| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:16 - Sep 3 with 2380 views | Swansea_Blue |
A slimy fker, no doubt about it. I can’t warm to him at all.
They really don’t like trans people. I thought my MP (Antonia Antoniazzi) was doing a half decent job; relatively quiet in Westminster, avoiding the culture wars and available to her constituents. But she couldn’t wait to stand up in the commons and deny trans women the right to be who they are.
I lent them my vote to keep the Tories out, but won’t be making that mistake again unless they have a complete clear out and reboot. |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:24 - Sep 3 with 2338 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:16 - Sep 3 by Swansea_Blue |
A slimy fker, no doubt about it. I can’t warm to him at all.
They really don’t like trans people. I thought my MP (Antonia Antoniazzi) was doing a half decent job; relatively quiet in Westminster, avoiding the culture wars and available to her constituents. But she couldn’t wait to stand up in the commons and deny trans women the right to be who they are.
I lent them my vote to keep the Tories out, but won’t be making that mistake again unless they have a complete clear out and reboot. |
Roll on the Corbyn/Green alliance!
Whoops sorry I nearly forgot that they're all terrorist sympathising antisemites! |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:25 - Sep 3 with 2340 views | DJR |
You mean things like this (from a Guardian article on McSweeney et al).
"After a few months working from a park bench, the group funded a small office in Vauxhall, and soon it reached out to former Labour advisers to work alongside them with a focus on online antisemitism. In an early review, they identified problem posts in hundreds of Facebook groups with links to either the party or left wing politics. Some of these were aimed at Labour’s female Jewish MPs. They then farmed out the posts they uncovered to journalists who were themselves reporting on rising evidence of antisemitism on the left." [Post edited 3 Sep 21:44]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:28 - Sep 3 with 2315 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:25 - Sep 3 by DJR |
You mean things like this (from a Guardian article on McSweeney et al).
"After a few months working from a park bench, the group funded a small office in Vauxhall, and soon it reached out to former Labour advisers to work alongside them with a focus on online antisemitism. In an early review, they identified problem posts in hundreds of Facebook groups with links to either the party or left wing politics. Some of these were aimed at Labour’s female Jewish MPs. They then farmed out the posts they uncovered to journalists who were themselves reporting on rising evidence of antisemitism on the left." [Post edited 3 Sep 21:44]
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You literally couldn't make it up could you.....oh hold on it turns out that you could! [Post edited 3 Sep 21:43]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:31 - Sep 3 with 2286 views | DJR |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:28 - Sep 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You literally couldn't make it up could you.....oh hold on it turns out that you could! [Post edited 3 Sep 21:43]
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It also led to a disproportionate number of Jewish members being investigated or expelled for antisemitism. Or being required to undergo antisemitism training.
To my mind this is completely bonkers. [Post edited 3 Sep 21:34]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:33 - Sep 3 with 2278 views | J2BLUE |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:16 - Sep 3 by Swansea_Blue |
A slimy fker, no doubt about it. I can’t warm to him at all.
They really don’t like trans people. I thought my MP (Antonia Antoniazzi) was doing a half decent job; relatively quiet in Westminster, avoiding the culture wars and available to her constituents. But she couldn’t wait to stand up in the commons and deny trans women the right to be who they are.
I lent them my vote to keep the Tories out, but won’t be making that mistake again unless they have a complete clear out and reboot. |
What did she say that you took issue with?
Genuinely asking. |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:35 - Sep 3 with 2261 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:25 - Sep 3 by DJR |
You mean things like this (from a Guardian article on McSweeney et al).
"After a few months working from a park bench, the group funded a small office in Vauxhall, and soon it reached out to former Labour advisers to work alongside them with a focus on online antisemitism. In an early review, they identified problem posts in hundreds of Facebook groups with links to either the party or left wing politics. Some of these were aimed at Labour’s female Jewish MPs. They then farmed out the posts they uncovered to journalists who were themselves reporting on rising evidence of antisemitism on the left." [Post edited 3 Sep 21:44]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:36 - Sep 3 with 2254 views | Trequartista |
One of the more impressive Labour front benchers, which is currently quite a low bar. |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:41 - Sep 3 with 2226 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:33 - Sep 3 by J2BLUE |
What did she say that you took issue with?
