| Latest poll 00:07 - Nov 17 with 1403 views | HARRY10 |
Gives the Tories 26% v Labour on 50%
Which would see Labour winning 475, and the Tories 79 seats- and even in so called Blue Wall seats it would amount to 341 v 214 in Labours favour
Sunak has certainly dumped much of the lunacy of Johnson and Truss, but has shown incompetence by retaining such failures as Williamson and Rabb. Meaning no claw back in the polls from the nightmare of Truss.
I doubt tomorrow's budget will harm them much, as Sunak and Hunt are well aware that any more rightie nonsense will not be tolerated by voters, and so I expect more sane measures to be unveiled.
But he and the party are stuck with the knowledge that they believed Johnson, Truss, Kwarteng, Dorries, Coffey, Hancock, Braverman, Rabb were fit for office, never mind the crooks, perverts and sexual deviants who have (and should have) resigned.
What was (a few months back) thought to be a slight hiccup in Labours favour now looks rather like it's a permanent trend. |  | | |  |
| Latest poll on 00:20 - Nov 17 with 1370 views | XYZ |
What little talent they had was kicked out by Johnson in 2019 for introducing him to reality.
What happened to the money that should have been spent on NHS salaries to keep them in line with 2010 levels?
7 million on waiting lists. Huge numbers dying whilst waiting for ambulances.
A Prime Minister and cabinet with private health insurance. | | | |
| Latest poll on 08:17 - Nov 17 with 1227 views | blueislander |
| Latest poll on 00:20 - Nov 17 by XYZ |
What little talent they had was kicked out by Johnson in 2019 for introducing him to reality.
What happened to the money that should have been spent on NHS salaries to keep them in line with 2010 levels?
7 million on waiting lists. Huge numbers dying whilst waiting for ambulances.
A Prime Minister and cabinet with private health insurance. |
£350 million a week more for the NHS.
Yep they got Brexit done. | | | |
| Latest poll on 08:18 - Nov 17 with 1227 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Sunak spoke very well indeed yesterday morning in extraordinary circumstances at his Press Conference responding to the missile deaths in Poland.
It was good to have an adult in the room for such an occasion. I shudder to think how Truss would have handled that, but it would definitely have involved some military cosplaying and posed photos looking seriously at maps.
Sunak will probably chip away at that Labour lead by convincing a few angry Tory voters to return, but it will take a monumental self-immolation by Starmer to throw this away now. Most Tory voters have reached the "Well, it's not good for democracy if the same party is in power too long" stage of acceptance now. | | | |
| Latest poll on 08:33 - Nov 17 with 1196 views | thebooks |
Austerity is lunacy. |  | | |
| Latest poll on 08:48 - Nov 17 with 1166 views | Churchman |
| Latest poll on 08:18 - Nov 17 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Sunak spoke very well indeed yesterday morning in extraordinary circumstances at his Press Conference responding to the missile deaths in Poland.
It was good to have an adult in the room for such an occasion. I shudder to think how Truss would have handled that, but it would definitely have involved some military cosplaying and posed photos looking seriously at maps.
Sunak will probably chip away at that Labour lead by convincing a few angry Tory voters to return, but it will take a monumental self-immolation by Starmer to throw this away now. Most Tory voters have reached the "Well, it's not good for democracy if the same party is in power too long" stage of acceptance now. |
Yes, Sunak speaks convincingly and looks the part. However he talked about integrity when he picked up Truss’ mess and promptly appointed people without any, so his judgement has to be questioned. There are people in his party who are ok but he chose the same old talentless shysters like Braverman, Raab (know for years to be useless) and the rest.
As far as I’m concerned they are still wedded to their long proven stupid ideologies, particularly trickle down economics, war on the public sector and will not face up to the Brexit disaster underpinning the UKs disaster. As multi millionaires they are personally insulated from all of it and don’t care.
People through fear of change will vote for them and I reckon they’ll scrape together 150 seats, as they did in the Blair years. More than they deserve. Given they represent about 5% of the population and there are about 600 seats, 30 is what they should get according to my poor maths. Doesn’t work like that, sadly.
The only threat to Labour is themselves. Starmer is dull but he comes across as competent. He is not alone in that. As long as they keep people like that Burgon bloke and Dodds, to name but two, away from the screen they’ll win by a massive landslide. |  | | |
| Latest poll on 13:27 - Nov 17 with 1049 views | HARRY10 |
Following the consistent Labour lead we now see that those who think the UK was right to leave the EU is down to 32%, dropping to 19* for the under 50s. I wonder what the figure would be for under 40s and then the under 30s ?
