| Enzo Fernandez on 16:52 - Jul 30 with 2898 views | Vaughan8 |
If it was a nobody, he'd probab;y be sacked.
As hes a £100m asset (somehow!), its all ok  |  | |  |
| Enzo Fernandez on 16:55 - Jul 30 with 2859 views | Zx1988 |
And, with the payment being made via the Chelsea Foundation and matched by the club, a handy little tax write-off for the club. | |
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| Enzo Fernandez on 10:20 - Jul 31 with 2075 views | Europablue |
What punishment do you want?
Do you know what the problem with foreign players is? They don't entire understand our cultural norms. Young people also make mistakes. Footballers often aren't that bright.
If I was in charge I'd assign him to an anti-racism outreach programme. | | | |
| Enzo Fernandez on 17:14 - Jul 31 with 1878 views | urbanpenguin |
| Enzo Fernandez on 10:20 - Jul 31 by Europablue |
What punishment do you want?
Do you know what the problem with foreign players is? They don't entire understand our cultural norms. Young people also make mistakes. Footballers often aren't that bright.
If I was in charge I'd assign him to an anti-racism outreach programme. |
Not being racist isn't a "cultural norm". It's not being racist, and it's quite easy to not be racist. |  | | |
| Enzo Fernandez on 22:28 - Jul 31 with 1711 views | ITFCson |
I would have thought a donation to a charity is better than no donation to a charity. Good on him for making it and good on Chelsea for matching it. | | | |
| Enzo Fernandez on 00:41 - Aug 1 with 1641 views | eireblue |
| Enzo Fernandez on 10:20 - Jul 31 by Europablue |
What punishment do you want?
Do you know what the problem with foreign players is? They don't entire understand our cultural norms. Young people also make mistakes. Footballers often aren't that bright.
If I was in charge I'd assign him to an anti-racism outreach programme. |
“ Do you know what the problem with foreign players is? They don't entire understand our cultural norms.”
So you are making an assumption about foreign players.
Oh crikey, what’s that term people use when you make assumptions about someone based on them being foreign….ahhh man it’s on the tip of my tongue… |  | | |
| Enzo Fernandez on 01:44 - Aug 1 with 1611 views | Europablue |
| Enzo Fernandez on 17:14 - Jul 31 by urbanpenguin |
Not being racist isn't a "cultural norm". It's not being racist, and it's quite easy to not be racist. |
Except people from different countries have different opinions on what is acceptable, even people in the same country have different opinions.
It's easy not to intend to be racist, it's not so easy not to be perceived as racist if, for example you use an outdated term that used to be acceptable. | | | |
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| Enzo Fernandez on 01:49 - Aug 1 with 1603 views | Europablue |
| Enzo Fernandez on 00:41 - Aug 1 by eireblue |
“ Do you know what the problem with foreign players is? They don't entire understand our cultural norms.”
So you are making an assumption about foreign players.
Oh crikey, what’s that term people use when you make assumptions about someone based on them being foreign….ahhh man it’s on the tip of my tongue… |
The word you are thinking of is probably racist, except you don't actually understand the meaning of the word if you were trying to insinuate that. It's not even xenophobic. It's literally a case of experience. If you have less experience of a culture, you will have less understanding. Foreigners have less experience of the culture than the native population. They therefore have to adjust to cultural norms. If a player is willing to understand our cultural norms and adjust to them, then I for one can give them the benefit of the doubt. Having said that, I don't know what he said. | | | |
| Enzo Fernandez on 05:04 - Aug 1 with 1537 views | urbanpenguin |
| Enzo Fernandez on 01:49 - Aug 1 by Europablue |
The word you are thinking of is probably racist, except you don't actually understand the meaning of the word if you were trying to insinuate that. It's not even xenophobic. It's literally a case of experience. If you have less experience of a culture, you will have less understanding. Foreigners have less experience of the culture than the native population. They therefore have to adjust to cultural norms. If a player is willing to understand our cultural norms and adjust to them, then I for one can give them the benefit of the doubt. Having said that, I don't know what he said. |
How on earth can you have an opinion about whether what occurred was or wasn't racist, a "cultural norm" or be in a position to give the benefit of the doubt if you've not even bothered to find out what it is you are talking about?