Genuinely asking. |
She gleefully celebrated to high court ruling that denied trans women the right to be viewed as women legally. And attacked the concept of gender ideology. So effectively the right to view yourself how you would like to be viewed irrespective of the legal position. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:42 - Sep 3 with 2209 views | DJR |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:36 - Sep 3 by Trequartista |
One of the more impressive Labour front benchers, which is currently quite a low bar. |
Personally, I have always had my doubts about someone who when President of the National Union of Students supported tuition fees. [Post edited 3 Sep 21:44]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:58 - Sep 3 with 2107 views | Trequartista |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:42 - Sep 3 by DJR |
Personally, I have always had my doubts about someone who when President of the National Union of Students supported tuition fees. [Post edited 3 Sep 21:44]
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I didn't know that - that's erm brave if not anything else! I meant since he's been a front-bencher. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:04 - Sep 3 with 2056 views | lowhouseblue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:16 - Sep 3 by Swansea_Blue |
A slimy fker, no doubt about it. I can’t warm to him at all.
They really don’t like trans people. I thought my MP (Antonia Antoniazzi) was doing a half decent job; relatively quiet in Westminster, avoiding the culture wars and available to her constituents. But she couldn’t wait to stand up in the commons and deny trans women the right to be who they are.
I lent them my vote to keep the Tories out, but won’t be making that mistake again unless they have a complete clear out and reboot. |
the right of trans women to be who they are is enshrined in equality law and harassment law. they are legally protected from discrimination and harassment and have exactly the same human right protections as everyone else. they have no fewer rights and no more.
what they can't do - and what no male can do - is claim sexed based rights and protections which are legally assigned to biological women. they can adopt the gender identity they choose - and receive full legal protection in so doing - but they can't claim to be biological women or claim the legal rights reserved to biological women.
it sounds as if your mp was spot on - no one is attempting to prevent gender non-conforming males from "being who they are" but in the context of discrimination law they can't claim to be something that they are not. |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:20 - Sep 3 with 1971 views | Trequartista |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:41 - Sep 3 by Swansea_Blue |
She gleefully celebrated to high court ruling that denied trans women the right to be viewed as women legally. And attacked the concept of gender ideology. So effectively the right to view yourself how you would like to be viewed irrespective of the legal position. |
Perhaps when she attacked gender ideology, she wasn't attacking trans people and how they want to identify, but attacked the concept of telling kids they are born in the wrong body if they don't conform to male and female stereotypes, or the concept behind the now-closed Tavistock clinic. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:32 - Sep 3 with 1891 views | lowhouseblue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:20 - Sep 3 by Trequartista |
Perhaps when she attacked gender ideology, she wasn't attacking trans people and how they want to identify, but attacked the concept of telling kids they are born in the wrong body if they don't conform to male and female stereotypes, or the concept behind the now-closed Tavistock clinic. |
or indeed the intensely misogynist concept that the distinct life experience of biological women is so utterly insignificant that all a male needs to do is say that he 'feels like a woman' to instantly becomes indistinguishable from one. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:43 - Sep 3 with 1857 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:32 - Sep 3 by lowhouseblue |
or indeed the intensely misogynist concept that the distinct life experience of biological women is so utterly insignificant that all a male needs to do is say that he 'feels like a woman' to instantly becomes indistinguishable from one. |
Get your own thread, this one is dedicated to hypocritical Wes! | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 00:50 - Sep 4 with 1678 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:32 - Sep 3 by lowhouseblue |
or indeed the intensely misogynist concept that the distinct life experience of biological women is so utterly insignificant that all a male needs to do is say that he 'feels like a woman' to instantly becomes indistinguishable from one. |
Your previous post was measured, but now you're stretching.
I don't think any of the trans women who I know are in any way promoting "the intensely misogynist concept that the distinct life experience of biological women is so utterly insignificant". |  | | |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 08:36 - Sep 4 with 1389 views | lowhouseblue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 00:50 - Sep 4 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Your previous post was measured, but now you're stretching.
