| what we learned from Sunderland 10:52 - Jan 14 with 2334 views | nodge_blue |
1. I thought Davis was terrific and boy we miss him. His direct runs at the defence and his crosses made a huge difference. My mom or pom if you like.
2. Fair play Jackson. You did as well as we can expect. You chased and you scored. Im not the biggest fan but respect to him for the application. Not sure what it all says about Freddie that he didn't even come on. I suspect the game where he slouched off the pitch and seemingly mouthed off at Chaplin has not gone down well behind the scenes. Probably off to Derby or somewhere like that if we get replacements.
3. Chaplin is such an Ipswich player now. He has cemented his affection amongst the fan base like Matt Holland did. Has determination, drive and skill. His finishing is as good as anyone at the club, if not the best.
4. New boys both did well. I thought the winger is tricky in a way that we have been missing. A bit of the Aluko type touch and control to get out of tight situations. He looks exciting. May challenge Broady who still seems to be a bit hit and miss.
5. Really enjoyed the game and the night. I thought the club / announcer should have given a shout out to the Fortuna fans though. That's just seemed to pass unnoticed. And who were those guys with Ashton before the ko in the dugouts? New sponsors of the Magnus stand? They just had an investor type feel about them. [Post edited 14 Jan 2024 10:53]
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 10:56 - Jan 14 with 2255 views | catch74 |
2. I imagine we have bids in for Freddie, waiting to get replacements in the door before we let him go, use him in case of emergency in the mean time. |  |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:02 - Jan 14 with 2204 views | AVJones |
Jackson played very well.
Don’t damn him with faint praise about ‘chasing and application’ because you are ‘not a fan’.
Be straight up and say he played really well, finished his chance brilliantly, and on this occasion it meant we did not significantly miss Hirst. We will in other games, we didn’t today. [Post edited 14 Jan 2024 11:05]
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:06 - Jan 14 with 2161 views | earlsgreenblue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 10:56 - Jan 14 by catch74 |
2. I imagine we have bids in for Freddie, waiting to get replacements in the door before we let him go, use him in case of emergency in the mean time. |
2. Let’s hope that emergency doesn’t arise then, the lack of a work ethic & even more a limited desire will cost us, KJ every time as it stands. | | | |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:07 - Jan 14 with 2151 views | nodge_blue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:02 - Jan 14 by AVJones |
Jackson played very well.
Don’t damn him with faint praise about ‘chasing and application’ because you are ‘not a fan’.
Be straight up and say he played really well, finished his chance brilliantly, and on this occasion it meant we did not significantly miss Hirst. We will in other games, we didn’t today. [Post edited 14 Jan 2024 11:05]
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Im sorry, but Im not sure he played really well. If you want a definition of what really well looks like in attackers, look at Jack Clarke. Someone who look dangerous every attack and making things happen. KJ is not that. It's just my opinion. But I support him during the game and cheer the team on. | |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:10 - Jan 14 with 2096 views | AVJones |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:07 - Jan 14 by nodge_blue |
Im sorry, but Im not sure he played really well. If you want a definition of what really well looks like in attackers, look at Jack Clarke. Someone who look dangerous every attack and making things happen. KJ is not that. It's just my opinion. But I support him during the game and cheer the team on. |
Fair enough, our opinions differ. Thanks for replying. | | | |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:22 - Jan 14 with 2029 views | nodge_blue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 10:56 - Jan 14 by catch74 |
2. I imagine we have bids in for Freddie, waiting to get replacements in the door before we let him go, use him in case of emergency in the mean time. |
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. There did seem to be some noise that Warne wanted him? | |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:30 - Jan 14 with 1984 views | BloomBlue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:07 - Jan 14 by nodge_blue |
Im sorry, but Im not sure he played really well. If you want a definition of what really well looks like in attackers, look at Jack Clarke. Someone who look dangerous every attack and making things happen. KJ is not that. It's just my opinion. But I support him during the game and cheer the team on. |
But Jack Clarke was on the wing, put Jack Clarke in the No.9 role and see what he does.
As KM said after the game, he has asked Jackson to play on the wing and his game stats have been excellent, last night KM asked him to play as the striker, a completely different role. |  | | |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:30 - Jan 14 with 1977 views | catch74 |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:22 - Jan 14 by nodge_blue |
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. There did seem to be some noise that Warne wanted him? |
Yes and Charlton looking too apparently. | |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:33 - Jan 14 with 1951 views | nodge_blue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:30 - Jan 14 by BloomBlue |
But Jack Clarke was on the wing, put Jack Clarke in the No.9 role and see what he does.
As KM said after the game, he has asked Jackson to play on the wing and his game stats have been excellent, last night KM asked him to play as the striker, a completely different role. |
Yeah, I chose the loose term attackers deliberately.
I meant the Jackson post to be a positive rather than a negative. And somehow it's slipping into a negative lol.
