| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured 21:53 - Apr 16 with 1963 views | HARRY10 |
No prizes for guessing where this happened
"In 2022 Kay Ivey* signed a bill into law which ended the requirement for a person to obtain a permit to legally carry a concealed handgun in public. The National Rifle Association (NRA) had lobbied for the bill to be passed."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/16/alabama-shooting-birthday-party-
* Kay Ivey, the governor of Alabama, posted on Twitter after the shooting
“Violent crime has NO place in our state”
At least 15 teenagers were shot and wounded. 6 have been treated and released, 5 are in critical condition and 4 are in a stable condition. [Post edited 16 Apr 2023 22:15]
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 22:47 - Apr 16 with 1816 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
That’s what you’ll read about in the Guardian, of course. The post linked newspaper in the history of TWTD
Have you seen how many mass shootings there has been in California this year?
How about what will just make local news? Here is the Sunday Chicago recap in the last hour.
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-shootings-weekend-today-news/13137241/
There are 400M guns in America. Most gun homicides by the number are in large cities with much tighter restrictions, IL and CA being good examples. So your idea of it just being a problem in places like Alabama is completely false. Unfortunately, guns are everywhere. |  | | |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 22:54 - Apr 16 with 1785 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 22:47 - Apr 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
That’s what you’ll read about in the Guardian, of course. The post linked newspaper in the history of TWTD
Have you seen how many mass shootings there has been in California this year?
How about what will just make local news? Here is the Sunday Chicago recap in the last hour.
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-shootings-weekend-today-news/13137241/
There are 400M guns in America. Most gun homicides by the number are in large cities with much tighter restrictions, IL and CA being good examples. So your idea of it just being a problem in places like Alabama is completely false. Unfortunately, guns are everywhere. |
"Unfortunately, guns are everywhere."
I can't think of anything that could be done to reduce that problem.
Better arm more people to defend themselves instead.
The idea of defending the liberal gun laws by stating how bad it is right across the land of the free is ridiculous. |  |
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:09 - Apr 16 with 1681 views | StokieBlue |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 22:47 - Apr 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
That’s what you’ll read about in the Guardian, of course. The post linked newspaper in the history of TWTD
Have you seen how many mass shootings there has been in California this year?
How about what will just make local news? Here is the Sunday Chicago recap in the last hour.
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-shootings-weekend-today-news/13137241/
There are 400M guns in America. Most gun homicides by the number are in large cities with much tighter restrictions, IL and CA being good examples. So your idea of it just being a problem in places like Alabama is completely false. Unfortunately, guns are everywhere. |
Deliberately or not that post is a tad disingenuous.
You've directly compared numbers of shootings without adjusting for population thus making the metric pointless as it's not normalised.
If you look at the link below that has been normalised then you'll see that the problem is far worse in states like Alabama.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:13 - Apr 16 with 1653 views | Whos_blue |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 22:47 - Apr 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
That’s what you’ll read about in the Guardian, of course. The post linked newspaper in the history of TWTD
Have you seen how many mass shootings there has been in California this year?
How about what will just make local news? Here is the Sunday Chicago recap in the last hour.
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-shootings-weekend-today-news/13137241/
There are 400M guns in America. Most gun homicides by the number are in large cities with much tighter restrictions, IL and CA being good examples. So your idea of it just being a problem in places like Alabama is completely false. Unfortunately, guns are everywhere. |
This post seems a bit all over the place.
An odd dig at the way a paper has reported the news. Am I missing something? Have they reported this incident incorrectly?
The reference to another state as a comparator in some sort of gun death competition and a comment on a statement that wasn't even made by the OP regarding it being a problem in only Alabama.
I genuinely don't understand what point you are making here. |  |
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:19 - Apr 16 with 1635 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:13 - Apr 16 by Whos_blue |
This post seems a bit all over the place.
An odd dig at the way a paper has reported the news. Am I missing something? Have they reported this incident incorrectly?
The reference to another state as a comparator in some sort of gun death competition and a comment on a statement that wasn't even made by the OP regarding it being a problem in only Alabama.
I genuinely don't understand what point you are making here. |
I read it (rightly or wrongly) as:
It is left wing to want to have gun control so only a left wing paper would bother to report on (yet another) mass shooting.
Stricter gun control only increases individual incidents (refuted by SB's post above).
That America's liberal gun laws shouldn't be criticised because there is nothing that can be done about it so just let them get on with it. Which may appear to have merit as an argument until you realise there are many in that country who would prefer not to be directly affected by it. | |
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:34 - Apr 16 with 1595 views | Illinoisblue |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:13 - Apr 16 by Whos_blue |
This post seems a bit all over the place.
An odd dig at the way a paper has reported the news. Am I missing something? Have they reported this incident incorrectly?
The reference to another state as a comparator in some sort of gun death competition and a comment on a statement that wasn't even made by the OP regarding it being a problem in only Alabama.
