| Don't forget to vote. on 08:05 - May 3 with 2795 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
You do realise you don’t HAVE to vote for him. It’s not like having to support your team through Keane, Hurst and Lambert.
We could get back that utter berk that lost the last two elections, and have another 5 years of the Tories if your prefer? |  | |  |
| Don't forget to vote. on 08:11 - May 3 with 2789 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
I voted eleven days ago - in Bixley ward.
For that moment was Tangledupin_Red. [Post edited 3 May 2023 8:12]
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| Don't forget to vote. on 08:13 - May 3 with 2783 views | DJR |
That sketch is pretty damning, as are the comments below it.
The most satirical (and at the same time depressing) passage from the article is the following.
"Of course, those with the broadest shoulders should pay more, Starmer mumbled. It was just that the top 5% no longer had broad shoulders. Most of them were near-broke. So it would no longer be right to tax them more. It was time for the country to think of the destitution in which Rishi Sunak now lived."
The thing with the abandonment of the pledge to tax the top 5% more (as they do in Scotland) is that just who is is designed to appeal to?. It can't be the Red Wall, so it does make me think the abandonment of the pledge is ideological.
I will, of course, still vote Labour, but my fear is that many will vote for the Greens or Lib Dems (or not at all) because what is on offer is just not inspiring. Of course, Blair could have got away with this, because he was the master salesman, but Starmer is certainly no Blair. [Post edited 3 May 2023 8:22]
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| Don't forget to vote. on 08:22 - May 3 with 2734 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Don't forget to vote. on 08:05 - May 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
You do realise you don’t HAVE to vote for him. It’s not like having to support your team through Keane, Hurst and Lambert.
We could get back that utter berk that lost the last two elections, and have another 5 years of the Tories if your prefer? |
I think it's important people know what they are voting for!! If only we knew what that was. |  |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 08:32 - May 3 with 2703 views | positivity |
| Don't forget to vote. on 08:22 - May 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think it's important people know what they are voting for!! If only we knew what that was. |
you can always find reasons not to vote.
however, i'll vote for labour under starmer because they are far better and will do far more good than the tories under sunak, despite any misgivings about policy and presentation.
similarly, i voted for labour under corbyn because they were far better than the tories under johnson and would do far more good than the tories under johnson, despite any misgivings about policy and presentation.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/03/jeremy-corbyn-sorry-antisemitis | |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 09:33 - May 3 with 2636 views | Guthrum |
| Don't forget to vote. on 08:32 - May 3 by positivity |
you can always find reasons not to vote.
however, i'll vote for labour under starmer because they are far better and will do far more good than the tories under sunak, despite any misgivings about policy and presentation.
similarly, i voted for labour under corbyn because they were far better than the tories under johnson and would do far more good than the tories under johnson, despite any misgivings about policy and presentation.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/03/jeremy-corbyn-sorry-antisemitis |
The way our electoral system works, if you don't want another five years of the Conservatives, Labour is the only option to lead another government. The SNP can never get more than 59 and the LibDems are not going to go from 14 seats to a majority.
Indeed, if you're in favour of electoral reform, then Labour are the only party currently who can deliver it.
This not written as a Labour supporter, but pragmatism is the only way to get any kind of forward movement. |  |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 09:42 - May 3 with 2603 views | BlueBadger |
| Don't forget to vote. on 08:22 - May 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think it's important people know what they are voting for!! If only we knew what that was. |
At this point, the primary objective is to get the Tories out. I'm struggling to see how anyone is going to beat them for sheer, vindictive targeting of the vulnerable, wilful neglect of vital services and functions, outright incompetence and open bigotry and corruption.
The country needs CPR right now. We'll worry about what happens next when we get a pulse. [Post edited 3 May 2023 9:42]
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| Don't forget to vote. on 09:42 - May 3 with 2604 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Don't forget to vote. on 09:33 - May 3 by Guthrum |
The way our electoral system works, if you don't want another five years of the Conservatives, Labour is the only option to lead another government. The SNP can never get more than 59 and the LibDems are not going to go from 14 seats to a majority.
Indeed, if you're in favour of electoral reform, then Labour are the only party currently who can deliver it.
This not written as a Labour supporter, but pragmatism is the only way to get any kind of forward movement. |
"Indeed, if you're in favour of electoral reform, then Labour are the only party currently who can deliver it."
