| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:25 - Jul 5 with 3119 views | GeoffSentence |
In the face of that I wonder how they will face off calls for proper electoral reform |  |
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| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:29 - Jul 5 with 3087 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:25 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
In the face of that I wonder how they will face off calls for proper electoral reform |
By, putting their fingers in their ears and sticking their tongues out! |  |
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| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:31 - Jul 5 with 3072 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
So Corbyn inspired more people to vote against him than Sunak has! |  |
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| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:33 - Jul 5 with 3051 views | GeoffSentence |
| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:29 - Jul 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
By, putting their fingers in their ears and sticking their tongues out! |
Maybe not, they know they won't benefit from a tories out vote next time, and with a big majority based on a small vote share, they could well face large losses next time, regardless of how they perform.
Long term it is definitely in their own interest. | |
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| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:35 - Jul 5 with 3024 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:33 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
Maybe not, they know they won't benefit from a tories out vote next time, and with a big majority based on a small vote share, they could well face large losses next time, regardless of how they perform.
Long term it is definitely in their own interest. |
There is support for electoral reform from across the political divide. It appears to be increasing too.
Unfortunately, it is always short-term not appealing to the individuals with most power. Let's hope this government has a little more pragmatism and awareness. | |
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| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:49 - Jul 5 with 2948 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:25 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
In the face of that I wonder how they will face off calls for proper electoral reform |
With a stocking majority they can do what the heck they want. And it won’t be reform of our voting system. |  |
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| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 08:04 - Jul 5 with 2876 views | DJR |
John Curtice said this will be the lowest percentage a winning party has ever received, and in percentage terms the Labour vote is only 1.7% per centage points (0.6% in England) higher than 2019 but with around 200 extra seats.
Compass (of which I am a member), the leftwing group committed to pluralism, has said tonight’s election results show the first past the post voting system is not fit for purpose. Compass spokesperson Neal Lawson said:
"What we are seeing is a European multi-party politics emerging in the straitjacket of a two-party system.
There are clearly complex forces at work: Labour is set to win a huge majority but two shadow cabinet ministers have already lost their seats. Jeremy Corbyn has pulled off an unlikely victory and the scale of the win in Bristol Central just underlines the volatility of an increasingly complex electorate.
But our first past the post electoral system is incapable of accommodating such a nuanced reality and is clearly buckling under the pressure of the underlying multi-party reality.
Lawson also said the early results pointed to a Gallagher index score (a measure of disproportionality) of around 23, which he said suggested “this election could be the most disproportionate we have ever seen."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallagher_index
As it is I feel disenfranchised for two reasons
first, there is no party which properly represents my views,
second, in my constituency my vote counted for nothing.
No wonder the turnout is likely to be the second lowest ever. [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 8:29]
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| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 08:06 - Jul 5 with 2844 views | DJR |
| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:49 - Jul 5 by GlasgowBlue |
With a stocking majority they can do what the heck they want. And it won’t be reform of our voting system. |
Sadly, that is true. | | | |
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| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 08:09 - Jul 5 with 2799 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 07:49 - Jul 5 by GlasgowBlue |
With a stocking majority they can do what the heck they want. And it won’t be reform of our voting system. |
If they look at the detail it should be but you are correct. | |
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| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 08:11 - Jul 5 with 2776 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 34.2% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 08:04 - Jul 5 by DJR |
John Curtice said this will be the lowest percentage a winning party has ever received, and in percentage terms the Labour vote is only 1.7% per centage points (0.6% in England) higher than 2019 but with around 200 extra seats.
Compass (of which I am a member), the leftwing group committed to pluralism, has said tonight’s election results show the first past the post voting system is not fit for purpose. Compass spokesperson Neal Lawson said:
"What we are seeing is a European multi-party politics emerging in the straitjacket of a two-party system.
There are clearly complex forces at work: Labour is set to win a huge majority but two shadow cabinet ministers have already lost their seats. Jeremy Corbyn has pulled off an unlikely victory and the scale of the win in Bristol Central just underlines the volatility of an increasingly complex electorate.
But our first past the post electoral system is incapable of accommodating such a nuanced reality and is clearly buckling under the pressure of the underlying multi-party reality.
Lawson also said the early results pointed to a Gallagher index score (a measure of disproportionality) of around 23, which he said suggested “this election could be the most disproportionate we have ever seen."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallagher_index
As it is I feel disenfranchised for two reasons
first, there is no party which properly represents my views,
second, in my constituency my vote counted for nothing.
