| Braverman, not the brightest 13:49 - Mar 7 with 1433 views | HARRY10 |
In a bid to wrest the blue jersey (the race leader in Tory stupidity) from stiff competition Braverman even out did 30p Lee at lunchtime today, as she announced.
Migrants arriving by boat will be returned to.......err, to somewhere that is not the UK.
Rwanda will take 200. Which at £12 million cost so far, is £60,000 per migrant.
France. Yes, that's full of foreigners so they will fit in there.
However, there is no agreement with France or any other country to take in/back anyone. This quite basic reality often seems to shock the not too bright righties
Assuming there will be some arrangement made with a dozen or so countries you then have to identify which country they are from. If they have no documentation on them and do not say what nationality they are, then what ?
The current problem is one made from the sheer stupidity of brexiters. This situation was warned about. Leaving the EU meant taking the UK out of previous agreements with EU countries whereby such people could be returned.
There is an episode in Father Ted where Ted tries to explain to Dougal what is small, and what is far away. It seems that way when trying to explain very, very simple concepts to brexit thickos.
Still, it is not all bad news
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/mar/07/brexit-eu-uk-manufacturers-make
"-Business leaders say frayed relations with the EU are costing the British economy, as suppliers in the bloc grow more cautious about doing business with post-Brexit Britain."
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| Braverman, not the brightest on 16:57 - Mar 7 with 1300 views | bluebudgie |
So what's your answer to the Illegal Immigrants trying to come to this country and lining the pockets of the racketeers? It's a genuine question so a proper sensible response would be appreciated. |  | | |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 17:09 - Mar 7 with 1272 views | DJR |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 16:57 - Mar 7 by bluebudgie |
So what's your answer to the Illegal Immigrants trying to come to this country and lining the pockets of the racketeers? It's a genuine question so a proper sensible response would be appreciated. |
It is not illegal to claim asylum, but this is a problem affecting many countries in the world (and not just in Europe), and there is no easy answer.
The UK already takes much less than its fare share of asylum seekers compared to many other European countries, and it does not seem particularly fair to leave it to the rest of the world to sort out, particularly given the UK's role in places like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya which has led to the sort of failed states that lead to people fleeing their country. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 17:11]
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| Braverman, not the brightest on 17:15 - Mar 7 with 1251 views | LeoMuff |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 16:57 - Mar 7 by bluebudgie |
So what's your answer to the Illegal Immigrants trying to come to this country and lining the pockets of the racketeers? It's a genuine question so a proper sensible response would be appreciated. |
It’s a massively overblown problem, kept at the top of the agenda by the Conservatives as it appeals to those who’s votes they are currently losing. |  |
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| Braverman, not the brightest on 17:41 - Mar 7 with 1223 views | eireblue |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 16:57 - Mar 7 by bluebudgie |
So what's your answer to the Illegal Immigrants trying to come to this country and lining the pockets of the racketeers? It's a genuine question so a proper sensible response would be appreciated. |
If you want to tackle racketeers, spend more money on tracking down, arresting and imprisoning racketeers.
Make it easier and quicker for humans that are fleeing intolerable regimes to get somewhere safe and restart their lives, in destinations such as the U.K. So that the easier route is an official one. |  | | |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 17:43 - Mar 7 with 1214 views | Herbivore |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 16:57 - Mar 7 by bluebudgie |
So what's your answer to the Illegal Immigrants trying to come to this country and lining the pockets of the racketeers? It's a genuine question so a proper sensible response would be appreciated. |
Open up safe, legal routes. Not propose fantasy and likely illegal 'solutions'. |  |
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| Braverman, not the brightest on 17:44 - Mar 7 with 1209 views | DJR |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 16:57 - Mar 7 by bluebudgie |
So what's your answer to the Illegal Immigrants trying to come to this country and lining the pockets of the racketeers? It's a genuine question so a proper sensible response would be appreciated. |
After 13 years of the Tories saying they wanted to keep immigration in the tens of thousands (when last year it was 1.1 million), and Patel's Nationality and Borders Act last year which was meant to have solved things on the Channel crossing front, I think you'd have to be a bit naive to think Braverman has nailed it. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 17:45]
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| Braverman, not the brightest on 18:33 - Mar 7 with 1140 views | Oldsmoker |
I agree, she's not the brightest but I don't think she's trying to be.
But she is evil, and on the Cruella Deville scale she's a 10. |  |
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| Braverman, not the brightest on 18:45 - Mar 7 with 1120 views | eireblue |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 18:33 - Mar 7 by Oldsmoker |
I agree, she's not the brightest but I don't think she's trying to be.
But she is evil, and on the Cruella Deville scale she's a 10. |
is that the scale where Cruella registers a 5? | | | |
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| Braverman, not the brightest on 18:48 - Mar 7 with 1116 views | GavTWTD |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 16:57 - Mar 7 by bluebudgie |
So what's your answer to the Illegal Immigrants trying to come to this country and lining the pockets of the racketeers? It's a genuine question so a proper sensible response would be appreciated. |
My solution would be to build an embassy/processing centre on the French coast but build safe routes. There doesn't seem to be many. Obviously would needs cooperation with the French but they want this solved as much as we do.
