| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 11:48 - Nov 13 with 1478 views | LankHenners |
As you'd expect from The Athletic writing about Keane it's very selective about who it talks to from the ex-Town players and tries to excuse his time here a bit but Clegg calls him pretty well in his quotes there. I appreciate it's not quite the angle but it doesn't really go into why he failed here.
Obvious to any of us but it makes it clear that whilst he could be alright to those he liked, he was a pretty atrocious man manager on the whole and clearly whilst it worked at Sunderland (for a time) it never materialised here.
It, and the comments section, does sum up the general attitude to Keane though - basically most of the football world thinks he's some sort of flawed genius and it 'didn't work out for him' at Town, whereas most Town fans think he's an idiot who set the tone for a decade or more of tragedy. |  |
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| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 12:32 - Nov 13 with 1411 views | Darth_Koont |
| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 11:48 - Nov 13 by LankHenners |
As you'd expect from The Athletic writing about Keane it's very selective about who it talks to from the ex-Town players and tries to excuse his time here a bit but Clegg calls him pretty well in his quotes there. I appreciate it's not quite the angle but it doesn't really go into why he failed here.
Obvious to any of us but it makes it clear that whilst he could be alright to those he liked, he was a pretty atrocious man manager on the whole and clearly whilst it worked at Sunderland (for a time) it never materialised here.
It, and the comments section, does sum up the general attitude to Keane though - basically most of the football world thinks he's some sort of flawed genius and it 'didn't work out for him' at Town, whereas most Town fans think he's an idiot who set the tone for a decade or more of tragedy. |
Isn’t that also how Jim was? Certainly based on elements of his time here but also when he was an outsider coming in at QPR.
It seems that the only manager who really got the man-management balance right has been Mick. I don’t really count Jewell as he seemed to be a likeable but ultimately weak manager, and he could have done with a bit more fire I think.
The man-management quality seems so important that I hope we always recruit managers with that skill at the top of the criteria. It also seems to be a skill that people can’t really learn on the job or delegate to a coach so it should dictate any shortlist.
Not really sure where Lambert fits in. We’ve seen a Jewellesque switching of approaches over the past 2 years with several different “teams” being built so hard to pin down. So far he’s been a bit of everything and I hope the latest team is one he can actually start managing. |  |
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| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 12:38 - Nov 13 with 1386 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 12:32 - Nov 13 by Darth_Koont |
Isn’t that also how Jim was? Certainly based on elements of his time here but also when he was an outsider coming in at QPR.
It seems that the only manager who really got the man-management balance right has been Mick. I don’t really count Jewell as he seemed to be a likeable but ultimately weak manager, and he could have done with a bit more fire I think.
The man-management quality seems so important that I hope we always recruit managers with that skill at the top of the criteria. It also seems to be a skill that people can’t really learn on the job or delegate to a coach so it should dictate any shortlist.
Not really sure where Lambert fits in. We’ve seen a Jewellesque switching of approaches over the past 2 years with several different “teams” being built so hard to pin down. So far he’s been a bit of everything and I hope the latest team is one he can actually start managing. |
Problem is no one gives anyone time.
A player can have a good 3-4 games be solid enough. Hen one bad game and suddenly he needs to be dropped. Not good enough. Can't understand why he's played all those games. |  |
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| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 12:46 - Nov 13 with 1353 views | LankHenners |
| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 12:32 - Nov 13 by Darth_Koont |
Isn’t that also how Jim was? Certainly based on elements of his time here but also when he was an outsider coming in at QPR.
It seems that the only manager who really got the man-management balance right has been Mick. I don’t really count Jewell as he seemed to be a likeable but ultimately weak manager, and he could have done with a bit more fire I think.
The man-management quality seems so important that I hope we always recruit managers with that skill at the top of the criteria. It also seems to be a skill that people can’t really learn on the job or delegate to a coach so it should dictate any shortlist.
Not really sure where Lambert fits in. We’ve seen a Jewellesque switching of approaches over the past 2 years with several different “teams” being built so hard to pin down. So far he’s been a bit of everything and I hope the latest team is one he can actually start managing. |
There's probably a line between not being a great man manager and just being totally antagonistic. I think Jim said in his interview with Phil that it was something he recognised he needed to work on here and felt he would've become better with it had he been given time.
Mick's man management was outstanding and Hurst was clearly a million miles away from those standards. Agree Jewell very much a nice guy and I remember Carlos Edwards saying after he left something along the lines of him becoming almost too nice in a way where he had lost the harder edge he had when he first came in and struggled to be motivational.
I'm not really convinced by Lambert's skills in that regard, the players don't often seem to play with much belief for any decent amount of time which can come under the manager's remit to have them suitably motivated. He's an upgrade on Hurst for sure but some of his public comments and some of the 'def info' regarding his behind closed doors behaviour don't give a glowing impression. | |
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| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 14:34 - Nov 13 with 1225 views | SouperJim |
Can any of you fellas copy and paste whats behind the paywall, I'd be interested to read that. |  |
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| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 14:44 - Nov 13 with 1185 views | hype313 |
| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 14:34 - Nov 13 by SouperJim |
Can any of you fellas copy and paste whats behind the paywall, I'd be interested to read that. |
Sign up, it's only £1.99 a month, and it does have some great content. |  |
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| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 16:35 - Nov 13 with 1048 views | BlueyandCrazy |
| What it’s like to play for Roy Keane, by the players who did it on 11:48 - Nov 13 by LankHenners |
As you'd expect from The Athletic writing about Keane it's very selective about who it talks to from the ex-Town players and tries to excuse his time here a bit but Clegg calls him pretty well in his quotes there. I appreciate it's not quite the angle but it doesn't really go into why he failed here.
Obvious to any of us but it makes it clear that whilst he could be alright to those he liked, he was a pretty atrocious man manager on the whole and clearly whilst it worked at Sunderland (for a time) it never materialised here.
It, and the comments section, does sum up the general attitude to Keane though - basically most of the football world thinks he's some sort of flawed genius and it 'didn't work out for him' at Town, whereas most Town fans think he's an idiot who set the tone for a decade or more of tragedy. |
Should have spoken to Jonny Walters and Owen Garvan to get a more balanced view. He signed Carlos twice and made Norris captain, so they would look on him kindly.
Having said that I do think there is wider acknowledgement that he isn't cut for management - he should have got us promoted on the budget he had, but nearly took us down and it says something that he hasn't had a managers job since leaving itfc. |  |
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