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“The attack against Ballal is no isolated event,” said Omar Shakir, the Human Rights Watch director for Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. “Settlers routinely terrorise Palestinians, with the Israeli army often taking part. Israeli settlers have assaulted, tortured, and committed sexual violence against Palestinians, stolen their belongings and livestock, threatened to kill them if they did not leave permanently.
'The settler movement has been buoyed up by the Trump administration, which rescinded sanctions imposed on violent Israeli settler groups and, they believe could offer them a “special opportunity” to expand Israel’s hold on occupied territory.'
Read it and weep all of you apologists and excusers of Israeli State terrorism.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
There are more child amputees in Gaza than anywhere else in the world. What can the future hold for them?
Tens of thousands of children have been wounded in Gaza. Even those evacuated for treatment face an impossible path
Very sad. I’m not holding my breath, but I hope one day ‘the west’ will reflect on what’s happened and acknowledge that that we made a mistake being so supportive of a regime that appears to be carrying out multiple war crimes and breaches of human rights with impunity.
How Hamas are supposed to be neutered, I don’t know. But that problem doesn’t justify institutional and cultural genocide.
'Prisoners who are able to secure legal representation can sometimes get news from their lawyers, but there are certainly hundreds and probably thousands of detainees from Gaza who do not have a lawyer. Most are held under Israel’s unlawful combatants law, which allows indefinite detention without producing evidence. The state can hold someone for 45 days before allowing access to a lawyer or bringing them in front of a judge to authorise the detention. At the start of the war, those periods were extended to 180 and 75 days respectively. Amnesty International said the system “legalises incommunicado detention, enables enforced disappearance and must be repealed”. Despite thousands of detentions, there have been no known trials of anyone captured in Gaza since 7 October 2023.'
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Yeah but Hamas.... on 15:59 - Mar 29 by Swansea_Blue
Very sad. I’m not holding my breath, but I hope one day ‘the west’ will reflect on what’s happened and acknowledge that that we made a mistake being so supportive of a regime that appears to be carrying out multiple war crimes and breaches of human rights with impunity.
How Hamas are supposed to be neutered, I don’t know. But that problem doesn’t justify institutional and cultural genocide.
I'm not sure that there can be much merit in that reflection really, because I think everybody has known the intent, methods and bullsh!t of that repulsive cabal of leaders of a western ally from the start.
I don't have any time for people observing this kind of transparent situation who later on want to say "Oh, we didn't really realise how bad it was; if only we'd known." Guilty.
There was a documentary on ITV last night giving an insight into the mindset of settlers and their political leaders and showing IDF members participating in and/or ignoring their violent attacks. Total low lives the lot of them.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
I understand where you are coming from, but for me there’s every point in caring. In fact I take the view one should work all the harder against what I can only describe as evil. Shine a light on it and fight against those who would close down all debate and all opposition to their will.
I don’t know enough about the Middle East conflict. I never have not least because it seemed as far away as Mars. A conflict born in the ancient history of Darius, Alexander, Pharaohs, Romans, Masada, Assyrians, the bible. It seems never ending, even if Israel is eradicated, which is precisely what one side wants or the Palestinians, who the Israelis and Americans view as vermin.
What I do know is that murdering, taking hostages, bombing and killing to levels we see there and in other parts of the world less fashionable (eg Africa) is unacceptable to me. Every victim is a person such as you and me. Add in stealing land, threatening to ethnically cleanse an area to make it a theme park or ‘doing a deal’ to purloin what’s not yours (Ukraine) and we have a nonsense world for 21c.
Then we get to allowing and supporting a pariah dictator to smash a country whose borders your country guaranteed. I see a world slipping into ever more chaos with the rise of authoritarianism and their hunger to take what’s not theirs. It shouldn’t be this way, but it is.
Will things improve? One day. Everything goes in cycles. But it will take a lot of effort from those who care to make it happen.
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Yeah but Hamas.... on 08:19 - Mar 31 with 2527 views
I understand where you are coming from, but for me there’s every point in caring. In fact I take the view one should work all the harder against what I can only describe as evil. Shine a light on it and fight against those who would close down all debate and all opposition to their will.
I don’t know enough about the Middle East conflict. I never have not least because it seemed as far away as Mars. A conflict born in the ancient history of Darius, Alexander, Pharaohs, Romans, Masada, Assyrians, the bible. It seems never ending, even if Israel is eradicated, which is precisely what one side wants or the Palestinians, who the Israelis and Americans view as vermin.
What I do know is that murdering, taking hostages, bombing and killing to levels we see there and in other parts of the world less fashionable (eg Africa) is unacceptable to me. Every victim is a person such as you and me. Add in stealing land, threatening to ethnically cleanse an area to make it a theme park or ‘doing a deal’ to purloin what’s not yours (Ukraine) and we have a nonsense world for 21c.
Then we get to allowing and supporting a pariah dictator to smash a country whose borders your country guaranteed. I see a world slipping into ever more chaos with the rise of authoritarianism and their hunger to take what’s not theirs. It shouldn’t be this way, but it is.
