| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA 21:16 - Jun 7 with 1969 views | factual_blue |
Including Gerry Adams? |  |
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| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:20 - Jun 7 with 1956 views | connorscontract |
I'd think that was a very sensible thing to do, and that it probably contributed to the peace process.
A shame that in her determination to push through a "Hard Brexit" that wasn't part of the Referendum, the Tory PM is putting at risk the open border between Northern Ireland and Eire which is a central plank of the peace process that those discussions led to. |  | | |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:23 - Jun 7 with 1945 views | m14_blue |
I get where you're coming from but it really isn't necessary.
Labour have a positive vision for the future and a manifesto that clearly explains that vision. It won't be for everyone but it's there to be judged. They don't need to resort to the personal attacks that have defined the Tory campaign. | | | |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:25 - Jun 7 with 1937 views | factual_blue |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:20 - Jun 7 by connorscontract |
I'd think that was a very sensible thing to do, and that it probably contributed to the peace process.
A shame that in her determination to push through a "Hard Brexit" that wasn't part of the Referendum, the Tory PM is putting at risk the open border between Northern Ireland and Eire which is a central plank of the peace process that those discussions led to. |
Given it took place a quarter century before the Good Friday agreement, it doesn't appear to have done much good | |
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| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:25 - Jun 7 with 1931 views | blueislander |
When was that? Surely the IRA was effectively disbanded some time ago? Albeit there are still a few renegades who would keep the movement alive. | | | |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:31 - Jun 7 with 1910 views | factual_blue |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:25 - Jun 7 by blueislander |
When was that? Surely the IRA was effectively disbanded some time ago? Albeit there are still a few renegades who would keep the movement alive. |
1972. Efforts to bring about a power sharing agreement at that time were destroyed by the unionists. | |
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| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:35 - Jun 7 with 1901 views | blueislander |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:31 - Jun 7 by factual_blue |
1972. Efforts to bring about a power sharing agreement at that time were destroyed by the unionists. |
So presumably there were negotiations going on with both sides? The IRA only really stsrted military activities a few years later though. | | | |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:46 - Jun 7 with 1883 views | factual_blue |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:35 - Jun 7 by blueislander |
So presumably there were negotiations going on with both sides? The IRA only really stsrted military activities a few years later though. |
The unmitigated disaster of the Bloody Sunday massacre in January 1972 had of course caused a massive surge in IRA recruitment before Whitelaw's talks started some seven months later. | |
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| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:47 - Jun 7 with 1877 views | factual_blue |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:23 - Jun 7 by m14_blue |
I get where you're coming from but it really isn't necessary.
Labour have a positive vision for the future and a manifesto that clearly explains that vision. It won't be for everyone but it's there to be judged. They don't need to resort to the personal attacks that have defined the Tory campaign. |
Of course, but others keep bringing up this ridiculous red herring, so it's worth reminding the narrow or small-minded that the real world is rather more complicated.
And of course, whilst there is an argument that there is a qualitative difference between a Minister of the Crown conducting secret negotiations, and a 'mere' Member of Parliament meeting with the same people, the issue isn't really presented in those terms, is it? [Post edited 7 Jun 2017 22:49]
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| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 22:11 - Jun 7 with 1837 views | m14_blue |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:47 - Jun 7 by factual_blue |
Of course, but others keep bringing up this ridiculous red herring, so it's worth reminding the narrow or small-minded that the real world is rather more complicated.
And of course, whilst there is an argument that there is a qualitative difference between a Minister of the Crown conducting secret negotiations, and a 'mere' Member of Parliament meeting with the same people, the issue isn't really presented in those terms, is it? [Post edited 7 Jun 2017 22:49]
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Fair enough. | | | |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 22:20 - Jun 7 with 1822 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:47 - Jun 7 by factual_blue |
Of course, but others keep bringing up this ridiculous red herring, so it's worth reminding the narrow or small-minded that the real world is rather more complicated.
And of course, whilst there is an argument that there is a qualitative difference between a Minister of the Crown conducting secret negotiations, and a 'mere' Member of Parliament meeting with the same people, the issue isn't really presented in those terms, is it? [Post edited 7 Jun 2017 22:49]
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Of course nobody should criticise the government of the UK holding talks with all sides in order to bring about an end to the conflict. Whether that be Heath, Wilson, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major or Blair Blair. They are in a position to negotiate and open dialogue.
They did not honour IRA dead
They did not praise IRA terrorists
They did not excuse IRA terrorism
They did speak at pro IRA meetings
They did not share the aims of the IRA.
Only the narrow or small-minded would try to compare government leaders initiating peace talks with support and apology for terrorist organisations. [Post edited 7 Jun 2017 22:21]
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| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 23:54 - Jun 7 with 1745 views | Swansea_Blue |
I think there's quite a big difference between Thatcher, who was found to be conducting secret negotiations with the IRA, including a sweetener deal involving a royal pardon for a convicted killer just months after the Brighton bombings, all at a time whilst lying to tus the public that she was strong and stable and wouldn't negotiate with terrorists.
And Corbyn, who as far as I am aware has attended events at which dead IRA terrorists were honoured. But who hasn't denied it and has repeatedly stated he's against all terrorist violence. Hasn't made concessions with terrorists (because he's never been in a position to) and has never arranged for a royal pardon for a convicted terrorist. Even if his views are iffy to say the least. |  |
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| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 23:59 - Jun 7 with 1736 views | connorscontract |
| What do we think of a tory cabinet minister who held secret talks with the IRA on 21:25 - Jun 7 by factual_blue |
Given it took place a quarter century before the Good Friday agreement, it doesn't appear to have done much good |
And again later under Heath, and under Thatcher, and under Major... | | | |
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