But if we want to be objective, you want a number 9 to pose lots of threats and challenges to a centre half. Set them a tough exam paper. KD has a darting run and he closes down well out of possession. And he did that well last night. I just want a few more challenges on that exam paper. | |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:41 - Jan 14 with 1908 views | billlm |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:33 - Jan 14 by nodge_blue |
Yeah, I chose the loose term attackers deliberately.
I meant the Jackson post to be a positive rather than a negative. And somehow it's slipping into a negative lol.
But if we want to be objective, you want a number 9 to pose lots of threats and challenges to a centre half. Set them a tough exam paper. KD has a darting run and he closes down well out of possession. And he did that well last night. I just want a few more challenges on that exam paper. |
Broady hit and miss I agree on, to me not worthy of a starting place away from home,
Your not really allowed to dis broady on here they don't like the truth, |  | | |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:48 - Jan 14 with 1847 views | Herbivore |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:07 - Jan 14 by nodge_blue |
Im sorry, but Im not sure he played really well. If you want a definition of what really well looks like in attackers, look at Jack Clarke. Someone who look dangerous every attack and making things happen. KJ is not that. It's just my opinion. But I support him during the game and cheer the team on. |
If your bar for someone playing really well is them playing as well as one of the best players in the league in Jack Clarke then very few of our players have played really well this season. Jackson, for me, did really well last night. He led the press in a similar fashion to Hirst, made some really good runs, not least for his goal and the one he narrowly failed to get a toe on from Burns' cross. That Sunderland resorted to cynically fouling him to stop his quick pressing was quite telling I thought. An all round very good centre forward performance from him. |  |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:48 - Jan 14 with 1843 views | nodge_blue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:41 - Jan 14 by billlm |
Broady hit and miss I agree on, to me not worthy of a starting place away from home,
Your not really allowed to dis broady on here they don't like the truth, |
I think most people can see Broady drifts in and out of the game a bit. Even Kieron said something along the lines of his physicality / energy needs to be a bit higher after he played well away somewhere.
I think he will come again. I said before that a cross between him and Harness would be ideal. I think he plays with a bit more energy but perhaps not quite the skill levels. | |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:54 - Jan 14 with 1792 views | nodge_blue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:48 - Jan 14 by Herbivore |
If your bar for someone playing really well is them playing as well as one of the best players in the league in Jack Clarke then very few of our players have played really well this season. Jackson, for me, did really well last night. He led the press in a similar fashion to Hirst, made some really good runs, not least for his goal and the one he narrowly failed to get a toe on from Burns' cross. That Sunderland resorted to cynically fouling him to stop his quick pressing was quite telling I thought. An all round very good centre forward performance from him. |
Well it's a bit of Sunday morning debate if nothing else.
What we are into now is me giving him a bit of kudos versus he did really well and as a result can be regarded as a suitable starting number 9. Perhaps to see out the season.
Shall I just fall on my sword and say he played really well on the night for the sake of board harmony :-) | |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 12:03 - Jan 14 with 1716 views | Herbivore |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:54 - Jan 14 by nodge_blue |
Well it's a bit of Sunday morning debate if nothing else.
What we are into now is me giving him a bit of kudos versus he did really well and as a result can be regarded as a suitable starting number 9. Perhaps to see out the season.
Shall I just fall on my sword and say he played really well on the night for the sake of board harmony :-) |
There's a middle ground where we can acknowledge that it was a really good display from him last night whilst also feeling he's not what we need to lead the line for the next 20 games. His attributes are well suited to certain games, actually often against some of the better sides, so I would be pretty comfortable with him starting again against Leicester but we need someone with more physicality to lead the line going forward. Jackson is a very good squad option to have though and there's a reason McKenna likes him so much. He understands the system and the roles within it well and he's a versatile squad option who rarely lets us down. | |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 12:13 - Jan 14 with 1632 views | Simonds92 |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:07 - Jan 14 by nodge_blue |
Im sorry, but Im not sure he played really well. If you want a definition of what really well looks like in attackers, look at Jack Clarke. Someone who look dangerous every attack and making things happen. KJ is not that. It's just my opinion. But I support him during the game and cheer the team on. |
Did he look dangerous on every attack or is that just the aura around him because we all know he's fantastic at this level? I thought H Clarke handled him really well and kept him quiet. For me, the keeper should have saved his effort as well and then we would be saying how ineffective Clarke was imo. [Post edited 14 Jan 2024 12:14]
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 12:15 - Jan 14 with 1618 views | nodge_blue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 12:03 - Jan 14 by Herbivore |
There's a middle ground where we can acknowledge that it was a really good display from him last night whilst also feeling he's not what we need to lead the line for the next 20 games. His attributes are well suited to certain games, actually often against some of the better sides, so I would be pretty comfortable with him starting again against Leicester but we need someone with more physicality to lead the line going forward. Jackson is a very good squad option to have though and there's a reason McKenna likes him so much. He understands the system and the roles within it well and he's a versatile squad option who rarely lets us down. |
I don't disagree with any of that.
