| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE 22:33 - Mar 16 with 1270 views | unstableblue |
Come on UK PLC and government, NOW!
Italy has been moving army technicians into ventilator manufacturers to increase production capacity... we need massive capacity growth and worst case contingency planning right NOW
No pubs and no football to boot.... Jesus
We shall overcome though, and hopefully with a better society, enriched by caring and solidarity
Unlike in the US, where they are queuing at gun stores! (too much Walking Dead) |  |
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| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 22:37 - Mar 16 with 1259 views | BlueBadger |
And again...
Ventilator machine production push seem positive.... by BlueBadger 15 Mar 2020 10:08It's no good panic-buying ventilators if you don't have enough trained people to look after those requiring ventilation. Training someone to effectively, confidently and safely use a ventilator unsupervised is a good six months in the making.
Added to this, critical care nursing is notoriously and by neccessity, labour-intensive. Best practice is that anyone who is ventilated should be one-to-one nursed. Nursing recruitment both domestically and overseas has been dropping steadily since 2016 thanks to the spectacularly dim-witted and short sighted government polices of removal of student nurse bursaries and Brexit.
It's also worth considering that the UK has nearly half the per-capita capacity of critical care beds than Italy does.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/03/12/the-countries-with-the-most-critical-care-beds-per-capita-infographic/#5748ecef7f86
Physical space is another issue as well, the critical care unit at [redacted] hospital has space for 11 beds, but only 8 of those have enough room for a full ITU setup of ventilator, fluid and infusion pumps, dialysis machine, monitoring, etc, etc.
Stocks and supplies is another - ventilation isn't just about the machines - there's a lot of consumables associated with ventilators - tubing, filters and additional monitoring kit.
Added to this, despite the weasel words in the Mail yesterday, subjecting the 'most frail' to mechanical ventilation is invariably cruel, futile and undignified.
'More ventilators' isn't the answer, decent prevention, infection control and prompt, appropriate first-line treatment is.
Not to mention that ventilators are surprisingly complicated pieces of kit to put together. It's really not as simple as asking Rolls Royce to bang out a couple.
Plus, you can't 'make' oxygen, what with it being an element and all.
And frankly, 'come on UK' isn't the technical approach we need right now... [Post edited 16 Mar 2020 22:42]
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| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 22:44 - Mar 16 with 1208 views | monytowbray |
| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 22:37 - Mar 16 by BlueBadger |
And again...
Ventilator machine production push seem positive.... by BlueBadger 15 Mar 2020 10:08It's no good panic-buying ventilators if you don't have enough trained people to look after those requiring ventilation. Training someone to effectively, confidently and safely use a ventilator unsupervised is a good six months in the making.
Added to this, critical care nursing is notoriously and by neccessity, labour-intensive. Best practice is that anyone who is ventilated should be one-to-one nursed. Nursing recruitment both domestically and overseas has been dropping steadily since 2016 thanks to the spectacularly dim-witted and short sighted government polices of removal of student nurse bursaries and Brexit.
It's also worth considering that the UK has nearly half the per-capita capacity of critical care beds than Italy does.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/03/12/the-countries-with-the-most-critical-care-beds-per-capita-infographic/#5748ecef7f86
Physical space is another issue as well, the critical care unit at [redacted] hospital has space for 11 beds, but only 8 of those have enough room for a full ITU setup of ventilator, fluid and infusion pumps, dialysis machine, monitoring, etc, etc.
Stocks and supplies is another - ventilation isn't just about the machines - there's a lot of consumables associated with ventilators - tubing, filters and additional monitoring kit.
Added to this, despite the weasel words in the Mail yesterday, subjecting the 'most frail' to mechanical ventilation is invariably cruel, futile and undignified.
'More ventilators' isn't the answer, decent prevention, infection control and prompt, appropriate first-line treatment is.
Not to mention that ventilators are surprisingly complicated pieces of kit to put together. It's really not as simple as asking Rolls Royce to bang out a couple.
Plus, you can't 'make' oxygen, what with it being an element and all.
And frankly, 'come on UK' isn't the technical approach we need right now... [Post edited 16 Mar 2020 22:42]
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I did giggle at the oxygen part.