I don't think any of the trans women who I know are in any way promoting "the intensely misogynist concept that the distinct life experience of biological women is so utterly insignificant". |
i think you're wrong. the act of saying that a male is no different from biological women, when that male lacks their life experience and defining characteristics, is necessarily to imply that that life experience and those defining characteristics are insignificant and don't matter. many biological women i know do feel that to be misogynistic. it is never said openly, and no one 'promotes' it explicitly, but it is an unavoidable and necessary implication. implying that being female is nothing more than something 'anyone can feel' is dismissive of the distinct life experience of biological women. as the law makes clear, recognising and respecting sex-based differences is essential. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 08:52 - Sep 4 with 1344 views | baxterbasics |
Bringing it back to the OP - there's a difference between politicians using tweets to attack each other, and the police using them as a basis to send an armed unit after a minor personality. Whatever your opinion on Mr Linehan and the opinions he shares, that's a massive overreach and indeed a waste of police resources. |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:15 - Sep 4 with 1218 views | DJR |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 08:52 - Sep 4 by baxterbasics |
Bringing it back to the OP - there's a difference between politicians using tweets to attack each other, and the police using them as a basis to send an armed unit after a minor personality. Whatever your opinion on Mr Linehan and the opinions he shares, that's a massive overreach and indeed a waste of police resources. |
What was probably unique though was one faction in a political party using social media posts to undermine the elected leader of a party.
As regards Linehan, it does seem an overreaction although I rather doubt charges will follow.
Having said that, it is possible to be on the same side as Linehan but not post the sort of things he did. JK Rowling seems to manage it perfectly well.
And I don't think it is really possible to argue that charges shouldn't have been brought against Lucy Connolly who called for hostels to be burnt down. In that sense, I think Streeting is wrong unless we are prepared to ignore the law and let threats of violence etc on social media be the norm.
Of course this sort of thing wouldn't really have been a thing before the internet because what one said to friends or in a pub wouldn't go beyond four walls. But social media posts can be reposted many times, with who know what consequences: Connolly's was viewed over 300,000 times. [Post edited 4 Sep 10:18]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:28 - Sep 4 with 1155 views | lowhouseblue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:15 - Sep 4 by DJR |
What was probably unique though was one faction in a political party using social media posts to undermine the elected leader of a party.
As regards Linehan, it does seem an overreaction although I rather doubt charges will follow.
Having said that, it is possible to be on the same side as Linehan but not post the sort of things he did. JK Rowling seems to manage it perfectly well.
And I don't think it is really possible to argue that charges shouldn't have been brought against Lucy Connolly who called for hostels to be burnt down. In that sense, I think Streeting is wrong unless we are prepared to ignore the law and let threats of violence etc on social media be the norm.
Of course this sort of thing wouldn't really have been a thing before the internet because what one said to friends or in a pub wouldn't go beyond four walls. But social media posts can be reposted many times, with who know what consequences: Connolly's was viewed over 300,000 times. [Post edited 4 Sep 10:18]
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there won't be any charges. it doesn't get anywhere near incitement. he's a comedian, it's a joke about about people with balls being in female spaces, there is a long history of people offering self-defence advise if women feel harassed, intimidated or threatened, his fist advice is to report to the police, and legally males shouldn't be in designated single sex spaces. the number of ways it can be explained and justified are numerous. the cps has no desire to look that stupid by allowing a charge to be brought.
but someone - a senior officer - made the decision to send 5 armed officers to arrest him before he got off the plane. given that there is zero prospect of any charge this amounts to intimidating and threatening behaviour by the police (not the individual officers - but through institutional policy / decision making). it has an enormously chilling effect on free speech. it makes the police look partisan and to be choosing to intervene in a purely political matter.
there is no comparison with connolly - though if that had gone to a jury i think her chances would have been decent. with linehan there is no reasonable argument that he intended to incite violence or there was any reasonable likelihood of that happening.
the thing you also need to remember with linehan is that over many years the level of abuse and persecution he has faced purely because of his beliefs has been immense. he has adopted a forth right style as a result of that - but free speech allows people to be forthright and indeed to be offensive. [Post edited 4 Sep 10:29]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:35 - Sep 4 with 1145 views | DJR |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:28 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
there won't be any charges. it doesn't get anywhere near incitement. he's a comedian, it's a joke about about people with balls being in female spaces, there is a long history of people offering self-defence advise if women feel harassed, intimidated or threatened, his fist advice is to report to the police, and legally males shouldn't be in designated single sex spaces. the number of ways it can be explained and justified are numerous. the cps has no desire to look that stupid by allowing a charge to be brought.
