| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? 07:46 - Dec 2 with 895 views | George25 |
I feel now that every town fan I speak too is against him. MM had his haters but there was a large number of supporters that where still behind him. So surely is inevitable for him to go? |  | | |  |
| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 07:48 - Dec 2 with 883 views | DanTheMan |
Way worse imo. |  |
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| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 07:52 - Dec 2 with 863 views | wkj |
It is more unified. I do think Mick had done all he could at ITFC and he probably stayed on a little longer than he should have done - although a lot of the vitriol he received was way over the top.
I think the dissent for Lambert is a mix of people upset with what he's done with Phil, an atrocious win record and erratic press engagement. Mix that with people no longer willing to give Evans the benefit of the doubt for all his good feeling comments, articles and long term plans (that utterly fail).
I really don't feel that most of us have anything holding us back inside anymore and are feeling that Evans wants us to support a club that he isn't making enough of a time investment to itfc (before even mentioning money) [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 8:24]
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| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 07:56 - Dec 2 with 840 views | George25 |
| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 07:52 - Dec 2 by wkj |
It is more unified. I do think Mick had done all he could at ITFC and he probably stayed on a little longer than he should have done - although a lot of the vitriol he received was way over the top.
I think the dissent for Lambert is a mix of people upset with what he's done with Phil, an atrocious win record and erratic press engagement. Mix that with people no longer willing to give Evans the benefit of the doubt for all his good feeling comments, articles and long term plans (that utterly fail).
I really don't feel that most of us have anything holding us back inside anymore and are feeling that Evans wants us to support a club that he isn't making enough of a time investment to itfc (before even mentioning money) [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 8:24]
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Yh. At least with MM they players where still playing for him. But now some of players I think are against him. You can tell dobra pissed off with him, when he came off lambert move away and didn’t go up to him. | | | |
| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 08:00 - Dec 2 with 821 views | Chrisd |
What's really disappointing is the one good thing PL did was trying to unify the club with the fans again when he first arrived, but by the time he leaves that will be at an all time low and will need rebuilding again. Sadly, our problems run far deeper than just PL leaving, however it would be a tiny step in the right direction. |  |
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| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 08:01 - Dec 2 with 811 views | George25 |
| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 07:52 - Dec 2 by wkj |
It is more unified. I do think Mick had done all he could at ITFC and he probably stayed on a little longer than he should have done - although a lot of the vitriol he received was way over the top.
I think the dissent for Lambert is a mix of people upset with what he's done with Phil, an atrocious win record and erratic press engagement. Mix that with people no longer willing to give Evans the benefit of the doubt for all his good feeling comments, articles and long term plans (that utterly fail).
I really don't feel that most of us have anything holding us back inside anymore and are feeling that Evans wants us to support a club that he isn't making enough of a time investment to itfc (before even mentioning money) [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 8:24]
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On the money side. Evans would be great owner if he stabilised the books. Atm he pays an average £10m a year to cover losses. If he had a sustainable model it would allow him to move the 10m into spending it on team each season. The frustration is tho that there are teams they got out of league one with no finances. All you need is a good game plan and be consistent week in week out. Look at Wycombe and Coventry. | | | |
| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 08:18 - Dec 2 with 761 views | Chrisd |
| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 08:01 - Dec 2 by George25 |
On the money side. Evans would be great owner if he stabilised the books. Atm he pays an average £10m a year to cover losses. If he had a sustainable model it would allow him to move the 10m into spending it on team each season. The frustration is tho that there are teams they got out of league one with no finances. All you need is a good game plan and be consistent week in week out. Look at Wycombe and Coventry. |
ME, as an owner, has consistently shown he's not good enough either. We've got a lot of deeper running issues than just PL leaving which have been caused by ME's poor leadership mismanagement and under-funding. Look at the 5 point plan that gets rolled out at convenient times, do we really believe that is the master plan? They mention this occasionally and make tenuous links to it rather than actually having faith in it. PL leaving would be a step in the right direction, but the club needs a huge overhaul from top to bottom, but the main problem will still be here causing more damage with his lack of insight, funding and ambition. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 8:21]
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| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 08:25 - Dec 2 with 726 views | WubbleU |
| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 08:01 - Dec 2 by George25 |
On the money side. Evans would be great owner if he stabilised the books. Atm he pays an average £10m a year to cover losses. If he had a sustainable model it would allow him to move the 10m into spending it on team each season. The frustration is tho that there are teams they got out of league one with no finances. All you need is a good game plan and be consistent week in week out. Look at Wycombe and Coventry. |
He doesn't pay an average of £10m, he runs it at an average loss of £10m pa. There is a massive difference between paying £10m and running a business at a loss.
The only debatable point is whether the 10m loss is unavoidable in which case we are very lucky to have him, or if it is something he chooses to do as part of Marcus Evans group.
I may be wrong but my money is on the latter and our club has been destroyed by an astute businessman for his own benefit.
It has slight hints of Debenham or Arcadia. | | | |
| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 08:34 - Dec 2 with 688 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
With MM, whatever fans thought of his style of play he did have a few decent seasons and results to look back on. I thought it was time for MM to go, but could appreciate the good work he had done in his first few seasons.
PL doesn't have any highlights / track record to fall back on.
Despite ITFC giving managers more time than most, us fans will be seen as the villain here. |  |
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| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 08:41 - Dec 2 with 662 views | Herbivore |
Mick was more like Brexit, divisive and stirred up passions but even at the end he had support. Actually there were kind of three camps with Mick: the rabid outers (AKA the numbskulls) who were a minority but a vocal one, those who felt he'd done a good job but his time was up (sensible majority), and those who felt we should stick with him (tone deaf minority). There are about 3 people who still think Lambert is worth persisting with and they struggle to offer any kind of argument as to why. Everyone else quite rightly thinks he's a dick who needs to go ASAP. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 8:44]
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| Is the negativity worse than when MM left? on 08:53 - Dec 2 with 626 views | GodBlue |
My issue with Mick at the end was his belligerence. I got the feeling that he knew he could be doing better, but he wasn’t doing it. Either because he was fed up with the situation he was in, or because people were telling him he had to! He basically came out and said as much on a couple of occasions.
Lambert’s different. I don’t think he knows he can do better, because I think he knows he can’t! I think he realises he’s been found out. Now he’s backed into a corner like a wounded animal, scratching at anyone that comes too close (Phil, Brenner, the fans).
It feels like Lambert survives on a form of man-management that relies on him perpetuating this “we’re all in this together and it’s us against the world” vibe... which is a nice enough mantra, but there’s just no substance to it.
The words worked on most of us for a while, because we needed them to make us see a light at the end of the tunnel. But now we’re starting to question whether it was ever more than just words... and the answer seems to be a resounding ‘no’.
But words are all he has, and not many of them at that - you know he played it Germany?! So now he’s having to redefine the ‘us’ in “us against the world”. A year ago it was ‘the town of Ipswich against the world’, now it’s ‘Ipswich Town against the world’. That never ends well!
Long winded answer, sorry - I’m ranting a lot this week, after being silent for almost 20 years on here - but the long and short of it is that I’m not sure whether or not the feeling is more negative now than under Mick, but I am 100% certain that the repercussions will be if something doesn’t change very soon. |  |
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