....they won't. | |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 09:47 - May 3 with 2590 views | Darth_Koont |
| Don't forget to vote. on 08:13 - May 3 by DJR |
That sketch is pretty damning, as are the comments below it.
The most satirical (and at the same time depressing) passage from the article is the following.
"Of course, those with the broadest shoulders should pay more, Starmer mumbled. It was just that the top 5% no longer had broad shoulders. Most of them were near-broke. So it would no longer be right to tax them more. It was time for the country to think of the destitution in which Rishi Sunak now lived."
The thing with the abandonment of the pledge to tax the top 5% more (as they do in Scotland) is that just who is is designed to appeal to?. It can't be the Red Wall, so it does make me think the abandonment of the pledge is ideological.
I will, of course, still vote Labour, but my fear is that many will vote for the Greens or Lib Dems (or not at all) because what is on offer is just not inspiring. Of course, Blair could have got away with this, because he was the master salesman, but Starmer is certainly no Blair. [Post edited 3 May 2023 8:22]
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Ideology, self-interest or a combination of the two.
Looking after the interests of the few pays significantly better than democratically representing the many.
“Get paid” is the mantra of the Labour right and has been a significant part of their opposition to change and reform. |  |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 10:03 - May 3 with 2561 views | Guthrum |
| Don't forget to vote. on 09:42 - May 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
"Indeed, if you're in favour of electoral reform, then Labour are the only party currently who can deliver it."
....they won't. |
There's a lot of movement within Lab to go for electoral reform. It's now pretty clear even to the leadership that the current system works against them too, winning just 3 out of the last 11 general elections (and those under a charismatic leader). Especially with the SNP having taken most of their former Scottish reservoir of seats in 2015. | |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 10:47 - May 3 with 2494 views | DJR |
| Don't forget to vote. on 09:47 - May 3 by Darth_Koont |
Ideology, self-interest or a combination of the two.
Looking after the interests of the few pays significantly better than democratically representing the many.
“Get paid” is the mantra of the Labour right and has been a significant part of their opposition to change and reform. |
And the most recent Private Eye indicates that Labour is becoming increasingly dependent on large donors, such a Lord Sainsbury, who it suggests wouldn't like a narrowing of the gap between capital gains tax (20%) and income tax (40 or 45%), let alone an increase in the top rates of income tax. | | | |
| Don't forget to vote. on 10:07 - May 4 with 2330 views | DJR |
A couple of good comments on Twitter about voter ID.
"Walked past polling station on after school drop off. But I don’t have my ID with me so can’t vote. I’m lucky to have a passport & driving license at home & can come back later. But I’m concerned about those who don’t, & those who might be turned away and won’t go back."
"When I went into the polling booth to vote this morning I found a driving license a previous voter had left behind. How many people are going to remember their ID today and then promptly lose it in the process of voting? [Post edited 4 May 2023 10:09]
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| Don't forget to vote. on 10:15 - May 4 with 2303 views | J2BLUE |
| Don't forget to vote. on 08:05 - May 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
You do realise you don’t HAVE to vote for him. It’s not like having to support your team through Keane, Hurst and Lambert.
We could get back that utter berk that lost the last two elections, and have another 5 years of the Tories if your prefer? |
That is precisely what he would prefer. |  |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 10:19 - May 4 with 2293 views | J2BLUE |
| Don't forget to vote. on 09:42 - May 3 by BlueBadger |
At this point, the primary objective is to get the Tories out. I'm struggling to see how anyone is going to beat them for sheer, vindictive targeting of the vulnerable, wilful neglect of vital services and functions, outright incompetence and open bigotry and corruption.
The country needs CPR right now. We'll worry about what happens next when we get a pulse. [Post edited 3 May 2023 9:42]
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| Don't forget to vote. on 11:13 - May 4 with 2247 views | Darth_Koont |
| Don't forget to vote. on 09:42 - May 3 by BlueBadger |
At this point, the primary objective is to get the Tories out. I'm struggling to see how anyone is going to beat them for sheer, vindictive targeting of the vulnerable, wilful neglect of vital services and functions, outright incompetence and open bigotry and corruption.
The country needs CPR right now. We'll worry about what happens next when we get a pulse. [Post edited 3 May 2023 9:42]
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That’s all very well. But do you honestly think that Starmer and Labour are fit for purpose? If not, how do you change that by voting for them.
“Better than the Tories” isn’t nearly enough when the differences are marginal. Just like charging for plastic bags is better than people wasting plastic but isn’t getting serious about climate change.
