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Mings and Ibrahimovic both charged with violent conduct, but they're going for Tyrone:
"Furthermore, the FA has submitted a claim that the standard punishment that would otherwise apply for the misconduct committed by the Bournemouth defender is 'clearly insufficient'."
This despite it being a point of argument as to whether Tyrone deliberately stamped, and as clear as day that Zlatan retaliated. Barstewards.
No mention of the ref being taken to account over a p1ss poor performance either.
I really hope that wasn't deliberate from Mings. Neville seemed to jump the gun by calling it cowardly. If the FA think it was deliberate then he should get a long ban.
FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 17:03 - Mar 6 by J2BLUE
I really hope that wasn't deliberate from Mings. Neville seemed to jump the gun by calling it cowardly. If the FA think it was deliberate then he should get a long ban.
If Mings did deliberately stamp on Ibra's head, that's a bad offence & IMO worse than Ibra's elbow revenge so I can see why they might give him a longer ban. The problem is that it's impossible to prove conclusively that the stamp was deliberate - only Mings really knows the answer. Normally in these situations, the panel asks themselves "if it was a team mate lying on the ground, would he have avoided him" & then use balance of probability.
On the grounds that Marouane Fellaini gets away with deliberately elbowing defenders in the head all the time then I can't see that they will come down on Ibrahimovic as he always does exactly the same. The FA seem to accept that elbowing in the head is not against the rules.
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FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 17:24 - Mar 6 with 2674 views
FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 17:18 - Mar 6 by Radlett_blue
If Mings did deliberately stamp on Ibra's head, that's a bad offence & IMO worse than Ibra's elbow revenge so I can see why they might give him a longer ban. The problem is that it's impossible to prove conclusively that the stamp was deliberate - only Mings really knows the answer. Normally in these situations, the panel asks themselves "if it was a team mate lying on the ground, would he have avoided him" & then use balance of probability.
Having watched it several times since, I agree that it's impossible to know. Mings does seem to be heading towards where the ball was in the quickest way possible rather than going out of his way to jump over Ibra.
Therefore, a very long ban will heighten the suspicion of the FA expressed in the OP. Logically a three game ban for both allowing for it being accidental is the FA's best route out.
And we'll probably get Kevin Friend next home match.
FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 17:18 - Mar 6 by Radlett_blue
If Mings did deliberately stamp on Ibra's head, that's a bad offence & IMO worse than Ibra's elbow revenge so I can see why they might give him a longer ban. The problem is that it's impossible to prove conclusively that the stamp was deliberate - only Mings really knows the answer. Normally in these situations, the panel asks themselves "if it was a team mate lying on the ground, would he have avoided him" & then use balance of probability.
We all know that Tyrone was never in any way malicious in his time here; he was however clumsy or sloppy on odd occasions. There are one or two players you would not give the benefit of the doubt to but TM is bright enough to know that all eyes will be on him from now on. Leniency to both players would be in order. Wayne Rooney on the other hand....
FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 17:25 - Mar 6 by Steve_M
Having watched it several times since, I agree that it's impossible to know. Mings does seem to be heading towards where the ball was in the quickest way possible rather than going out of his way to jump over Ibra.
Therefore, a very long ban will heighten the suspicion of the FA expressed in the OP. Logically a three game ban for both allowing for it being accidental is the FA's best route out.
And we'll probably get Kevin Friend next home match.
It seemed to me that Mings saw Rooney getting up and tried to avoid him but hit Ibrahimovic's pony tail when he landed. That should be his story anyway.
Ibra was definitely out to get Mings too so it was six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Not sure how the FA see it though and normally Man U get the benefit of the doubt. The fact that Rooney said he saw it all when the photos obviously show him looking the other way should be taken into account!
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FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 19:32 - Mar 6 with 2431 views
FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 17:18 - Mar 6 by Radlett_blue
If Mings did deliberately stamp on Ibra's head, that's a bad offence & IMO worse than Ibra's elbow revenge so I can see why they might give him a longer ban. The problem is that it's impossible to prove conclusively that the stamp was deliberate - only Mings really knows the answer. Normally in these situations, the panel asks themselves "if it was a team mate lying on the ground, would he have avoided him" & then use balance of probability.
Agree that it can't be proven from his actions imo, which is why it rankles. He caught him, obviously, but there's no movement towards Ibra other than his natural stride as he gets back in position. Mings doesn't even look at him.
I could understand a charge of dangerous play because he isn't taking care and obviously endangered his opponent. But deliberate violent conduct can't be proven from the video evidence imo. There's nothing there to suggest it was a deliberate stamp.
Whereas Ibrahimovic's elbow is as blatant as it comes.
FIFA seem unreasonably biased to me. It will be interesting to see what the referee panel makes of it.
FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 17:25 - Mar 6 by Steve_M
Having watched it several times since, I agree that it's impossible to know. Mings does seem to be heading towards where the ball was in the quickest way possible rather than going out of his way to jump over Ibra.
Therefore, a very long ban will heighten the suspicion of the FA expressed in the OP. Logically a three game ban for both allowing for it being accidental is the FA's best route out.
And we'll probably get Kevin Friend next home match.
They also need to factor in as Mings goes to jump over him Ronney gets up and knocks Mings which clearly impacts Mings. Plus Mings probably thought he had sramped on that stupid ponytail
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FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 19:52 - Mar 6 with 2333 views
i think it's purely because an elbow is a 3 match ban and a stamp on the head warrants more if deliberate. It is yet to be determined whether it is considered deliberate.
i think the Zlatan one will be seen as deliberate. You use your arms to leap but you don't swing elbows out like that.
And if that is the case it would then be difficult to let Mings off scot-free. In his case it could have been accidental, deliberate or somewhere in between (not taking enough care to avoid?)
FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 19:57 - Mar 6 by Trequartista
i think the Zlatan one will be seen as deliberate. You use your arms to leap but you don't swing elbows out like that.
And if that is the case it would then be difficult to let Mings off scot-free. In his case it could have been accidental, deliberate or somewhere in between (not taking enough care to avoid?)
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FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 20:05 - Mar 6 with 2256 views
I have sympathy with that view to a certain extent, but we need to get rid of diving, falling over easily, cheating etc before we start excusing deliberate elbows. Zlatans collapsing to the ground that got the Bournemouth chap sent off for starters.
FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 20:18 - Mar 6 by Trequartista
I have sympathy with that view to a certain extent, but we need to get rid of diving, falling over easily, cheating etc before we start excusing deliberate elbows. Zlatans collapsing to the ground that got the Bournemouth chap sent off for starters.
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FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 23:11 - Mar 6 with 2033 views
FA coming down on the side of the big team again on 17:18 - Mar 6 by Radlett_blue
If Mings did deliberately stamp on Ibra's head, that's a bad offence & IMO worse than Ibra's elbow revenge so I can see why they might give him a longer ban. The problem is that it's impossible to prove conclusively that the stamp was deliberate - only Mings really knows the answer. Normally in these situations, the panel asks themselves "if it was a team mate lying on the ground, would he have avoided him" & then use balance of probability.
wasn't there another angle in line with the way Mings was running and his leg was at the side of his head
The angle we keep seeing makes it look more clear cut
Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
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