| Why are people panicking about signings? 09:39 - Jul 4 with 2676 views | Chris_ITFC |
Is it just boredom? Because they want some juicy, exciting exclusives from Phil? Because think of it this way…
Imagine this:
We actually finished 3rd in the promotion season, we didn’t go up, but we took that team and signed:
Omari
Szmodics
O’Shea
Jack Clarke
Philogene
Ogbene
Greaves
Johnson
Townsend
… to go and attack the Championship again, and gain the promotion we didn’t quite manage. SO many of those are the elite of their position at this level.
If we’d added them this summer, TWTD would be absolutely dead - we’d have all fainted in shock… or passed out from unbelievable arousal.
We might not be getting the juicy exclusives (yet!)… but WHAT A SQUAD we’ve built already!!!
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| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:47 - Jul 4 with 2153 views | TheBlueGnu |
We have a lot of FIFA game players on this forum who expect real life football to reflect FIFA. Heaven knows how they would have been if TWTD was around in Bobby Robson's reign - he only signed 14 players during his entire time at Ipswich ! |  |
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| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:49 - Jul 4 with 2139 views | OldFart71 |
I think the reason is because in the past couple of seasons we have been out of the traps like a greyhound whereas this season it's been very slow.
One reason is of course the 30th of June being the cut off for the financial fair play rules spending.
Also with Town there's the Omari situation. Having spent time away with the U21's he's now on a couple of weeks off so any offers for him will be on hold and consequently what we spend may be influenced by whether he stays or goes. | | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:49 - Jul 4 with 2127 views | tomitfc |
Maybe because we are woefully short in midfield and have only one competent centre forward? just a thought.. | | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:57 - Jul 4 with 2069 views | EEJB |
I expect it’s because we’ve lost:
Delap
Phillips
Cajuste
Tuanzebe
Burgess
Luongo
Enciso
We are light up front, light at RB and very, very light in CM.
There’s nothing wrong with saying that we need signings, and obviously the earlier we get them the better. KM has said this himself.
I’m not sure why it upsets people so much when it’s discussed. |  | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:57 - Jul 4 with 2059 views | MattinLondon |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:47 - Jul 4 by TheBlueGnu |
We have a lot of FIFA game players on this forum who expect real life football to reflect FIFA. Heaven knows how they would have been if TWTD was around in Bobby Robson's reign - he only signed 14 players during his entire time at Ipswich ! |
The Bobby Robson comparison is redundant.
Yes, the great man only used and signed so many players during his time here but at Barcelona and Newcastle he certainly evolved to use squad rotation which involves signing more players. |  | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:10 - Jul 4 with 1988 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:57 - Jul 4 by EEJB |
I expect it’s because we’ve lost:
Delap
Phillips
Cajuste
Tuanzebe
Burgess
Luongo
Enciso
We are light up front, light at RB and very, very light in CM.
There’s nothing wrong with saying that we need signings, and obviously the earlier we get them the better. KM has said this himself.
I’m not sure why it upsets people so much when it’s discussed. |
It’s a long list, but the contributions from some were minimal.
I think that’s an example of my point - short memories. If we’d just finished 3rd (like the OP), and signed Ben Johnson from West Ham to upgrade Harry Clarke, we’d all be excited by that. I think the idea we’re light there is dubious.
Sure, CM and ST need a body, but Morsy/Taylor and Hirst/Al Hamadi are a good foundation to build on at this level - which we obviously will with signings to come.
I’m just trying to temper some of the doom and pessimism, when you look at the additions we made ‘a window ahead’, like we’ve often done. | |
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| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:16 - Jul 4 with 1962 views | BloomBlue |
It's the children model of the modern age, success only comes from spending money. I'm rather proud of their love of capitalism, but it is a case of spending irrelevant of what you're buying.
So some fans just want us to spend some money, irrelevant of what type of player we buy. Note: those same fans will then moan later this season if we're not top of the league by 20 points about buying the wrong players.
I see on a different post about Hull have already signed 6 players. Ffs don't they understand Hull aren't buying players to have a go at promotion, they buying players to avoid relegation. Is that really the type of players we want.
I see some fans moaning Johnson isn't good enough for RB and want us to buy better. This is a PL player until this season, buying a better quality player will take time.
