| Is this true or is a fake? 11:36 - Aug 29 with 2476 views | FrimleyBlue |
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| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:38 - Aug 29 with 2371 views | berkstractorboy |
True, the 6 CL/EL teams had ties so couldnt be drawn together based on European game weeks. To fix some home and away is very wrong. |  | | |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:40 - Aug 29 with 2317 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
It is correct.
They had a draw before the matches were played to decide whether the teams involved in Europe would be at home or away. The reasoning is that they could not face each other so that those playing different weeks in Europe didn't end up facing each other in the EFL Cup.
As I have pointed out on another thread, there were better solutions that did not guarantee keeping them from facing each other. |  |
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| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:40 - Aug 29 with 2304 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:38 - Aug 29 by berkstractorboy |
True, the 6 CL/EL teams had ties so couldnt be drawn together based on European game weeks. To fix some home and away is very wrong. |
It's not fixed, it's still drawn randomly Home/Away like it would've been in the old style draw. |  |
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| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:41 - Aug 29 with 2254 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:38 - Aug 29 by berkstractorboy |
True, the 6 CL/EL teams had ties so couldnt be drawn together based on European game weeks. To fix some home and away is very wrong. |
To fix it so those six had a better than 50/50 chance of being at home was so wrong.
The justification for it was laughable. |  |
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| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:42 - Aug 29 with 2235 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:38 - Aug 29 by berkstractorboy |
True, the 6 CL/EL teams had ties so couldnt be drawn together based on European game weeks. To fix some home and away is very wrong. |
They drew for whether they were home or away. They didn't "fix" that.
However, they used 6 balls, 3 home and 3 away. Instead of leaving the balls out once drawn, they returned them to the bowl. It is quite conceivable that the same ball was drawn out 4 times before the first away one was drawn. | |
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| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:44 - Aug 29 with 2163 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:41 - Aug 29 by Pinewoodblue |
To fix it so those six had a better than 50/50 chance of being at home was so wrong.
The justification for it was laughable. |
They didn't (quite) fix that (unless the home balls were warmed up!)
However, there is no reason they couldn't have left the balls out and ensured that half were at home and the other half away. Or they could have used 12 balls so that there was some chance all were at home (or away) but it was unlikely. | |
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| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:44 - Aug 29 with 2140 views | berkstractorboy |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:40 - Aug 29 by JammyDodgerrr |
It's not fixed, it's still drawn randomly Home/Away like it would've been in the old style draw. |
I didn't realise those 6 had a draw to determine 1-4 were home for Euro team and 5-6 away. Still makes sure more of the 'better' teams avoid each other now and progress.
They all play weakened teams at this stage anyway due to european involvement so why mess with it.
However I get the argument that for 6 teams it gets them a big club and payday so helping the smaller clubs. I would consider we did that to help AFC Dons, good samaritans and all that! | | | |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:54 - Aug 29 with 1925 views | HighgateBlue |
I hate this draw. Just hate it. There are plenty of things wrong with English football, but unfairness to those already at the top is NOT one of them. Giving them more of a leg up is just so demonstrably unfair. Allowing teams from higher divisions to enter cup competitions later is an established tradition in English football, but there should be no more assistance than that, for those at the top. If they're in Europe, great, good for them, but how is that relevant to /this/ Cup? It's not. They're in or they're out. They can't be in, but only if they get extra help.
I'm very annoyed to have lost last night, and it's a bit sad when people say (claim?) that they are happy we lost, but yes, this draw is a joke, and I'm not distraught at the loss of the chance to win this thing.
What I disagree with from the tweet is Premier League or nothing. I'm one of those people that kind of doesn't mind the FA Cup. Call me old fashioned, but I even /go/ to games in the FA Cup. No idea why so many fewer people are interested in seeing Town in it. On paper we have a decent chance this year, not least because by the time the 3rd round comes around, our newer players will have had chance to integrate. |  | | |
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| Is this true or is a fake? on 12:00 - Aug 29 with 1801 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:54 - Aug 29 by HighgateBlue |
I hate this draw. Just hate it. There are plenty of things wrong with English football, but unfairness to those already at the top is NOT one of them. Giving them more of a leg up is just so demonstrably unfair. Allowing teams from higher divisions to enter cup competitions later is an established tradition in English football, but there should be no more assistance than that, for those at the top. If they're in Europe, great, good for them, but how is that relevant to /this/ Cup? It's not. They're in or they're out. They can't be in, but only if they get extra help.
I'm very annoyed to have lost last night, and it's a bit sad when people say (claim?) that they are happy we lost, but yes, this draw is a joke, and I'm not distraught at the loss of the chance to win this thing.
What I disagree with from the tweet is Premier League or nothing. I'm one of those people that kind of doesn't mind the FA Cup. Call me old fashioned, but I even /go/ to games in the FA Cup. No idea why so many fewer people are interested in seeing Town in it. On paper we have a decent chance this year, not least because by the time the 3rd round comes around, our newer players will have had chance to integrate. |
The relevance is that the next round is being played the same 2 weeks as the European competition that these clubs are involved in. Some will be playing in the first week and some in the second week. It is therefore necessary to prevent one playing in the first week drawing one playing in the second week against each other. To avoid that, put those from each week in a separate pot, draw half of the rest of the balls and put them in each pot and then do the draw in two halves.
If the issue is that the European sides don't yet know their draw, wait until after the European draw to do the domestic draw! Easy! [Post edited 29 Aug 2024 12:01]
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| Is this true or is a fake? on 12:38 - Aug 29 with 1531 views | crouchendyachtclub |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:44 - Aug 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
They didn't (quite) fix that (unless the home balls were warmed up!)
However, there is no reason they couldn't have left the balls out and ensured that half were at home and the other half away. Or they could have used 12 balls so that there was some chance all were at home (or away) but it was unlikely. |
That wouldn't be truely random though. It still needs to be possible for all to be home or away, otherwise you really are fixing that 3 of them get home games. | | | |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 12:46 - Aug 29 with 1404 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Is this true or is a fake? on 11:42 - Aug 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
They drew for whether they were home or away. They didn't "fix" that.
However, they used 6 balls, 3 home and 3 away. Instead of leaving the balls out once drawn, they returned them to the bowl. It is quite conceivable that the same ball was drawn out 4 times before the first away one was drawn. |
That is surely the right way to do it though, otherwise the draw is in effect fixed by ensuring 3 are at home and 3 away?
Focusing solely on the home/away aspect I mean and not whether keeping them apart in the first place is right (which I don’t think it is…) |  |
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