He published the racist and transphobic event himself on his own Instagram and it's been widely reported, so it's real, really not hard to do the research before having an opinion. | | | |
| Enzo Fernandez on 08:42 - Aug 1 with 1400 views | eireblue |
| Enzo Fernandez on 01:49 - Aug 1 by Europablue |
The word you are thinking of is probably racist, except you don't actually understand the meaning of the word if you were trying to insinuate that. It's not even xenophobic. It's literally a case of experience. If you have less experience of a culture, you will have less understanding. Foreigners have less experience of the culture than the native population. They therefore have to adjust to cultural norms. If a player is willing to understand our cultural norms and adjust to them, then I for one can give them the benefit of the doubt. Having said that, I don't know what he said. |
Yea because kicking racism out of football is a uniquely English….oh wait….no it isn’t.
It is also a FIFA thing, that is global, and applies to footballers
But your initial response is to point out he is foreign, rather than, he is a professional footballer.
It was a French football player in the article that stated the comments were racist.
Seems some foriegn players do understand racism, fancy that. | | | |
| Enzo Fernandez on 09:44 - Aug 1 with 1322 views | Europablue |
| Enzo Fernandez on 05:04 - Aug 1 by urbanpenguin |
How on earth can you have an opinion about whether what occurred was or wasn't racist, a "cultural norm" or be in a position to give the benefit of the doubt if you've not even bothered to find out what it is you are talking about?
He published the racist and transphobic event himself on his own Instagram and it's been widely reported, so it's real, really not hard to do the research before having an opinion. |
Whatever main sources I checked didn't include the video or even report on what he said. It was just stated that he was racist and anti-French. I'm not signing up to instagram just to see it. I actually believe that he probably did say something that I would find racist and/or inappropriate. The points I'm am making are just general, so the absolute details are not that critical. The point is that I don't believe in writing people off, especially young people. If they can demonstrate that they learnt from something stupid that they did, then they deserve rehabilitation. Actually, it's a powerful way to demonstrate to the even younger people that idolize people like Fernandez that sometimes we have to apologize and adjust our behaviour. | | | |
| Enzo Fernandez on 09:53 - Aug 1 with 1273 views | Europablue |
| Enzo Fernandez on 08:42 - Aug 1 by eireblue |
Yea because kicking racism out of football is a uniquely English….oh wait….no it isn’t.
It is also a FIFA thing, that is global, and applies to footballers
But your initial response is to point out he is foreign, rather than, he is a professional footballer.
It was a French football player in the article that stated the comments were racist.
Seems some foriegn players do understand racism, fancy that. |
The problem is that you think that your idea of what is offensive is common to everyone. I might even agree with your concept of what is racist. I believe Fernandez did probably say something racist (I don't know exactly what he said).
You are making a straw man for me and I'm not going to try to argue with what you wish I believed.
The facts of the matter is that he said something offensive, he was challenged on what he said, he apologized, the apology was accepted by his teammates (that is a key point), and he donated money to an anti-discrimination charity.
That seems like a good course of corrective action. Hopefully he has learnt his lesson and provided a lesson for others. | | | |
| Enzo Fernandez on 10:02 - Aug 1 with 1226 views | NedPlimpton |
| Enzo Fernandez on 01:44 - Aug 1 by Europablue |
Except people from different countries have different opinions on what is acceptable, even people in the same country have different opinions.
It's easy not to intend to be racist, it's not so easy not to be perceived as racist if, for example you use an outdated term that used to be acceptable. |
So many excuses being made for blatantly racist and transphobic behaviour
There is absolutely no way that if I had recruited someone to work in my team from oversees and they had recorded themselves using racist and transphobic slurs, that it would be anything other than dismissal. Regardless of your "culture" or if a term is "outdated" |  | | |
| Enzo Fernandez on 12:32 - Aug 1 with 1101 views | eireblue |
| Enzo Fernandez on 09:53 - Aug 1 by Europablue |
The problem is that you think that your idea of what is offensive is common to everyone. I might even agree with your concept of what is racist. I believe Fernandez did probably say something racist (I don't know exactly what he said).
You are making a straw man for me and I'm not going to try to argue with what you wish I believed.
The facts of the matter is that he said something offensive, he was challenged on what he said, he apologized, the apology was accepted by his teammates (that is a key point), and he donated money to an anti-discrimination charity.
That seems like a good course of corrective action. Hopefully he has learnt his lesson and provided a lesson for others. |
I wasn’t commenting on Enzo.
I was making a comment about you.
I found it…amusing….that your first point, on a topic when you don’t know what was said, was to point out the least specific thing about him. | | | |
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