We have a really good squad, I prefer we wait for players who will make us better rather than players who only make us stand still. |  | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:16 - Jul 4 with 1965 views | tomitfc |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:57 - Jul 4 by EEJB |
I expect it’s because we’ve lost:
Delap
Phillips
Cajuste
Tuanzebe
Burgess
Luongo
Enciso
We are light up front, light at RB and very, very light in CM.
There’s nothing wrong with saying that we need signings, and obviously the earlier we get them the better. KM has said this himself.
I’m not sure why it upsets people so much when it’s discussed. |
Spot on. Seems to be illegal to question where the signings are. Especially when we knew along way out which league we would be in, not to mention how Ashton said 'we were well down the line with things' | | | |
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| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:19 - Jul 4 with 1950 views | LankHenners |
Wouldn't say we're at 'WHAT A SQUAD' level at all yet - we're well stocked in the attacking midfield and GK departments, but almost every other area of the pitch is looking a little lightweight. |  |
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| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:19 - Jul 4 with 1946 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:10 - Jul 4 by Chris_ITFC |
It’s a long list, but the contributions from some were minimal.
I think that’s an example of my point - short memories. If we’d just finished 3rd (like the OP), and signed Ben Johnson from West Ham to upgrade Harry Clarke, we’d all be excited by that. I think the idea we’re light there is dubious.
Sure, CM and ST need a body, but Morsy/Taylor and Hirst/Al Hamadi are a good foundation to build on at this level - which we obviously will with signings to come.
I’m just trying to temper some of the doom and pessimism, when you look at the additions we made ‘a window ahead’, like we’ve often done. |
Sort of agree on the first point but think the other two points are a bit of a stretch. Morsy is now 2 years older than before and Taylor wasn’t good enough to get in the side last time around
Similarly up top Hirst is fine but history shows he’ll likely have spells on the sidelines which will hurt us. AAH isn’t good enough
I’m onboard with the general point, there’s plenty of time and confident the right reinforcements will come. But given it’s been a slow start compared to previous years, the season we’ve just had and the fact we’ve lost a couple of starters it’s not a surprise some people are getting twitchy |  |
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| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:35 - Jul 4 with 1877 views | Len_Brennan |
The point you make is absolutely correct, and for us to have even considered adding 1 or 2 of those players you've listed during the promotion season would have been mind-blowing, so yes we are in a very strong position, which is reflected in the betting markets.
You are also correct in suggesting that boredom plays a part; I'm of the Robson era, but I still find myself coming on here & refreshing regularly in the hope that there is some transfer news. I even sometimes click on 'click bait' articles on rubbish websites, while knowing they are rubbish websites, because that is how most of us are conditioned now. When I was a kid, during the summer you had pre-season friendlies & the announcing of maybe 1 new signing, but the rest of the time was playing football with your mates, with no expectations on a day to day basis.
Getting off to a great start, following on the momentum of promotion from L1, was a massive element in our promotion to the PL last time. Ourselves & Leicester (& Preston for a while) got away from the pack, while relegated sides & others with new managers & big squad overhauls, struggled to find their identities. Southampton & Leeds both had amazing runs during the season, but that early accumulation of points stood us in great stead when it came down to the wire.
I think part of the, I'll say surprise & disappointed rather than panic, that we haven't signed anyone yet is that Ashton & McKenna talk about getting business done early, in order to integrate players into the group for pre-season, to be ready for kick off. Also Ashton has spoken on how they are planning now for the transfer window after the current/next one, so there was probably an expectation that we had a couple of players lined up to join when the window opened or contracts expired, which hasn't come to pass.
Then, we have lost Tuanzebe, Burgess, Delap & Luongo; 3 of whom were in our preferred starting XI last time in the Championship, and the other is the guy who took the PL by storm, so all 4 are a significant loss; not to mention Cajuste, who would probably have signed by now if he was going to.
We need 2 quality central midfielders, who we'd expect could step up upon promotion - eg: Tyler Morton, Flynn Downes, Hayden Hackney, and we also need 2 centre forwards - eg: Marc Guiu, Mihailo Ivanovic, even Lathe Latte as the second. Hopefully we'll have a couple of them in the squad before jetting off to Austria. | | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:53 - Jul 4 with 1814 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:19 - Jul 4 by LankHenners |
Wouldn't say we're at 'WHAT A SQUAD' level at all yet - we're well stocked in the attacking midfield and GK departments, but almost every other area of the pitch is looking a little lightweight. |
Lightweight? In defence?