No wonder the turnout is likely to be the second lowest ever. [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 8:29]
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Imagine just how low it would have been without the Farage/Reform affect. | |
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| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 08:32 - Jul 5 with 2683 views | DJR |
John Curtice just saying it was partygate and Truss which were the cause of the election result, with the polls not changing since then and no evidence of enthusiasm for Labour. | | | |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:16 - Jul 6 with 2344 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Good of Robert Peston to point out that 80% of the electorate didn't vote Labour to Starmer. Decent answer but 80%, that is quite something. | |
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| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:24 - Jul 6 with 2291 views | J2BLUE |
Turnout down because it was a foregone conclusion.
Any chance of you giving Starmer a chance now? [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 14:27]
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| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:27 - Jul 6 with 2249 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
He won vast swathes of seats back including the red wall. The fact that Corbyn polled more votes is due to a number of factors-
- People turned out in great numbers in 2019 to vote against two divisive populists. Desperately voting to keep out whoever they saw as the worst.
- many people who didn’t vote purely because it was a forgone conclusion.
- The most important context is that Starmer greatly widened Labours appeal since purging the Momentum types. Corbyn simply attracted more voters in areas he was already popular (like London). Starmer picked up votes all over the country, |  | | |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:31 - Jul 6 with 2227 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:16 - Jul 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Good of Robert Peston to point out that 80% of the electorate didn't vote Labour to Starmer. Decent answer but 80%, that is quite something. |
Did he also point out that 86% didn't vote for the second-highest supported party too?
The mandate is that Labour got over a third of those who voted and Conservatives received well under a quarter.
The fact that Starmer has publically acknowledged the need to represent all who voted for any party and those who didn't at all should be refreshing. Previously there has been an open expectation that representation is very much about chasing popular support rather than serving the populace. | |
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| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:35 - Jul 6 with 2190 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:31 - Jul 6 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Did he also point out that 86% didn't vote for the second-highest supported party too?
The mandate is that Labour got over a third of those who voted and Conservatives received well under a quarter.
The fact that Starmer has publically acknowledged the need to represent all who voted for any party and those who didn't at all should be refreshing. Previously there has been an open expectation that representation is very much about chasing popular support rather than serving the populace. |
I think it is important to acknowledge these facts and push for a more representative democracy.
As I said, he answered well. | |
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| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:37 - Jul 6 with 2175 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:35 - Jul 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think it is important to acknowledge these facts and push for a more representative democracy.
As I said, he answered well. |
What did he say? I presume it didn't give any hint that he would reform the voting system but rather spoke more about integrity and encouraging people to engage with politics? | |
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| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:43 - Jul 6 with 2125 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:37 - Jul 6 by Nthsuffolkblue |
What did he say? I presume it didn't give any hint that he would reform the voting system but rather spoke more about integrity and encouraging people to engage with politics? |
No just the usual serving all the people regardless of who they voted for line. | |
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| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:51 - Jul 6 with 2091 views | Pinewoodblue |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:35 - Jul 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think it is important to acknowledge these facts and push for a more representative democracy.
As I said, he answered well. |
Starmer needs two terms to make a lasting impression. To simply please those who supported him this time around would not be sufficient to win a second term. |  |
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| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 14:11 - Jul 6 with 2020 views | brazil1982 |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:35 - Jul 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think it is important to acknowledge these facts and push for a more representative democracy.
As I said, he answered well. |
Lots of labour supporters on here calling for that in 2019.... |  | | |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 14:27 - Jul 6 with 1961 views | Pinewoodblue |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 14:11 - Jul 6 by brazil1982 |
Lots of labour supporters on here calling for that in 2019.... |
https://www.omfif.org/2024/07/keir-starmer-put-country-first-then-reform-elector
Scroll down to electoral reform review for what seems a good solution. Would add that it could also reduce the need to award life peerages to those outside HoC so they can be Ministers. | |
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| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 18:54 - Jul 7 with 1730 views | Pagan_Blue |
I may be wrong, but I don't recall all this uproar when Cameron was elected
with 36.9% in 2015, a result which led directly to Brexit. | | | |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 21:22 - Jul 7 with 1585 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 33.8% and less votes than Corbyn managed even in 2019... on 13:24 - Jul 6 by J2BLUE |
Turnout down because it was a foregone conclusion.
Any chance of you giving Starmer a chance now? [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 14:27]
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Highly unlikely I reckon |  |
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