in a loop where everyone is reinforcing that view
People keep quoting bookies odds as if that's relevant or some sign, when it just highlights where people reading the same stories and making the same leaps of logic put their bets | | | |
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| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:34 - May 26 with 1260 views | glasso |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:27 - May 26 by stonojnr |
I think the last two points are more speculative on the reasons, no one close to the club has confirmed them.
But you're right all the nationals have printed is absolutely true.
Where everyone seems to go mad about is then believing that because the press say he is no 1 target for these clubs it automatically comes to pass he will become their manager.
And then you get stuck in a loop where everyone is reinforcing that view
People keep quoting bookies odds as if that's relevant or some sign, when it just highlights where people reading the same stories and making the same leaps of logic put their bets |
I'd tend to agree, although again we don't know where this has come from.
For all we know, the club has said to the agent, "Hold fire with any decisions, because we'll be putting together a new contract for him" and the agent has gone straight to the press with that news in the hope it'll hurry the other clubs along or encourage them to up their bids.
We seem to think that just because the club hasn't put out a statement to the fans, that there's absolutely no way the information being fed to the press is true.
Again, I'm not saying it is! Just that from the outside, this constant narrative that everything is a lie because we haven't heard it from Ashton, is really naive. | | | |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 11:05 - May 26 with 1165 views | BondiBlue |
| Maybe the lesson we all need to learn from this on 10:19 - May 26 by glasso |
TWTD and EADT are definitely cautious and I read their excellent piece on that the other day, but as they kind of alluded to in that, they're also being cautious because of their links to the club (not that they'd been told NOT to or anything, but that they don't want to fan the flames because it affects the club and fans), which is admirable, but also shows an unconscious bias on their part, too.
They have a link to the local community that no national has - with us, or any football club. It's great that they take it seriously and want to protect that.
It's pretty telling that KM, his agent or the club haven't come out to say that it's all nonsense. I think that tells you a lot. If KM was committed and there was no way he was leaving, they'd have done that.
Not saying he IS leaving, by the way, but if it was done and dusted and he's 100% sticking around, they'd have made a statement.
Journalistic standards is a funny one, because if an agent's phoning you up to give you information about his client, who else are you going to double check that with? KM is obviously keeping schtum (as I'd advise him to, if I were his agent) and the 'leaks' are coming from somewhere else.
I'd say that his agent is the second best source for information if you can't get it from KM himself.
It's frustrating for us fans, but I don't think we need to look too far from KM to see where it's coming from. |
In terms of the agent being a good source. Yes he has knowledge but he also has a massive agenda and therefore his information is untrustworthy. Journalists must know this and if they choose to print anyway they are basically creating clickbait. | |
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