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Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 09:52 - Mar 7 by eireblue
That is about the level of a losing team on the Apprentice, that results in a double firing.
But, that losing team probably didn’t have that much IT knowledge and had only 24 hours to come up with something - such a ridiculous yet entertaining show.
Number 10 probably have been thinking this up for much longer.
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Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 11:04 - Mar 7 with 917 views
Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 10:23 - Mar 7 by MattinLondon
But, that losing team probably didn’t have that much IT knowledge and had only 24 hours to come up with something - such a ridiculous yet entertaining show.
Number 10 probably have been thinking this up for much longer.
I'll admit to watching it still - this year's bunch are probably the worst ever. They're always useless, but usually nearly get the odd task done ok - not this time.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 11:04 - Mar 7 by SaleAway
Jesus wept... Manchester is an absolute tech hotspot in the UK right now.. Put the "thick northern" stereotypes away for a bit, eh?
It's got nothing to do with northern stereotypes. And I, for one, have never described anyone as thick for the way they have voted on anything.
In any event, Manchester voted 60% for remain, so is not the type of place my comments are aimed at.
Leeds is also a relatively thriving place (and like Manchester benefits from being a university city), but from personal experience of, and speaking to someone at the weekend who lived in, a couple of the small towns close to Leeds (which all voted pretty heavily for Brexit), it is clear to me that they have not really benefited from the growth of Leeds, or will be the sort of people who will benefit from this country being a science superpower, as opposed to being a manufacturing superpower, which we seem to have given up on and which can benefit such areas.
Interestingly, when it comes to places with a high percentage of people with no qualifications, Glasgow is right up there with places in England, but Glasgow voted 67% remain, so the level of education doesn't appear to be the determining factor in the Brexit vote that some might think. Something was clearly in play in England that wasn't the case in Scotland.
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Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 11:35 - Mar 7 with 805 views
Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 09:14 - Mar 7 by DJR
Not sure how being a science superpower will benefit those in the north who voted for Brexit, assuming not many have science degrees.
Tell me you’re a metropolitan lefty who looks down onthe northern working class without telling me you’re a metropolitan lefty who looks down on the northern working class.
Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 11:35 - Mar 7 by GlasgowBlue
Tell me you’re a metropolitan lefty who looks down onthe northern working class without telling me you’re a metropolitan lefty who looks down on the northern working class.
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I had put you on ignore, but came across your comment because I was not logged in at the time.
Your comment just goes to show that you never properly debate anything, and merely resort to or pray-in-ad smears, which is very childish.
It has been bliss this last week not seeing your negative comments, which never advance the debate, and I will make sure in future that I am always logged in so I never see them again.
You are all that is wrong with social media, something which apart from TWTD I don't engage in. And my experience of TWTD is that people aren't out to point score in the negative way that you are, and so I can have a reasoned debate even with people with diametrically opposed views.
And there's no point replying to this as I won't see it.
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Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 11:54 - Mar 7 with 775 views
Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 11:15 - Mar 7 by DJR
It's got nothing to do with northern stereotypes. And I, for one, have never described anyone as thick for the way they have voted on anything.
In any event, Manchester voted 60% for remain, so is not the type of place my comments are aimed at.
Leeds is also a relatively thriving place (and like Manchester benefits from being a university city), but from personal experience of, and speaking to someone at the weekend who lived in, a couple of the small towns close to Leeds (which all voted pretty heavily for Brexit), it is clear to me that they have not really benefited from the growth of Leeds, or will be the sort of people who will benefit from this country being a science superpower, as opposed to being a manufacturing superpower, which we seem to have given up on and which can benefit such areas.
Interestingly, when it comes to places with a high percentage of people with no qualifications, Glasgow is right up there with places in England, but Glasgow voted 67% remain, so the level of education doesn't appear to be the determining factor in the Brexit vote that some might think. Something was clearly in play in England that wasn't the case in Scotland.
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Nothing to do with Northern stereotypes? You've just lumped, northern, voted brexit and "won't have science degrees" into the same post. If that's not stereoptyping, I don't know what is? What was the benefit of including "northern" in your post?
Interestingly of course, you now mention northern post-industrial towns. Not sure if you've been to Salts Mill, just outside Bradford.... which holds of course a David Hockney collection in an old, refurbished mill, as well as a good bookshop, and a nice cafe. You might not also be aware that it also holds the offices of Pace ( now part of Arris), makers of set top boxes, and great british technology success story. So perhaps, those pesky northerners with their science degrees do see some benefit from pushing britain as a science superpower, even in small, post-industrial towns.
Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 12:17 - Mar 7 by SaleAway
Nothing to do with Northern stereotypes? You've just lumped, northern, voted brexit and "won't have science degrees" into the same post. If that's not stereoptyping, I don't know what is? What was the benefit of including "northern" in your post?
Interestingly of course, you now mention northern post-industrial towns. Not sure if you've been to Salts Mill, just outside Bradford.... which holds of course a David Hockney collection in an old, refurbished mill, as well as a good bookshop, and a nice cafe. You might not also be aware that it also holds the offices of Pace ( now part of Arris), makers of set top boxes, and great british technology success story. So perhaps, those pesky northerners with their science degrees do see some benefit from pushing britain as a science superpower, even in small, post-industrial towns.
The point about referring to the north is that that is where scars still remain from say the closure of the mines and factories, something which just didn't really occur further south. Indeed, living in the south during the 80s, it was clear to me that there were two nations, because the south was much less affected by unemployment and the like. And on all sorts of measures regions in the north come out worse than regions in the south east.
