| Israel gonna Israel on 09:26 - Sep 4 with 1404 views | Darth_Koont |
Definitely not apartheid. |  |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 09:29 - Sep 4 with 1379 views | ZXBlue |
People routinely criticise them.
And quite rightly. |  | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:33 - Sep 4 with 1346 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:29 - Sep 4 by ZXBlue |
People routinely criticise them.
And quite rightly. |
Who criticises Israel? Which parties, newspapers or prominent individuals?
It’s ridiculously limited. Let’s not pretend otherwise. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 09:39 - Sep 4 with 1321 views | ZXBlue |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:33 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
Who criticises Israel? Which parties, newspapers or prominent individuals?
It’s ridiculously limited. Let’s not pretend otherwise. |
Seriously? | | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:41 - Sep 4 with 1318 views | blueislander |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:33 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
Who criticises Israel? Which parties, newspapers or prominent individuals?
It’s ridiculously limited. Let’s not pretend otherwise. |
Iran? | | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:41 - Sep 4 with 1313 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:39 - Sep 4 by ZXBlue |
Seriously? |
Deadly serious. Who? [Post edited 4 Sep 2022 9:43]
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| Israel gonna Israel on 09:42 - Sep 4 with 1298 views | Darth_Koont |
True! I was thinking more of the West and the UK’s record in particular. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 09:46 - Sep 4 with 1265 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
The BBC is not really critical of Saudi bombing Yemen either, it just reports the news.
It’s not the conspiracy you think it is… | | | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 09:50 - Sep 4 with 1229 views | lowhouseblue |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:42 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
True! I was thinking more of the West and the UK’s record in particular. |
i'm not sure iran was really being suggested as a role model.
in fact, some criticism of iran would be good. |  |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 09:52 - Sep 4 with 1217 views | noggin |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:46 - Sep 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The BBC is not really critical of Saudi bombing Yemen either, it just reports the news.
It’s not the conspiracy you think it is… |
The media, including the BBC, is clearly more interested in reporting the bombing of Ukraine than that in Yemen, but then Saudi is our ally I suppose. |  |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 09:53 - Sep 4 with 1196 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:50 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
i'm not sure iran was really being suggested as a role model.
in fact, some criticism of iran would be good. |
Really? Thanks for that. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 09:57 - Sep 4 with 1164 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:52 - Sep 4 by noggin |
The media, including the BBC, is clearly more interested in reporting the bombing of Ukraine than that in Yemen, but then Saudi is our ally I suppose. |
Exactly. It’s not so much that we support such regimes and their wars/occupations against innocent men, women and children.
But incredible that there’s little to no political, media or public debate about it. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 09:58 - Sep 4 with 1151 views | lowhouseblue |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:53 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
Really? Thanks for that. |
how many threads / posts have you provided on iran's appalling abuse of human rights and its violence beyond its borders? v. how many threads / posts have you provided criticising israel? how many people who appear on, and are paid by, iranian state tv have you supported or praised? why the double standards? | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:01 - Sep 4 with 1143 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:52 - Sep 4 by noggin |
The media, including the BBC, is clearly more interested in reporting the bombing of Ukraine than that in Yemen, but then Saudi is our ally I suppose. |
So it’s not because it’s the biggest scale war on our continent since world war 2? And has created 4m refugees. There are probably more bombs/shells hitting Ukraine in a week than the entire Yemen conflict, it’s not really comparable in magnitude. | | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:02 - Sep 4 with 1138 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:58 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
how many threads / posts have you provided on iran's appalling abuse of human rights and its violence beyond its borders? v. how many threads / posts have you provided criticising israel? how many people who appear on, and are paid by, iranian state tv have you supported or praised? why the double standards? |
I’m talking about the UK and us not just turning a blind eye to oppression but not even questioning our strategic support of that oppression.
And why do people talk about this stuff on Iranian TV or Al Jazeera? Exactly because it’s pretty much blocked or ignored anywhere else. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:07 - Sep 4 with 1112 views | leitrimblue |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:57 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
Exactly. It’s not so much that we support such regimes and their wars/occupations against innocent men, women and children.
But incredible that there’s little to no political, media or public debate about it. |
I like you Darth, but you have clearly forgotten that the West Bank is a Jewish entitlement from god and that any territorial compromise with the Palestinians negates the process of the coming of the messiah |  | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:08 - Sep 4 with 1099 views | lowhouseblue |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:02 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
I’m talking about the UK and us not just turning a blind eye to oppression but not even questioning our strategic support of that oppression.