I genuinely don't understand what point you are making here. |
I think the point is there are many many gun deaths in cities every week but they don’t get the same media coverage as “one off” mass shootings. Of course it’s all a problem and it’s not a competition - other than to figure out how to fix it. Which it never will be, sadly. |  |
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:44 - Apr 16 with 1578 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:09 - Apr 16 by StokieBlue |
Deliberately or not that post is a tad disingenuous.
You've directly compared numbers of shootings without adjusting for population thus making the metric pointless as it's not normalised.
If you look at the link below that has been normalised then you'll see that the problem is far worse in states like Alabama.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
SB |
His post said “no prizes for guessing where this happened”
That would suggest gun deaths is mainly a problem in red states like Alabama would it not? Where it is happening everywhere, every night. It’s just not stuff you lot are going to read about from afar.
It’s a numbers game in America. Somewhere like Wyoming has a population less than Suffolk and is 5 times the size of England so gun deaths per population can be looked at from varying angles. The unfortunate truth is the horse left the barn along time ago. I’m all for a ban on assault rifles and for making it harder to just obtain a legally obtain a firearm without better checks but to pretend it’s this is only happening in places like TN and AL, that is disingenuous part.
The vast vast majority of gun homicides are caused by hand guns in urban areas. No one on either side of the aisle has much of an actual solution to the overall problem and it’s sad. | | | |
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:50 - Apr 16 with 1570 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 22:54 - Apr 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"Unfortunately, guns are everywhere."
I can't think of anything that could be done to reduce that problem.
Better arm more people to defend themselves instead.
The idea of defending the liberal gun laws by stating how bad it is right across the land of the free is ridiculous. |
Go on then give me that solution? Are you talking about a mass amnesty that will be complied with or something like that? [Post edited 16 Apr 2023 23:51]
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:50 - Apr 16 with 1565 views | Illinoisblue |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:44 - Apr 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
His post said “no prizes for guessing where this happened”
That would suggest gun deaths is mainly a problem in red states like Alabama would it not? Where it is happening everywhere, every night. It’s just not stuff you lot are going to read about from afar.
It’s a numbers game in America. Somewhere like Wyoming has a population less than Suffolk and is 5 times the size of England so gun deaths per population can be looked at from varying angles. The unfortunate truth is the horse left the barn along time ago. I’m all for a ban on assault rifles and for making it harder to just obtain a legally obtain a firearm without better checks but to pretend it’s this is only happening in places like TN and AL, that is disingenuous part.
The vast vast majority of gun homicides are caused by hand guns in urban areas. No one on either side of the aisle has much of an actual solution to the overall problem and it’s sad. |
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:54 - Apr 16 with 1552 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:50 - Apr 16 by Illinoisblue |
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The amount young children and teenagers being killed by guns every week is disgusting. | | | |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 00:08 - Apr 17 with 1489 views | Illinoisblue |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:54 - Apr 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
The amount young children and teenagers being killed by guns every week is disgusting. |
Timely. It never stops: | |
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 00:12 - Apr 17 with 1475 views | StokieBlue |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 23:44 - Apr 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
His post said “no prizes for guessing where this happened”
That would suggest gun deaths is mainly a problem in red states like Alabama would it not? Where it is happening everywhere, every night. It’s just not stuff you lot are going to read about from afar.
It’s a numbers game in America. Somewhere like Wyoming has a population less than Suffolk and is 5 times the size of England so gun deaths per population can be looked at from varying angles. The unfortunate truth is the horse left the barn along time ago. I’m all for a ban on assault rifles and for making it harder to just obtain a legally obtain a firearm without better checks but to pretend it’s this is only happening in places like TN and AL, that is disingenuous part.
The vast vast majority of gun homicides are caused by hand guns in urban areas. No one on either side of the aisle has much of an actual solution to the overall problem and it’s sad. |
Can you please explain how a normalised metric of gun deaths per capita can be looked at from many angles?
It's of course a problem everywhere but the data points to it being worse in the states highlighted. That's the point of normalising the metric - to allow for direct comparison.
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 00:51 - Apr 17 with 1376 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 00:12 - Apr 17 by StokieBlue |
Can you please explain how a normalised metric of gun deaths per capita can be looked at from many angles?
It's of course a problem everywhere but the data points to it being worse in the states highlighted. That's the point of normalising the metric - to allow for direct comparison.
SB |
So it’s worst places like Wyoming and Alaska? Are you suggesting due to local law, that it would be more dangerous to live in rural Wyoming (with 152 gun deaths in 2022, many of which unfortunately were suicides) than inner city Philadelphia/Chicago just because those cities have a population in the millions? Therefore the per capita is really the main metric we need to look at as a comparison? I don’t think that’s right. If you look at gun violence and the concentration of it, it speaks more to urban poverty, disenfranchised communities and gang violence than the per capita metric.