but someone - a senior officer - made the decision to send 5 armed officers to arrest him before he got off the plane. given that there is zero prospect of any charge this amounts to intimidating and threatening behaviour by the police (not the individual officers - but through institutional policy / decision making). it has an enormously chilling effect on free speech. it makes the police look partisan and to be choosing to intervene in a purely political matter.
there is no comparison with connolly - though if that had gone to a jury i think her chances would have been decent. with linehan there is no reasonable argument that he intended to incite violence or there was any reasonable likelihood of that happening.
the thing you also need to remember with linehan is that over many years the level of abuse and persecution he has faced purely because of his beliefs has been immense. he has adopted a forth right style as a result of that - but free speech allows people to be forthright and indeed to be offensive. [Post edited 4 Sep 10:29]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:40 - Sep 4 with 1128 views | giant_stow |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:28 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
there won't be any charges. it doesn't get anywhere near incitement. he's a comedian, it's a joke about about people with balls being in female spaces, there is a long history of people offering self-defence advise if women feel harassed, intimidated or threatened, his fist advice is to report to the police, and legally males shouldn't be in designated single sex spaces. the number of ways it can be explained and justified are numerous. the cps has no desire to look that stupid by allowing a charge to be brought.
but someone - a senior officer - made the decision to send 5 armed officers to arrest him before he got off the plane. given that there is zero prospect of any charge this amounts to intimidating and threatening behaviour by the police (not the individual officers - but through institutional policy / decision making). it has an enormously chilling effect on free speech. it makes the police look partisan and to be choosing to intervene in a purely political matter.
there is no comparison with connolly - though if that had gone to a jury i think her chances would have been decent. with linehan there is no reasonable argument that he intended to incite violence or there was any reasonable likelihood of that happening.
the thing you also need to remember with linehan is that over many years the level of abuse and persecution he has faced purely because of his beliefs has been immense. he has adopted a forth right style as a result of that - but free speech allows people to be forthright and indeed to be offensive. [Post edited 4 Sep 10:29]
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"but someone - a senior officer - made the decision to send 5 armed officers to arrest him before he got off the plane. "
I thought it was a bit rich for some Met police guy to complain about the law yesterday , given what you say there to be true. They could have just phoned him up or visited him at home, if they had to.
Edit: indeed, like Essex Police did with Alison sh1thead Pearson. [Post edited 4 Sep 10:45]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:46 - Sep 4 with 1094 views | baxterbasics |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:15 - Sep 4 by DJR |
What was probably unique though was one faction in a political party using social media posts to undermine the elected leader of a party.
As regards Linehan, it does seem an overreaction although I rather doubt charges will follow.
Having said that, it is possible to be on the same side as Linehan but not post the sort of things he did. JK Rowling seems to manage it perfectly well.
And I don't think it is really possible to argue that charges shouldn't have been brought against Lucy Connolly who called for hostels to be burnt down. In that sense, I think Streeting is wrong unless we are prepared to ignore the law and let threats of violence etc on social media be the norm.
Of course this sort of thing wouldn't really have been a thing before the internet because what one said to friends or in a pub wouldn't go beyond four walls. But social media posts can be reposted many times, with who know what consequences: Connolly's was viewed over 300,000 times. [Post edited 4 Sep 10:18]
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Hard to argue against the fact Lucy Connolly crossed a line that even a free speech champion like me can see. Linehan's did not. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:50 - Sep 4 with 1076 views | J2BLUE |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:41 - Sep 3 by Swansea_Blue |
She gleefully celebrated to high court ruling that denied trans women the right to be viewed as women legally. And attacked the concept of gender ideology. So effectively the right to view yourself how you would like to be viewed irrespective of the legal position. |
What, by agreeing with that ruling about being based on biological sex? | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 11:24 - Sep 4 with 1002 views | DJR |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 10:46 - Sep 4 by baxterbasics |
Hard to argue against the fact Lucy Connolly crossed a line that even a free speech champion like me can see. Linehan's did not. |
Sadly though, Nigel Farage went out to the US to use her case as an example of the supposed attack on free speech in the UK, and she has become a darling of the right and the right wing media.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/lucy-connolly-i-was-starmers-politic
Lucy Connolly’s first interview: I was Starmer’s political prisoner | | | |
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