On top of which, Starmer is as compulsive a liar as Johnson but with an authoritarian streak thrown in. I don’t think people are taking that danger seriously enough.
The UK can’t keep pitching right with self-serving opportunists at the helm – that’s what’s brought us here over the past couple of decades and left the majority to dangle. | |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 11:59 - May 4 with 2219 views | positivity |
| Don't forget to vote. on 11:13 - May 4 by Darth_Koont |
That’s all very well. But do you honestly think that Starmer and Labour are fit for purpose? If not, how do you change that by voting for them.
“Better than the Tories” isn’t nearly enough when the differences are marginal. Just like charging for plastic bags is better than people wasting plastic but isn’t getting serious about climate change.
On top of which, Starmer is as compulsive a liar as Johnson but with an authoritarian streak thrown in. I don’t think people are taking that danger seriously enough.
The UK can’t keep pitching right with self-serving opportunists at the helm – that’s what’s brought us here over the past couple of decades and left the majority to dangle. |
badger's spot on. let's get better, then keep getting better.
your solution seems to be "don't care, don't vote", which amplifies the tory vote and enables them to make things worse and worse. this isn't fair on the poor who will be the victims of the tories' incompetence and greed
don't make the perfect the enemy of the good. vote for better, vote for the best possible candidate who can win [Post edited 4 May 2023 12:02]
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| Don't forget to vote. on 12:33 - May 4 with 2145 views | DJR |
| Don't forget to vote. on 10:07 - May 4 by DJR |
A couple of good comments on Twitter about voter ID.
"Walked past polling station on after school drop off. But I don’t have my ID with me so can’t vote. I’m lucky to have a passport & driving license at home & can come back later. But I’m concerned about those who don’t, & those who might be turned away and won’t go back."
"When I went into the polling booth to vote this morning I found a driving license a previous voter had left behind. How many people are going to remember their ID today and then promptly lose it in the process of voting? [Post edited 4 May 2023 10:09]
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As an election agent on numerous occasions, I generally like to have a brief word with the officials in the polling station about turn out and the like.
Today, I enquired as to whether many people had had issues with voter ID but was told that was not something they were allowed to discuss.
I guess we will never know the truth. | | | |
| Don't forget to vote. on 12:42 - May 4 with 2120 views | DJR |
| Don't forget to vote. on 12:33 - May 4 by DJR |
As an election agent on numerous occasions, I generally like to have a brief word with the officials in the polling station about turn out and the like.
Today, I enquired as to whether many people had had issues with voter ID but was told that was not something they were allowed to discuss.
I guess we will never know the truth. |
This from a Guardian reader.
"Just been to the polling station: tellers outside were turning people without ID away instead of sending them in to be recorded for the so called evaluation. Numbers will be meaningless if this is widespread." | | | |
| Don't forget to vote. on 13:05 - May 4 with 2081 views | Darth_Koont |
| Don't forget to vote. on 11:59 - May 4 by positivity |
badger's spot on. let's get better, then keep getting better.
your solution seems to be "don't care, don't vote", which amplifies the tory vote and enables them to make things worse and worse. this isn't fair on the poor who will be the victims of the tories' incompetence and greed
don't make the perfect the enemy of the good. vote for better, vote for the best possible candidate who can win [Post edited 4 May 2023 12:02]
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That seems logical but in reality has just been an excuse to ignore the vast majority and their needs.
Time to stop fooling ourselves (or letting ourselves get fooled) that voting for a “different” right-wing establishment party delivers anything but the same settlement and trajectory.
Also, but this is surely important, Starmer is the least honest politician I’ve ever seen. In just 8 years he’s made multiple 180s on what he’s promised people. For me, it’s certainly not evident that he and Labour will be better than Sunak’s Tories. Looks more and more like a new stage in our decline as a country than anything else. | |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 13:13 - May 4 with 2052 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Don't forget to vote. on 09:42 - May 3 by BlueBadger |
At this point, the primary objective is to get the Tories out. I'm struggling to see how anyone is going to beat them for sheer, vindictive targeting of the vulnerable, wilful neglect of vital services and functions, outright incompetence and open bigotry and corruption.
The country needs CPR right now. We'll worry about what happens next when we get a pulse. [Post edited 3 May 2023 9:42]
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Quite. I'm starting to wonder if Starmer has got the memo though. His flip flopping and backtracking could bite him on the arris. He's practically writing the Tory attack lines for them.