How’s the frontlines Badger? Still the calm? |  |
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| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 22:51 - Mar 16 with 1187 views | BlueBadger |
| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 22:44 - Mar 16 by monytowbray |
I did giggle at the oxygen part.
How’s the frontlines Badger? Still the calm? |
Busy day today, but nearly all non-respiratory stuff. One lady into ITU as a 'suspected' but clinical picture really not that suggestive of a covid-19. Malingerers still mostly staying away. | |
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| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 00:20 - Mar 17 with 1113 views | jeera |
I just saw some lady post this online. No agenda here - it just made me laugh a bit:
" Meanwhile in Happy Birthday land, we are getting Brexit done by keeping all our borders open!" |  |
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| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 07:25 - Mar 17 with 995 views | hampstead_blue |
Are you aware that's already happening.
Army Field Hospitals are already ready to go and have been for a while. |  |
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Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 07:40 - Mar 17 with 978 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Its a bit late for this sort of nonsense.
The only solution is to elect a government that cares about its citizens and introduces higher taxes to pay for things like health care.
If that happens this year - then maybe people will remember corona virus and stop voting for the party which has destroyed health care and social support in this country. |  |
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| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 08:44 - Mar 17 with 925 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 22:37 - Mar 16 by BlueBadger |
And again...
Ventilator machine production push seem positive.... by BlueBadger 15 Mar 2020 10:08It's no good panic-buying ventilators if you don't have enough trained people to look after those requiring ventilation. Training someone to effectively, confidently and safely use a ventilator unsupervised is a good six months in the making.
Added to this, critical care nursing is notoriously and by neccessity, labour-intensive. Best practice is that anyone who is ventilated should be one-to-one nursed. Nursing recruitment both domestically and overseas has been dropping steadily since 2016 thanks to the spectacularly dim-witted and short sighted government polices of removal of student nurse bursaries and Brexit.
It's also worth considering that the UK has nearly half the per-capita capacity of critical care beds than Italy does.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/03/12/the-countries-with-the-most-critical-care-beds-per-capita-infographic/#5748ecef7f86
Physical space is another issue as well, the critical care unit at [redacted] hospital has space for 11 beds, but only 8 of those have enough room for a full ITU setup of ventilator, fluid and infusion pumps, dialysis machine, monitoring, etc, etc.
Stocks and supplies is another - ventilation isn't just about the machines - there's a lot of consumables associated with ventilators - tubing, filters and additional monitoring kit.
Added to this, despite the weasel words in the Mail yesterday, subjecting the 'most frail' to mechanical ventilation is invariably cruel, futile and undignified.
'More ventilators' isn't the answer, decent prevention, infection control and prompt, appropriate first-line treatment is.
Not to mention that ventilators are surprisingly complicated pieces of kit to put together. It's really not as simple as asking Rolls Royce to bang out a couple.
Plus, you can't 'make' oxygen, what with it being an element and all.
And frankly, 'come on UK' isn't the technical approach we need right now... [Post edited 16 Mar 2020 22:42]
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Might be easier if this becomes a sticky!
Not sure what you lot in the NHS have been doing, letting trained staff go, not bothering to fill vacancies and not buying enough beds. Dreams even has bed sales on pretty much all the time  |  |
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| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 09:18 - Mar 17 with 894 views | Ojc |
| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 07:25 - Mar 17 by hampstead_blue |
Are you aware that's already happening.
Army Field Hospitals are already ready to go and have been for a while. |
Have they? I was going to ask what sort of readiness are the army currently at? | | | |
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| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 09:31 - Mar 17 with 874 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 07:40 - Mar 17 by ElephantintheRoom |
Its a bit late for this sort of nonsense.
The only solution is to elect a government that cares about its citizens and introduces higher taxes to pay for things like health care.
If that happens this year - then maybe people will remember corona virus and stop voting for the party which has destroyed health care and social support in this country. |
Three downvotes for a government that cares about its citizens. We're fecked  | |
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| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 09:47 - Mar 17 with 849 views | hampstead_blue |
| Build ventilators, build bed capacity, make oxygen - LARGE SCALE on 09:18 - Mar 17 by Ojc |
Have they? I was going to ask what sort of readiness are the army currently at? |
It's been happening for a while.
Under Welly Barracks in London there are is one. A mate who is serving at 16 Med Reg in Colly is chasing his tail.
My two boys, serving, are getting prepped. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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