Johnson O’Shea Greaves Davis
Clarke Woolfenden ??? Townsend
Johnson has been in the Prem most of his career; O’Shea was wanted by Prem clubs; Greaves was Championship TOTS; Davis has the assists record.
The first choice defence is possibly the best in the league.
The second choice(!) defence is 3/4 that would probably be top 6 worthy!
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| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:55 - Jul 4 with 1791 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:16 - Jul 4 by BloomBlue |
It's the children model of the modern age, success only comes from spending money. I'm rather proud of their love of capitalism, but it is a case of spending irrelevant of what you're buying.
So some fans just want us to spend some money, irrelevant of what type of player we buy. Note: those same fans will then moan later this season if we're not top of the league by 20 points about buying the wrong players.
I see on a different post about Hull have already signed 6 players. Ffs don't they understand Hull aren't buying players to have a go at promotion, they buying players to avoid relegation. Is that really the type of players we want.
I see some fans moaning Johnson isn't good enough for RB and want us to buy better. This is a PL player until this season, buying a better quality player will take time.
We have a really good squad, I prefer we wait for players who will make us better rather than players who only make us stand still. |
Agreed. I’d much rather a consistent squad, 1 or 2 required additions, over all the fun of 5-6.
Johnson is a prime example. He wasn’t exciting last year, but we’re not at that level anymore - at this level, he’s top 3 pedigree in his position. Similar with Townsend for example, and he’s just back-up to Davis! The idea we’re weak at RB would be laughed at by 20 of the other clubs. | |
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| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:57 - Jul 4 with 1782 views | EuanTown |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:35 - Jul 4 by Len_Brennan |
The point you make is absolutely correct, and for us to have even considered adding 1 or 2 of those players you've listed during the promotion season would have been mind-blowing, so yes we are in a very strong position, which is reflected in the betting markets.
You are also correct in suggesting that boredom plays a part; I'm of the Robson era, but I still find myself coming on here & refreshing regularly in the hope that there is some transfer news. I even sometimes click on 'click bait' articles on rubbish websites, while knowing they are rubbish websites, because that is how most of us are conditioned now. When I was a kid, during the summer you had pre-season friendlies & the announcing of maybe 1 new signing, but the rest of the time was playing football with your mates, with no expectations on a day to day basis.
Getting off to a great start, following on the momentum of promotion from L1, was a massive element in our promotion to the PL last time. Ourselves & Leicester (& Preston for a while) got away from the pack, while relegated sides & others with new managers & big squad overhauls, struggled to find their identities. Southampton & Leeds both had amazing runs during the season, but that early accumulation of points stood us in great stead when it came down to the wire.
I think part of the, I'll say surprise & disappointed rather than panic, that we haven't signed anyone yet is that Ashton & McKenna talk about getting business done early, in order to integrate players into the group for pre-season, to be ready for kick off. Also Ashton has spoken on how they are planning now for the transfer window after the current/next one, so there was probably an expectation that we had a couple of players lined up to join when the window opened or contracts expired, which hasn't come to pass.
Then, we have lost Tuanzebe, Burgess, Delap & Luongo; 3 of whom were in our preferred starting XI last time in the Championship, and the other is the guy who took the PL by storm, so all 4 are a significant loss; not to mention Cajuste, who would probably have signed by now if he was going to.
We need 2 quality central midfielders, who we'd expect could step up upon promotion - eg: Tyler Morton, Flynn Downes, Hayden Hackney, and we also need 2 centre forwards - eg: Marc Guiu, Mihailo Ivanovic, even Lathe Latte as the second. Hopefully we'll have a couple of them in the squad before jetting off to Austria. |
I agree, and I also think that the type of player we are after maybe a little harder to get done at the moment. This maybe for various reasons. Where they currently are. Holding out for more options.
I don't doubt with have many irons in the fire, but none yet are hot enough to pull out and announce as done.