Wyoming is 100k squares miles and had 150 odd gun deaths, Chicago is 200 square miles and had what 900 in 2021. I am using Chicago, as it is a city I’m very familiar with but you could look at other cities that would be considered more red and come to a similar conclusion. Most huge population cities are of course democrat but there are mid level cities that still lean Republican.
My overall point being in gun violence in American is multi-faceted and needs to be almost look at in different areas . Th3 threads that appear on here are of course after the more randomized mass shootings, where mentally sick and evil individuals have easily access to firearms. That is of cause far too common and just horrible to hear about. What seems to be neglected in the wider conversation is why the vast majority of gun violence is happening all the time and what can be done to stop so many young people losing their lives every damn weekend. That is as much as a deep seated societal issue than it is just a policy debate regarding mad NRA types.
Hope this helps. | | | |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 04:11 - Apr 17 with 1314 views | BlueBadger |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 22:47 - Apr 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
That’s what you’ll read about in the Guardian, of course. The post linked newspaper in the history of TWTD
Have you seen how many mass shootings there has been in California this year?
How about what will just make local news? Here is the Sunday Chicago recap in the last hour.
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-shootings-weekend-today-news/13137241/
There are 400M guns in America. Most gun homicides by the number are in large cities with much tighter restrictions, IL and CA being good examples. So your idea of it just being a problem in places like Alabama is completely false. Unfortunately, guns are everywhere. |
If it helps, these children would still be dead if someone had linked to a report in the Torygraph or Mail. |  |
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 09:15 - Apr 17 with 1044 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 22:47 - Apr 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
That’s what you’ll read about in the Guardian, of course. The post linked newspaper in the history of TWTD
Have you seen how many mass shootings there has been in California this year?
How about what will just make local news? Here is the Sunday Chicago recap in the last hour.
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-shootings-weekend-today-news/13137241/
There are 400M guns in America. Most gun homicides by the number are in large cities with much tighter restrictions, IL and CA being good examples. So your idea of it just being a problem in places like Alabama is completely false. Unfortunately, guns are everywhere. |
Unless I’ve misunderstood the OP, the answer to the guess where question was supposed to be America. Far more likely that than thinking people would be mock surprised that it occurred in Alabama. |  |
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 11:56 - Apr 17 with 930 views | HARRY10 |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 22:47 - Apr 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
That’s what you’ll read about in the Guardian, of course. The post linked newspaper in the history of TWTD
Have you seen how many mass shootings there has been in California this year?
How about what will just make local news? Here is the Sunday Chicago recap in the last hour.
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-shootings-weekend-today-news/13137241/
There are 400M guns in America. Most gun homicides by the number are in large cities with much tighter restrictions, IL and CA being good examples. So your idea of it just being a problem in places like Alabama is completely false. Unfortunately, guns are everywhere. |
"So your idea of it just being a problem in places like Alabama is completely false. "
Nothing like making up stuff and replying to that instead. I never posted anything that "suggested it was just a problem in places ....". I merely posted what was known with no added comment.
I quoted the Guardian because it was the only UK source carrying the story at the time of posting. I did check with a couple of US news sources, which allowed me to update and add casualty figures.
The point I was making was not to highlight another mass shooting, or that yet again children were the victims, but the cretinous actions of the Governor of Alabama who
"signed a bill into law which ended the requirement for a person to obtain a permit to legally carry a concealed handgun in public.
Then whines about gun violence after the killings.
Even in the supposed Wild West it was seen that guns were required to be taken off when entering the town or saloon. What kind of lunacy allows someone to take a hidden gun into a 16th Birthday party, in the name of civil liberties ?
[Post edited 17 Apr 2023 12:28]
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| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 12:08 - Apr 17 with 916 views | HARRY10 |
"His post said “no prizes for guessing where this happened”
That would suggest gun deaths is mainly a problem in red states like Alabama would it not? "
How on earth you arrived at that thought, Lord alone knows ?
If an extremely nasty incidence of football violence happened in Suffolk, and it was reported in the US with the same headline, would that be seen as a comment on Suffolk, or the UK as a whole.
I would suggest the latter. | | | |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 12:28 - Apr 17 with 866 views | cressi |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 12:08 - Apr 17 by HARRY10 |
"His post said “no prizes for guessing where this happened”
That would suggest gun deaths is mainly a problem in red states like Alabama would it not? "
How on earth you arrived at that thought, Lord alone knows ?
If an extremely nasty incidence of football violence happened in Suffolk, and it was reported in the US with the same headline, would that be seen as a comment on Suffolk, or the UK as a whole.
I would suggest the latter. |
No surprise American gun laws are mental, | | | |
| Four teenagers are killed in a shooting ... multiple people left injured on 15:46 - Apr 17 with 747 views | HARRY10 |
"Th3 threads that appear on here are of course after the more randomized mass shootings, where mentally sick and evil individuals have easily access to firearms. "
So how would you describe the would be killer in the case of a black teenager shot on the doorstep after knocking on their door ?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11981377/Viola-Davis-supports-family-bl | | | |
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