Rwanda policy is a complete farce. |  |
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| Braverman, not the brightest on 19:45 - Mar 7 with 1051 views | BlueForYou |
Many of these people say they have travelled through Turkey, Greece, Italy, Croatia, France, etc. what is it about this cold grey inhospitable place, which seems to be thoroughly disliked by millions of people here, which is so attractive to them? Don’t other countries offer much better prospects? For those who do desperately want to come here, then something along the lines of what Gav said seems very sensible. |  | | |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 20:24 - Mar 7 with 987 views | jontysnut |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 19:45 - Mar 7 by BlueForYou |
Many of these people say they have travelled through Turkey, Greece, Italy, Croatia, France, etc. what is it about this cold grey inhospitable place, which seems to be thoroughly disliked by millions of people here, which is so attractive to them? Don’t other countries offer much better prospects? For those who do desperately want to come here, then something along the lines of what Gav said seems very sensible. |
They have family and friends already here, speak English, which makes work easier once they are allowed to, and have the impression the we are a safe and welcoming country. |  | | |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 20:54 - Mar 7 with 918 views | LeoMuff |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 19:45 - Mar 7 by BlueForYou |
Many of these people say they have travelled through Turkey, Greece, Italy, Croatia, France, etc. what is it about this cold grey inhospitable place, which seems to be thoroughly disliked by millions of people here, which is so attractive to them? Don’t other countries offer much better prospects? For those who do desperately want to come here, then something along the lines of what Gav said seems very sensible. |
Well due to the manipulation of our government of the media you may think that, but Turkey take vastly more refugees and asylum seekers than us, in 2021 there were 9 asylum applications per 100k population, significantly below the EU average of 14, ranking us 16th out of the EU 27 for taking Asylum seekers.
So in fact this is far less of a problem for us than most of the EU. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 20:54]
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| Braverman, not the brightest on 21:01 - Mar 7 with 880 views | brazil1982 |
Surely authorities can track down whete the boats are made, and who orders them? Surely someone has put in a large order to a specialised boat / dinghy company? |  | | |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 23:04 - Mar 7 with 778 views | HARRY10 |
An interesting 'conversation' earlier this evening. It was with a thicko
When I told him the UK net migration figure for2022 was around 500,000 he laughed, told me I was mad and since brexit the UK had stopped all migration.
Via his phone it was around 500,000, then accompanied by stating that I am in favour of 'illegal' immigration, Britain is full up and a few other thicko comments.
It made me wonder how many other thickos are there who are just as clueless. Who thought taking the UK out of a mechanism whereby those 'not wanted' could be returned, was not going to cause a massive rise in this type of migration.
This latest Bill is the sixth since 2015, all of which have failed. This latest one does not even explain how anyone will be removed.
The reality is the UK has an ageing population so will need more immigration to just stay afloat. The Brexit idea of causing businesses to move abroad and so remove the need for workers is working, but will it not have the obvious long term consequences ?
the idea, as put forward by brexiters, that the UK can cut wages, workplace conditions, safety regulations etc so the UK can compwte with third world countries will undoubtedly lead to a lower living stabdard for most.
This can be seen in the shocking level of bad housing now occupied, the ability of privatised water companies to dump sh it in rivers and seas and the crumbling infrastructure of schools and hospitals.
What is sickening is not that Tories are wanting to push ahead with ever further reductions in living standards, but that the ever so humblesupport them master knows best they cry as their town centres fail, their communities lack the basic numbers# of police and the queues at the NHS grows ever longer.
'Thems our betters them is'. | | | |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 09:08 - Mar 8 with 598 views | Oldsmoker |
| Braverman, not the brightest on 23:04 - Mar 7 by HARRY10 |
An interesting 'conversation' earlier this evening. It was with a thicko
When I told him the UK net migration figure for2022 was around 500,000 he laughed, told me I was mad and since brexit the UK had stopped all migration.
Via his phone it was around 500,000, then accompanied by stating that I am in favour of 'illegal' immigration, Britain is full up and a few other thicko comments.
It made me wonder how many other thickos are there who are just as clueless. Who thought taking the UK out of a mechanism whereby those 'not wanted' could be returned, was not going to cause a massive rise in this type of migration.
This latest Bill is the sixth since 2015, all of which have failed. This latest one does not even explain how anyone will be removed.
The reality is the UK has an ageing population so will need more immigration to just stay afloat. The Brexit idea of causing businesses to move abroad and so remove the need for workers is working, but will it not have the obvious long term consequences ?
the idea, as put forward by brexiters, that the UK can cut wages, workplace conditions, safety regulations etc so the UK can compwte with third world countries will undoubtedly lead to a lower living stabdard for most.
This can be seen in the shocking level of bad housing now occupied, the ability of privatised water companies to dump sh it in rivers and seas and the crumbling infrastructure of schools and hospitals.
What is sickening is not that Tories are wanting to push ahead with ever further reductions in living standards, but that the ever so humblesupport them master knows best they cry as their town centres fail, their communities lack the basic numbers# of police and the queues at the NHS grows ever longer.
'Thems our betters them is'. |
Your post reminds me of an exchange (not a conversation) I had down the pub a few days after the referendum result had been announced.
One guy was shouting in my face "You lost - get over it"
I replied that "We all lost"
He mentioned that them b***** n****** were not getting in here anymore.
I pointed out that that the result meant fewer White Christians and more non-White non-Christians.
His face dropped and he called me a c***.
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| Braverman, not the brightest on 09:22 - Mar 8 with 577 views | DJR |
That is well worth reading. | | | |
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