| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough 08:50 - Jan 31 with 1407 views | bluelagos |
It appears that today ACPO will also join those calling for a "duty of candour" for police officers at public inquests / inquiries.
What that means (IF it ever became law) is that it would be illegal for a police officer to lie at a public inquiry / inquests. At present it isn't. That is why successive SYP were never held to account for their lies at the various inquests, because there is no legal requirement for them to be honest.
Of course none of that is retrospective so the many SYP who misled / lied to the various inquests will remain above the law / unprosecuted as now.
But if a Hillsborough Law is introduced and a duty of candour legislated for, then in future such actions would be illegal.
Not expecting this to be headline news, but still a small and welcome step towards improving accountability for the police, something that is currently very much in the headlines.
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| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:07 - Jan 31 with 1349 views | ITFC_Forever |
You would think the integrity of the police force as a whole and of individual officers would be such that you wouldn't need a law making it illegal for them to lie in court....
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| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:15 - Jan 31 with 1337 views | bluelagos |
| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:07 - Jan 31 by ITFC_Forever |
You would think the integrity of the police force as a whole and of individual officers would be such that you wouldn't need a law making it illegal for them to lie in court....
JFT97. |
Experience tells us otherwise.
Still can't believe Bettison never got done. He compiled the Wain report for the Taylor inquest, a summary of the police evidence from various statements.
He omitted from that report all references to the "Freeman tactic" - the tactic of closing off the tunnel once the central pens were full, a tactic that had the police followed (as they did in '88) then no one dies.
The "Freeman tactic" was referenced in a handful of SYP officer statements, but was omitted from the police submissions to Taylor.
Lies by omission and a clear attempt to mislead a public inquiry into how people died. Yet he (like many other SYP) is evidently above the law and the only person held to account was the safety officer for SWFC.
Anyone who thinks we have adequate systems for holding dishonest (and worse) police officers to account in this country is delusional. | |
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| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:19 - Jan 31 with 1322 views | NthQldITFC |
What sort of world do we live in where it has not been illegal for an officer to lie to a public enquiry or inquest? It makes me sick.
I have absolutely zero trust in authority these days, whether it be police or government or planning authorities etc., etc. To be honest, a lot of this applies to organisations and individuals further down the food chain as well.
Corruption, large and small, is rife in our society and I think a lot of us are pretty near the end of out tether. Society has to take a good look at itself from top to bottom and decide whether it wants a complete reset, or wants to go on cheating and stealing and lying, and face the inevitable anarchy as the breathing space we have left evaporates.
The current system (which includes all of us) will only have itself to blame if it doesn't stop bullsh!tting and actually make fundamental changes at an individual and a societal level, pronto. |  |
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| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:20 - Jan 31 with 1305 views | ITFC_Forever |
| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:15 - Jan 31 by bluelagos |
Experience tells us otherwise.
Still can't believe Bettison never got done. He compiled the Wain report for the Taylor inquest, a summary of the police evidence from various statements.
He omitted from that report all references to the "Freeman tactic" - the tactic of closing off the tunnel once the central pens were full, a tactic that had the police followed (as they did in '88) then no one dies.
The "Freeman tactic" was referenced in a handful of SYP officer statements, but was omitted from the police submissions to Taylor.
Lies by omission and a clear attempt to mislead a public inquiry into how people died. Yet he (like many other SYP) is evidently above the law and the only person held to account was the safety officer for SWFC.
Anyone who thinks we have adequate systems for holding dishonest (and worse) police officers to account in this country is delusional. |
Indeed.
It's the biggest cover-up of all time. Those in the establishment protecting themselves and their cronies and to hell with everyone else. | |
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| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:32 - Jan 31 with 1272 views | iamatractorboy |
| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:19 - Jan 31 by NthQldITFC |
What sort of world do we live in where it has not been illegal for an officer to lie to a public enquiry or inquest? It makes me sick.