And why do people talk about this stuff on Iranian TV or Al Jazeera? Exactly because it’s pretty much blocked or ignored anywhere else. |
so the press reporting on ukraine but not yemen = double standards.
dk obsessively focusing on israel and never mentioning the appalling regime in iran while actively supporting its propaganda arm = absolutely fine, nothing to see here.
lovely. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:09 - Sep 4 with 1103 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:01 - Sep 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
So it’s not because it’s the biggest scale war on our continent since world war 2? And has created 4m refugees. There are probably more bombs/shells hitting Ukraine in a week than the entire Yemen conflict, it’s not really comparable in magnitude. |
Deaths? Particularly of civilians who seem to be considered fair game?
I know brown Muslims aren’t box office in the same way as blonde Ukrainians but we need to have a lot better principles and standards.
If you’re saying that we care about Ukraine because it’s closer to affecting us, I’d agree you have a point. But the above still applies – we need much better standards. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:13 - Sep 4 with 1087 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:08 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
so the press reporting on ukraine but not yemen = double standards.
dk obsessively focusing on israel and never mentioning the appalling regime in iran while actively supporting its propaganda arm = absolutely fine, nothing to see here.
lovely. |
Calm down. You’re not making any sense.
For the record, I think anyone taking sides and supporting Israel or Iran rather than supporting the innocent people trapped between two hardline ideologies needs their head and their heart examined. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:14 - Sep 4 with 1084 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:01 - Sep 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
So it’s not because it’s the biggest scale war on our continent since world war 2? And has created 4m refugees. There are probably more bombs/shells hitting Ukraine in a week than the entire Yemen conflict, it’s not really comparable in magnitude. |
Small fry....
https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/war-yemen#:~:text=Meanwhile
"Meanwhile, the conflict continues to take a heavy toll on Yemeni civilians, making Yemen the world's worst humanitarian crisis. The UN estimates that 131,000 of the estimated 233,000 deaths in Yemen since 2015 are the result of indirect causes like food insecurity and lack of access health services." |  |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:16 - Sep 4 with 1065 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:09 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
Deaths? Particularly of civilians who seem to be considered fair game?
I know brown Muslims aren’t box office in the same way as blonde Ukrainians but we need to have a lot better principles and standards.
If you’re saying that we care about Ukraine because it’s closer to affecting us, I’d agree you have a point. But the above still applies – we need much better standards. |
I think it’s fairly obvious that Ukrainian civilians are fair game to Putin, whatever their hair colour.
There’s been roughly as many civilian deaths in Ukraine in just 6 months of fighting. It also risks spilling over into nuclear conflict involving the UK. The geopolitical significance is not even close. | | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:16 - Sep 4 with 1056 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:02 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
I’m talking about the UK and us not just turning a blind eye to oppression but not even questioning our strategic support of that oppression.
And why do people talk about this stuff on Iranian TV or Al Jazeera? Exactly because it’s pretty much blocked or ignored anywhere else. |
Talking of which....
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:21 - Sep 4 with 1025 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:16 - Sep 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I think it’s fairly obvious that Ukrainian civilians are fair game to Putin, whatever their hair colour.
There’s been roughly as many civilian deaths in Ukraine in just 6 months of fighting. It also risks spilling over into nuclear conflict involving the UK. The geopolitical significance is not even close. |
So we’re fully against Putin but arm, train and apologise for the Saudis because of the scale and geopolitical significance?
It’s an awful look. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:22 - Sep 4 with 1010 views | lowhouseblue |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:13 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
Calm down. You’re not making any sense.
For the record, I think anyone taking sides and supporting Israel or Iran rather than supporting the innocent people trapped between two hardline ideologies needs their head and their heart examined. |
but i thought the problem with the media was its failure to criticise israel? isn't that what you said?
and yet your failure to criticise iran - a really very evil regime - is plain for everyone to see. you even support its propaganda arm.
i mean, that does seem in a little inconsistent, no? | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:34 - Sep 4 with 974 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:22 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
but i thought the problem with the media was its failure to criticise israel? isn't that what you said?
and yet your failure to criticise iran - a really very evil regime - is plain for everyone to see. you even support its propaganda arm.
i mean, that does seem in a little inconsistent, no? |
I don’t agree with anyone supporting Iran and its regime on its own terms. But we’re talking about Press TV which allows media criticism of Israel and support for Palestinians within the West. At a time when the Palestinians are being ignored.
Would I prefer it to be on other outlets not connected to a backward regime? Absolutely. Show me the way.
Yet we do legitimise, support and even arm the Saudis and you have NOTHING to say about that because it’s not some pro-Palestinian left-wingers on a TV show …
Top tip: when discussing morality and standards, you probably need at least a passing acquaintance with them first. | |
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