Will things improve? One day. Everything goes in cycles. But it will take a lot of effort from those who care to make it happen.
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I saw a program on land grabs last night.
It left me with the same feeling I have always had. There are good people on either side but also a whole lot of fruit cakes.
What I can never fully grip is how people can take sides with the express view that either side is good or bad, right or wrong.
Like you, I agree that the situation is more complicated than an outsider can fully understand.
Hamas of course make the whole thing impossible.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
They don’t want them to know anything’: Gaza civilians held in Israel not told families had been killed
A nurse, a civil servant and a teacher, among thousands of Palestinians detained without charges, were not informed their relatives had died in Israeli attacks
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Yeah but Hamas.... on 09:41 - Mar 31 with 2313 views
"Hamas of course make the whole thing impossible."
But you don't understand how people can take sides? The settlers and Israeli government make it equally impossible, if not more so.
I’m not an apologist for the Israeli government but my hope I suppose is that it could change.
Hamas cannot change, it is 100% for the killing of every Jew on earth and it also has little or no love for the Palestinians who it pretends to support
Hamas kills a whole lot of Palestinians as well.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Yeah but Hamas.... on 09:41 - Mar 31 by Lord_Lucan
I’m not an apologist for the Israeli government but my hope I suppose is that it could change.
Hamas cannot change, it is 100% for the killing of every Jew on earth and it also has little or no love for the Palestinians who it pretends to support
Hamas kills a whole lot of Palestinians as well.
The Arab peace/reconstruction plan proposes the exclusion of Hamas, but Trump and Netanyahu are not interested.
The Arab States’ Remarkable Moves to Push Peace in Gaza
The Palestine Summit was a noteworthy display of political and diplomatic maturity. Now, the Arab countries need to find peace partners in Israel and the United States.
"It proposes that Egyptian and Jordanian security agencies train Palestinian government security troops, who then patrol in Gaza. Hamas and other militant Palestinian factions would be subject to the supervision of those Palestinian security forces. The plan calls for the creation of a Palestinian governing committee for Gaza—with no Hamas participation, populated by independent technocrats, and under the supervision of the Palestinian government in Ramallah. It also calls on the United Nations to authorize the formation and deployment of peacemaking troops for Gaza and the West Bank to reduce violence and provide security. It demands the return of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees to help alleviate civilians’ suffering during reconstruction."
EDIT: By way of background.
The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (CEIP) is a nonpartisan international affairs think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C., with operations in Europe, South Asia, East Asia, and the Middle East, as well as the United States. Founded in 1910 by Andrew Carnegie, the organization describes itself as being dedicated to advancing cooperation between countries, reducing global conflict, and promoting active international engagement between the United States and countries around the world. It engages leaders from multiple sectors and across the political spectrum.
In the University of Pennsylvania's "2019 Global Go To Think Tanks Report", Carnegie was ranked the number 1 top think tank in the world. In the 2015 Global Go To Think Tanks Report, Carnegie was ranked the third most influential think tank in the world, after the Brookings Institution and Chatham House. It was ranked as the top Independent Think Tank in 2018.
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Yeah but Hamas.... on 16:40 - Mar 31 with 2065 views
The Arab States’ Remarkable Moves to Push Peace in Gaza
The Palestine Summit was a noteworthy display of political and diplomatic maturity. Now, the Arab countries need to find peace partners in Israel and the United States.
"It proposes that Egyptian and Jordanian security agencies train Palestinian government security troops, who then patrol in Gaza. Hamas and other militant Palestinian factions would be subject to the supervision of those Palestinian security forces. The plan calls for the creation of a Palestinian governing committee for Gaza—with no Hamas participation, populated by independent technocrats, and under the supervision of the Palestinian government in Ramallah. It also calls on the United Nations to authorize the formation and deployment of peacemaking troops for Gaza and the West Bank to reduce violence and provide security. It demands the return of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees to help alleviate civilians’ suffering during reconstruction."
EDIT: By way of background.
The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (CEIP) is a nonpartisan international affairs think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C., with operations in Europe, South Asia, East Asia, and the Middle East, as well as the United States. Founded in 1910 by Andrew Carnegie, the organization describes itself as being dedicated to advancing cooperation between countries, reducing global conflict, and promoting active international engagement between the United States and countries around the world. It engages leaders from multiple sectors and across the political spectrum.
In the University of Pennsylvania's "2019 Global Go To Think Tanks Report", Carnegie was ranked the number 1 top think tank in the world. In the 2015 Global Go To Think Tanks Report, Carnegie was ranked the third most influential think tank in the world, after the Brookings Institution and Chatham House. It was ranked as the top Independent Think Tank in 2018.
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I have just had a chance to sit down. Are you sure you have posted the correct link.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
'Fifteen Palestinian paramedics and rescue workers, including at least one United Nations employee, were killed by Israeli forces “one by one” and buried in a mass grave eight days ago in southern Gaza, the UN has said.'