I think at times of examples of players. And Billy Sharpe comes to mind at championship level. Going back even to when he played for Doncaster against us. A off the shoulder forward who just went at our defence all game and didn't give them a minutes rest. Physical even though small. Tough to get off the ball. Direct. Good finisher. Always on the move.
With KJ he has been here about five years now? And most of that has been as number 9.
I just feel we cant keep clinging to this hope that he's the answer. But as a squad player who comes on when needed then that's ok. Right now though we are top 2.
Everyone must know where Im coming from surely? I support the guy but let's not over state the case.
Id still want the word really removed from your first sentence before we issue an agreed UN stance on the position lol. | |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 12:16 - Jan 14 with 1599 views | Vegtablue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:33 - Jan 14 by nodge_blue |
Yeah, I chose the loose term attackers deliberately.
I meant the Jackson post to be a positive rather than a negative. And somehow it's slipping into a negative lol.
But if we want to be objective, you want a number 9 to pose lots of threats and challenges to a centre half. Set them a tough exam paper. KD has a darting run and he closes down well out of possession. And he did that well last night. I just want a few more challenges on that exam paper. |
As far as exam papers go though, I honestly thought the one set by Jackson yesterday was as good as half the papers set by Hirst in his time here. Sometimes Hirst links up brilliantly and sometimes he has more of a trampoline touch, while his finishing is hit-and-miss. But the physicality and pressure are always there, so when it's not going for him he still provides a lot on the pitch. Jackson's harrying is the best we have (he's 2nd in the league for winning possession in the final third) and last night he provided the quality when it mattered most, so I was very happy with him.
Jackson's peak is Hirst's middle, IMO. | | | |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 12:24 - Jan 14 with 1518 views | nodge_blue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 12:16 - Jan 14 by Vegtablue |
As far as exam papers go though, I honestly thought the one set by Jackson yesterday was as good as half the papers set by Hirst in his time here. Sometimes Hirst links up brilliantly and sometimes he has more of a trampoline touch, while his finishing is hit-and-miss. But the physicality and pressure are always there, so when it's not going for him he still provides a lot on the pitch. Jackson's harrying is the best we have (he's 2nd in the league for winning possession in the final third) and last night he provided the quality when it mattered most, so I was very happy with him.
Jackson's peak is Hirst's middle, IMO. |
Yeah fair enough. Id certainly start with Jackson at Leicester in the absence of anyone coming in. Im sure last nights game will give him a boost of confidence. | |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 12:43 - Jan 14 with 1422 views | BloomBlue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 11:33 - Jan 14 by nodge_blue |
Yeah, I chose the loose term attackers deliberately.
I meant the Jackson post to be a positive rather than a negative. And somehow it's slipping into a negative lol.
But if we want to be objective, you want a number 9 to pose lots of threats and challenges to a centre half. Set them a tough exam paper. KD has a darting run and he closes down well out of possession. And he did that well last night. I just want a few more challenges on that exam paper. |
I understand that, but all teams need variety. Hirst gives us a physical height, but has struggled against 2 CHs who also like a header.
The funny thing is I think the 2 Sunderland CHs would have been happier with Hirst/balls at head height last night after the Newcastle game than Jackson nipping around them.
I don't think anyone believes Jackson is going to be our main striker in a fully fit squad but last night he was our main striker and the win was as much down to his performance as any player.
I will also add as I did on another post that finish for his goal was as good as any finish you'll see. | | | |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 13:20 - Jan 14 with 1186 views | nodge_blue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 12:43 - Jan 14 by BloomBlue |
I understand that, but all teams need variety. Hirst gives us a physical height, but has struggled against 2 CHs who also like a header.
The funny thing is I think the 2 Sunderland CHs would have been happier with Hirst/balls at head height last night after the Newcastle game than Jackson nipping around them.
I don't think anyone believes Jackson is going to be our main striker in a fully fit squad but last night he was our main striker and the win was as much down to his performance as any player.
I will also add as I did on another post that finish for his goal was as good as any finish you'll see. |
I think you may have a point that the big centre halves may have preferred Hirst.
I feel Ive moved to a ACAS negotiated settlement on Jackson last night. But as you alluded to he's not a life raft that we all are going to be clinging onto. We need a bigger ship to sail into view. | |
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| what we learned from Sunderland on 13:30 - Jan 14 with 1101 views | Vegtablue |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 13:20 - Jan 14 by nodge_blue |
I think you may have a point that the big centre halves may have preferred Hirst.
I feel Ive moved to a ACAS negotiated settlement on Jackson last night. But as you alluded to he's not a life raft that we all are going to be clinging onto. We need a bigger ship to sail into view. |
Well put 😅 | | | |
| what we learned from Sunderland on 13:32 - Jan 14 with 1089 views | RobTheMonk |
David is either going to be instrumental in getting us promoted, or sold for a huge profit if we don’t |  | | |
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