He needs to do better. If he's now being compared to Clegg over the reversal on tuition fees, I can see his lead getting eroded pretty quickly. |  |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 13:17 - May 4 with 2035 views | positivity |
| Don't forget to vote. on 13:05 - May 4 by Darth_Koont |
That seems logical but in reality has just been an excuse to ignore the vast majority and their needs.
Time to stop fooling ourselves (or letting ourselves get fooled) that voting for a “different” right-wing establishment party delivers anything but the same settlement and trajectory.
Also, but this is surely important, Starmer is the least honest politician I’ve ever seen. In just 8 years he’s made multiple 180s on what he’s promised people. For me, it’s certainly not evident that he and Labour will be better than Sunak’s Tories. Looks more and more like a new stage in our decline as a country than anything else. |
that is logical, vote for the best possible option. if you don't vote then the worst possible option may get in and it's on you.
if you want to get involved with an even better option and get them into a winning position for next time, go for it. i encourage it. but sitting on your hands today just enables the tories and accelerates the destruction of the climate and the nhs.
you've posted a lot of nonsense over the years, but "starmer is the LEAST honest politician i've EVER seen", shows just how far down the conspiracy rabbithole you are.
that's utterly ridiculous, how can you take yourself seriously with tripe like that, let alone anyone else!! | |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 13:39 - May 4 with 1987 views | Darth_Koont |
| Don't forget to vote. on 13:17 - May 4 by positivity |
that is logical, vote for the best possible option. if you don't vote then the worst possible option may get in and it's on you.
if you want to get involved with an even better option and get them into a winning position for next time, go for it. i encourage it. but sitting on your hands today just enables the tories and accelerates the destruction of the climate and the nhs.
you've posted a lot of nonsense over the years, but "starmer is the LEAST honest politician i've EVER seen", shows just how far down the conspiracy rabbithole you are.
that's utterly ridiculous, how can you take yourself seriously with tripe like that, let alone anyone else!! |
Unfortunately, you and others seem to be blithely ignorant of (or uncaring about) his broken pledges and lies.
Entirely in keeping with the accepted standard of politics and political debate.
Have a read, don’t have a read:
https://novaramedia.com/2021/09/29/keir-starmer-is-just-as-dishonest-as-boris-jo
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/keir-starmer-broken-promises-political-lying-di | |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 13:42 - May 4 with 1976 views | DJR |
| Don't forget to vote. on 13:17 - May 4 by positivity |
that is logical, vote for the best possible option. if you don't vote then the worst possible option may get in and it's on you.
if you want to get involved with an even better option and get them into a winning position for next time, go for it. i encourage it. but sitting on your hands today just enables the tories and accelerates the destruction of the climate and the nhs.
you've posted a lot of nonsense over the years, but "starmer is the LEAST honest politician i've EVER seen", shows just how far down the conspiracy rabbithole you are.
that's utterly ridiculous, how can you take yourself seriously with tripe like that, let alone anyone else!! |
As a Labour Party member who voted for him, I feel he did get in on false pretences given his various U-turns.
The thing is had I known he would turn out like this politically, I would have voted for Lisa Nandy, who I thought was a bit too centrist, because she is more relatable and did particularly well in focus groups about the Labour leadership election. [Post edited 4 May 2023 13:43]
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| Don't forget to vote. on 13:43 - May 4 with 1963 views | J2BLUE |
He's definitely far from perfect. Seems to need 3 weeks to decide their position on anything but even if you think he might be as bad, why would you allow the one who will definitely be that bad to get another five years? | |
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| Don't forget to vote. on 13:50 - May 4 with 1931 views | positivity |
as usual no response to the meat of the topic: " Don't forget to vote."
vote for the best possible option. if you don't vote then the worst possible option may get in and it's on you.
if you want to get involved with an even better option and get them into a winning position for next time, go for it. i encourage it. but sitting on your hands today just enables the tories and accelerates the destruction of the climate and the nhs.
you've posted a lot of nonsense over the years, but "starmer is the LEAST honest politician i've EVER seen", shows just how far down the conspiracy rabbithole you are.
that's utterly ridiculous, how can you take yourself seriously with tripe like that, let alone anyone else!!
even your obscure articles, don't say "starmer is the LEAST honest politician i've EVER seen"! not exactly peer-reviewed evidence is it?!
for every novara media article trashing starmer, i'm sure someone could find many more trashing corbyn. doesn't make them true either! | |
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