I have absolutely zero trust in authority these days, whether it be police or government or planning authorities etc., etc. To be honest, a lot of this applies to organisations and individuals further down the food chain as well.
Corruption, large and small, is rife in our society and I think a lot of us are pretty near the end of out tether. Society has to take a good look at itself from top to bottom and decide whether it wants a complete reset, or wants to go on cheating and stealing and lying, and face the inevitable anarchy as the breathing space we have left evaporates.
The current system (which includes all of us) will only have itself to blame if it doesn't stop bullsh!tting and actually make fundamental changes at an individual and a societal level, pronto. |
I'm shocked it's not illegal already, does it not count as perjury? Presumably therefore, no one is under oath/caution at an inquiry/inquest. |  | | |
| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:35 - Jan 31 with 1264 views | NthQldITFC |
| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:20 - Jan 31 by ITFC_Forever |
Indeed.
It's the biggest cover-up of all time. Those in the establishment protecting themselves and their cronies and to hell with everyone else. |
..and it's another utterly transparent manipulation of us all, which we somehow let them get away with time after time.
We need to crave and demand honesty from the little interpersonal things up to the big international things if we want society to survive.
Evolution or revolution. | |
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| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:45 - Jan 31 with 1209 views | bluelagos |
| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:32 - Jan 31 by iamatractorboy |
I'm shocked it's not illegal already, does it not count as perjury? Presumably therefore, no one is under oath/caution at an inquiry/inquest. |
Reason why the prosecutions failed over the police cover up - is precisely because lieing at an inquiry / inquest is indeed not a crime. Perverting the course of justice only relates to criminal justice cases, which the inquiries don't qualify as.
So your presumption that anyone could lie without consequence is correct.
Same applies to the Grenfell inquiry - no enforceable legal requirement for those giving testimony to be truthful. | |
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| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:58 - Jan 31 with 1139 views | EdwardStone |
| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 09:19 - Jan 31 by NthQldITFC |
What sort of world do we live in where it has not been illegal for an officer to lie to a public enquiry or inquest? It makes me sick.
I have absolutely zero trust in authority these days, whether it be police or government or planning authorities etc., etc. To be honest, a lot of this applies to organisations and individuals further down the food chain as well.
Corruption, large and small, is rife in our society and I think a lot of us are pretty near the end of out tether. Society has to take a good look at itself from top to bottom and decide whether it wants a complete reset, or wants to go on cheating and stealing and lying, and face the inevitable anarchy as the breathing space we have left evaporates.
The current system (which includes all of us) will only have itself to blame if it doesn't stop bullsh!tting and actually make fundamental changes at an individual and a societal level, pronto. |
I was "worked over" by my local planning authority a decade and a half ago.
Wilful misinterpretation of the relevant laws, an ever-shifting series of arguements to defend their decisions and a series of bare-faced lies as they tried to demolish my home.
It took a trip to High Court to establish what we already knew.....there was no case to answer.
I rather put them in the segment of a Venn diagramme where Vindictiveness meets Incomptence meets Mendacity... a space they share with a lot of other "public servants"
We pay their wages, pay their generous gold-plated pensions and yet they believe it is acceptable to lie to us |  | | |
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| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 10:21 - Jan 31 with 1054 views | Keno |
I know of someone who would be pleased about this!!! |  |
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| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 10:44 - Jan 31 with 962 views | bluelagos |
| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 10:21 - Jan 31 by Keno |
I know of someone who would be pleased about this!!! |
For sure - but the proposed law is nothing more than a proposal. Indeed the govt has objected on countless occasions to Maria Eagle's attempts to introduce a law for a public advocate.
Bit more detail on the changes being sort here for those interested.
https://www.gcnchambers.co.uk/mark-george-qc-interviewed-by-lexis-on-the-new-hil | |
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| ACPO to give an apology today over Hillsborough on 12:49 - Jan 31 with 843 views | factual_blue |
Why wasn't this a muiti-faith enquiry?
tory party at prayer and all that... |  |
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