Yes it is frustrating as a fan, but imagine how frustrating it must be for the club bit being able to get targets over the line for whatever reason. |  | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 11:02 - Jul 4 with 1739 views | LankHenners |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:53 - Jul 4 by Chris_ITFC |
Lightweight? In defence?
Johnson O’Shea Greaves Davis
Clarke Woolfenden ??? Townsend
Johnson has been in the Prem most of his career; O’Shea was wanted by Prem clubs; Greaves was Championship TOTS; Davis has the assists record.
The first choice defence is possibly the best in the league.
The second choice(!) defence is 3/4 that would probably be top 6 worthy!
You say lightweight. I say short memories. |
Lightweight includes numbers, obviously. Would be surprised if we didn't go for another Tuanzebe-style RB and we need a replacement for Burgess.
Central midfield clearly needs at least 2 more additions and we need two strikers - so we're undercooked in arguably the two most important areas of the pitch. | |
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| Why are people panicking about signings? on 11:05 - Jul 4 with 1714 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Indeed. We operate from a position of relative strength but with inherent uncertainty around one or two key players (e.g. Omari). That must mean a different approach in this window re timing etc. | | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 12:08 - Jul 4 with 1512 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:57 - Jul 4 by EuanTown |
I agree, and I also think that the type of player we are after maybe a little harder to get done at the moment. This maybe for various reasons. Where they currently are. Holding out for more options.
I don't doubt with have many irons in the fire, but none yet are hot enough to pull out and announce as done.
Yes it is frustrating as a fan, but imagine how frustrating it must be for the club bit being able to get targets over the line for whatever reason. |
Yes, take Brownhill for example - a lot of excitement when the rumour came out, but deals like that are unlikely to be done by the first week of July. | |
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| Why are people panicking about signings? on 12:15 - Jul 4 with 1470 views | ReusersTown |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:49 - Jul 4 by tomitfc |
Maybe because we are woefully short in midfield and have only one competent centre forward? just a thought.. |
We need a very few big tickets items. Why would we go out and rush that with 2 months of the window remaining? | | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 12:21 - Jul 4 with 1440 views | ReusersTown |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:53 - Jul 4 by Chris_ITFC |
Lightweight? In defence?
Johnson O’Shea Greaves Davis
Clarke Woolfenden ??? Townsend
Johnson has been in the Prem most of his career; O’Shea was wanted by Prem clubs; Greaves was Championship TOTS; Davis has the assists record.
The first choice defence is possibly the best in the league.
The second choice(!) defence is 3/4 that would probably be top 6 worthy!
You say lightweight. I say short memories. |
Yeah, when you put it like that f'ing ridiculous statement! lol | | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 12:26 - Jul 4 with 1412 views | bartyg |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 11:02 - Jul 4 by LankHenners |
Lightweight includes numbers, obviously. Would be surprised if we didn't go for another Tuanzebe-style RB and we need a replacement for Burgess.
Central midfield clearly needs at least 2 more additions and we need two strikers - so we're undercooked in arguably the two most important areas of the pitch. |
Backline feels likely to be filled with loans imo
Could see our only permanent signings being two in midfield and one up front |  | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 12:46 - Jul 4 with 1316 views | vilanovablue |
Because every summer since the new owners we've been busy. People also seem to want instant gratification. I figure in this window we'll be going after better targets and those deals are tricky to complete now we're back in the championship. |  | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 12:53 - Jul 4 with 1285 views | JeremiahBrown |
I am just concerned that other Clubs will go after our targets and beat us to them, or we shall wait for someone, only to not get them and then find most of our other targets have already been snapped up. | | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 08:53 - Jul 5 with 962 views | dissboy2 |
who's panicking? | | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:43 - Jul 5 with 865 views | badadski |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 09:49 - Jul 4 by tomitfc |
Maybe because we are woefully short in midfield and have only one competent centre forward? just a thought.. |
We do t need a striker for championship - we have Hirst and any one of Chaplin, broadhead or szmodics to play behind or even instead of if we want. That’s discounting al Hamadi who would be ok at this level. We do not need any new players for championship but if we are building a team to compete in the premiership and want to start now then that’s what we will be looking for but won’t come cheap or easy. | | | |
| Why are people panicking about signings? on 10:06 - Jul 5 with 821 views | Swansea_Blue |
People want everything yesterday these days. It’s not just limited to football signings. |  |
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