It is like there is a skeletal hand reaching up from the grave grasping onto the ankle of the younger generation. It is wrong for a generation, many retired. to be blocking the freedom of the younger generation to travel, work and study as they did. Closing the door on the outside world to impose an isolationist approach.
And it is not as if the consequences of Brexit have now ended. In fact the destruction has only begun, as business investment is down again. The trade figures and GDP point to the UK being worse off than other comparable countries.
The huge obstacles exporters now face will certainly cause businesses to continue to move abroad, as will the labour shortage.
The move back towards our biggest trading bloc, our nearest as well, needs to be speeded up, as much of what has been lost will not be recovered. We cannot afford to lose more ie the City now overtaken by the Paris Bourse | | | |
| Latest poll on 15:15 - Nov 17 with 985 views | OldFart71 |
Although I don't see the Tories getting in come the next GE because they have been burning their bridges as they go doubt Labour will achieve very much in their tenure because unlike previous time where the Labour Party have left a huge deficit behind the shoe will be on the other foot. Sunak has to be commended for the furlough scheme, but many things that happened under Johnson and Truss have led to where we are now. Too much kneejerk reaction during the early stages of the pandemic leading to those in care homes dying. Bad procurement of PPE and the furlough scheme being abused. Truss /Kamikaze Kwarteng's mini budget and even the BoE's slowness to stop pouring money into the economy causing inflation and then being slow to raise interest rates. | | | |
| Latest poll on 16:37 - Nov 17 with 912 views | DJR |
| Latest poll on 08:18 - Nov 17 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Sunak spoke very well indeed yesterday morning in extraordinary circumstances at his Press Conference responding to the missile deaths in Poland.
It was good to have an adult in the room for such an occasion. I shudder to think how Truss would have handled that, but it would definitely have involved some military cosplaying and posed photos looking seriously at maps.
Sunak will probably chip away at that Labour lead by convincing a few angry Tory voters to return, but it will take a monumental self-immolation by Starmer to throw this away now. Most Tory voters have reached the "Well, it's not good for democracy if the same party is in power too long" stage of acceptance now. |
He talks well but doesn't answer, or skates over, difficult questions, so in my view he is only a slicker version of May, Johson or Truss.
Indeed, slick sums him up with his posed photos. Take. for example, his posed glare at Lavrov which seemed to me rather childish, and the next day was followed by the worst attack on Ukraine for some time.
EDIT: it appears the No. 10 photo got a bit of a mocking.
https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2022/11/15/takedowns-of-photo-of-rishi-sunak-glaring/ [Post edited 17 Nov 2022 16:44]
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| Latest poll on 17:16 - Nov 17 with 880 views | HARRY10 |
| Latest poll on 15:15 - Nov 17 by OldFart71 |
Although I don't see the Tories getting in come the next GE because they have been burning their bridges as they go doubt Labour will achieve very much in their tenure because unlike previous time where the Labour Party have left a huge deficit behind the shoe will be on the other foot. Sunak has to be commended for the furlough scheme, but many things that happened under Johnson and Truss have led to where we are now. Too much kneejerk reaction during the early stages of the pandemic leading to those in care homes dying. Bad procurement of PPE and the furlough scheme being abused. Truss /Kamikaze Kwarteng's mini budget and even the BoE's slowness to stop pouring money into the economy causing inflation and then being slow to raise interest rates. |
I am not sure if you understand the difference between deficit and debt.
Up to the 2008 (Osborne inspired sub prime mortgage collapse) Labour had been keeping the debt, as a % of GDP, much lower than the Tories of the 80's. It was the global collapse that caused that debt to almost double.
After 2010 the Tory governments continued to increase that debt to where it is nowm over 100% of GDP. Labour has always had the problem of sorting out a Tory bust 1972, 1990 and now this one, whilst trying to patch up the gaping holes in much needed public funding. The model used is that of the Scandinavians - who don't seem to have any problem with inward investment or a higher living standard.
Hunt is making a decent fist of it and had the bloater not got his grubby paws on Number 10 it is a moot point of wondering where we would be now. Those of the less lunatic fringe of the Tory Party were booted out (echoes of Stalins paranoid purges of the top levels of the Red Army in the late 1930s).
Out has gone the Rees-Mogg, Dories, Truss nutter policies and in has come more sensible ideas.
Whether they can cause a resurgence in the Tory vote will have to be seen. But as long as he has as his sidekick Sunak is appointing the likes of Williamson, Rabb and Braverman I think his chances are slim.
As these third rate incompetnetswill always fckmup somewhere. | | | |
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