In the last 30 years or so, all major investment has occurred in London and the south east (the Olympics, Channel Tunnel, Eurostar, Elizabeth line, High Speed 1, Eurostar etc) but what real investment has the north got? Indeed, it doesn't look like it is going to change given that HS2 might end at Birmingham, and there appear to be no plans to improve cross-pennine rail links.
I heard recently that all growth in the UK since Brexit had been concentrated in London and the South East, led by financial services and life sciences and the like because that is where these sectors are concentrated.
So I was merely questioning whether areas in the north which voted Brexit will benefit in quite the same way as areas in south from the UK becoming a scientific superpower, and I think I was right to mention the north for this reason.
Another area which Sunak is keen to focus on for growth in financials services but once again this is an area which will disproportionally benefit the south.
Part of the problem it seems to me, and this seems to be coming home to roost, is that there is a mismatch between the architects of Brexit (non-domiciled newspaper owners and those who wanted the UK to become Singapore-on-Thames) and many of those who voted for Brexit.
And before anyone accuses me of of anti-northern or anti-northern working class bias, I would just add that my wife is from humble origins in Liverpool (which I visit often and love) and my parents were from similarly humble origins even further north than you (Scotland). Partly as a result of this my sympathies have since Mrs Thatcher been with those in the north in preference to those in the prosperous south east who can generally look after themselves.
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Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 13:57 - Mar 7 with 582 views
Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 13:30 - Mar 7 by DJR
The point about referring to the north is that that is where scars still remain from say the closure of the mines and factories, something which just didn't really occur further south. Indeed, living in the south during the 80s, it was clear to me that there were two nations, because the south was much less affected by unemployment and the like. And on all sorts of measures regions in the north come out worse than regions in the south east.
In the last 30 years or so, all major investment has occurred in London and the south east (the Olympics, Channel Tunnel, Eurostar, Elizabeth line, High Speed 1, Eurostar etc) but what real investment has the north got? Indeed, it doesn't look like it is going to change given that HS2 might end at Birmingham, and there appear to be no plans to improve cross-pennine rail links.
I heard recently that all growth in the UK since Brexit had been concentrated in London and the South East, led by financial services and life sciences and the like because that is where these sectors are concentrated.
So I was merely questioning whether areas in the north which voted Brexit will benefit in quite the same way as areas in south from the UK becoming a scientific superpower, and I think I was right to mention the north for this reason.
Another area which Sunak is keen to focus on for growth in financials services but once again this is an area which will disproportionally benefit the south.
Part of the problem it seems to me, and this seems to be coming home to roost, is that there is a mismatch between the architects of Brexit (non-domiciled newspaper owners and those who wanted the UK to become Singapore-on-Thames) and many of those who voted for Brexit.
And before anyone accuses me of of anti-northern or anti-northern working class bias, I would just add that my wife is from humble origins in Liverpool (which I visit often and love) and my parents were from similarly humble origins even further north than you (Scotland). Partly as a result of this my sympathies have since Mrs Thatcher been with those in the north in preference to those in the prosperous south east who can generally look after themselves.
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OK - most of that makes sense, but your problem, as has clearly been shown, is that using " the north", as a replacement for "people struggling in post-industrial towns who might have voted brexit and are not scientifically academic" is a generalisation that misses the mark.
The thing is that, in terms of infrastructure investment etc, then yes, the North is a generalisation that stands up, because that's about an area, where it can demonstrably be seen that investment is lacking, but you can't use "the north" to generalise people ( and its a good rule to NEVER generalise people) , because there are plenty of ambitious, smart, scientific, successful people up here, and your post lost its way, because of that generalisation.
Enough of semantics though.
What we need is a way, post-industrialisation, post-brexit, to bring as much opportunity to as many people as possible, be they in the north, the midlands, or the east anglian wastelands ;-) Maybe we could come up with a catchy slogan... "Levelling up" maybe?
Developing strength in technology and science is not a bad thing, these are growth industries, which have the potential to pay wages that make sense in the current climate. Pushing to bring back large scale manufacturing is always going to struggle against the lower wage economies in other parts of the world.
Have we done " tweeting a QR code" yet? on 13:57 - Mar 7 by SaleAway
OK - most of that makes sense, but your problem, as has clearly been shown, is that using " the north", as a replacement for "people struggling in post-industrial towns who might have voted brexit and are not scientifically academic" is a generalisation that misses the mark.
The thing is that, in terms of infrastructure investment etc, then yes, the North is a generalisation that stands up, because that's about an area, where it can demonstrably be seen that investment is lacking, but you can't use "the north" to generalise people ( and its a good rule to NEVER generalise people) , because there are plenty of ambitious, smart, scientific, successful people up here, and your post lost its way, because of that generalisation.
Enough of semantics though.
What we need is a way, post-industrialisation, post-brexit, to bring as much opportunity to as many people as possible, be they in the north, the midlands, or the east anglian wastelands ;-) Maybe we could come up with a catchy slogan... "Levelling up" maybe?
Developing strength in technology and science is not a bad thing, these are growth industries, which have the potential to pay wages that make sense in the current climate. Pushing to bring back large scale manufacturing is always going to struggle against the lower wage economies in other parts of the world.
I think you if you read my post carefully you will see that it wasn't generalising people in the north. It was just an observation that there can't be many Brexit voters in the north who are scientists and so will benefit from the UK becoming a science superpower.
But as you say, enough of the semantics.
As regards levelling up, there is in my view little evidence that this is anything more than a gimmick.
As regards manufacturing, the view you take is clearly not the view the German government takes. And the problem it seems to me is that we are putting up hurdles for the manufacturing that we do have, if this is anything to go by.
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