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
'Fifteen Palestinian paramedics and rescue workers, including at least one United Nations employee, were killed by Israeli forces “one by one” and buried in a mass grave eight days ago in southern Gaza, the UN has said.'
I often think what is the purpose of the U.N now as a political arbitor. Spineless, toothless and irrelevant. It is a shame that we have two major conflicts going on, as one distracts from the other. There is not enough time to focus on one and get results before the focus switches to the other conflict and leaves the other one unresolved. If you see what I mean.
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Yeah but Hamas.... on 10:27 - Apr 1 with 1627 views
Yeah but Hamas.... on 09:22 - Mar 30 by NthQldITFC
I'm not sure that there can be much merit in that reflection really, because I think everybody has known the intent, methods and bullsh!t of that repulsive cabal of leaders of a western ally from the start.
I don't have any time for people observing this kind of transparent situation who later on want to say "Oh, we didn't really realise how bad it was; if only we'd known." Guilty.
Edit - sorry, I’ve just seen the posts on this above. Late as usual!
(And completely as an aside, I heard yesterday that the ruling militia in Myanmar actually recommenced their attacks over the weekend just a couple days after thousands were killed in the quake. There are some evil fcuks around).
Edit - sorry, I’ve just seen the posts on this above. Late as usual!
(And completely as an aside, I heard yesterday that the ruling militia in Myanmar actually recommenced their attacks over the weekend just a couple days after thousands were killed in the quake. There are some evil fcuks around).
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This is a further detail worth highlighting because it suggests an attempt to bury the evidence.
“We’re digging them out in their uniforms, with their gloves on. They were here to save lives. Instead, they ended up in a mass grave,” Whittall said. “These ambulances have been buried in the sand. There’s a UN vehicle here, buried in the sand. A bulldozer – Israeli forces bulldozer – has buried them.”
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Yeah but Hamas.... on 07:40 - Apr 2 with 1381 views
This is a further detail worth highlighting because it suggests an attempt to bury the evidence.
“We’re digging them out in their uniforms, with their gloves on. They were here to save lives. Instead, they ended up in a mass grave,” Whittall said. “These ambulances have been buried in the sand. There’s a UN vehicle here, buried in the sand. A bulldozer – Israeli forces bulldozer – has buried them.”
'The Hostages Families Forum has reacted strongly to defense minister Israel Katz’s announcement that Israel is to expand its war further into Gaza.
In a statement, the group which represents friends and family of those being held captive in the Palestinian territory, said:
Did you decide that we are sacrificing hostages for capturing land? Instead of getting the hostages out in a deal and ending the war, Israel’s government is sending more soldiers to Gaza to fight in the same places that they already fought over and over again.
Hamas is believed to still be holding 59 hostages who were seized from Israel and abducted on 7 October, not all of whom are thought to still be alive.
The statement said that the Hostages Families Forum believed the recovery of the hostages had become “a secondary task” and had been “pushed to the bottom of the priority list.”
The families demanded the government explain “how this operation serves the goal of returning the hostages, and how you intend to avoid endangering them.” '
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
This is a further detail worth highlighting because it suggests an attempt to bury the evidence.
“We’re digging them out in their uniforms, with their gloves on. They were here to save lives. Instead, they ended up in a mass grave,” Whittall said. “These ambulances have been buried in the sand. There’s a UN vehicle here, buried in the sand. A bulldozer – Israeli forces bulldozer – has buried them.”
More disturbing detail (from the Guardian).
Palestinian paramedics shot by Israeli forces had hands tied, eyewitnesses say
Senior doctor who saw bodies says men appeared to have been ‘executed’, adding to evidence of potential war crime
Some of the bodies of 15 Palestinian paramedics and rescue workers, killed by Israeli forces and buried in a mass grave nine days ago in Gaza, were found with their hands or legs tied and had gunshot wounds to the head and chest, according to two eyewitnesses.
The witness accounts add to an accumulating body of evidence pointing to a potentially serious war crime on 23 March, when Palestinian Red Crescent ambulance crews and civil defence rescue workers were sent to the scene of an airstrike in the early hours of the morning in the al-Hashashin district of Rafah, Gaza’s southernmost city.
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Yeah but Hamas.... on 09:21 - Apr 2 with 1294 views
Palestinian paramedics shot by Israeli forces had hands tied, eyewitnesses say
Senior doctor who saw bodies says men appeared to have been ‘executed’, adding to evidence of potential war crime
Some of the bodies of 15 Palestinian paramedics and rescue workers, killed by Israeli forces and buried in a mass grave nine days ago in Gaza, were found with their hands or legs tied and had gunshot wounds to the head and chest, according to two eyewitnesses.
The witness accounts add to an accumulating body of evidence pointing to a potentially serious war crime on 23 March, when Palestinian Red Crescent ambulance crews and civil defence rescue workers were sent to the scene of an airstrike in the early hours of the morning in the al-Hashashin district of Rafah, Gaza’s southernmost city.
Executing first responders in cold blood is as sickening as it gets. Anyone still think this is self defense?
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