| Evolution - Rebuilding Season 23:20 - Sep 1 with 534 views | SufolkBlues123 |
I can understand the frustration with regards to the sale of Woolfenden, the loan of Chappers and the exits of Morsy, Broadhead and Co, but as a collective, the team must evolve and look forwards.
To an extent, I’d argue the wrong players have been sold, ie Chappers was an integral part of the initial McKenna system that worked so well, and Morsy was the voice that the boys needed in the dressing room. I don’t believe we have recruited particularly well, but we must back the boys, and the vision McKenna has in mind.
Most of the team who got us back to back promotions are no longer here, but look at the clubs they are now at. Most of them are at lower end Championship / League One teams. If we remained sentimental to these players, we’d be a lower end Championship side too. McKenna and Ashton have had to be ruthless to put us on the best path moving forwards.
The first few games of this season have really set the tone of what is going to happen. Unfortunately, I think we need to accept this could be a rebuilding season, and one where new tactics, and new players are integrated into this new way of playing. It’s the Evolution of Ipswich Town and we must come to terms with it.
Whereas in the 23/24 season, we played quick, fancy football, our approach this season is more systematic, and slower to draw the opposition out of a mid or low block. The players have had a season of being that low block team in the Premier League, and one who didn’t have much possession of the ball. This season, we’ll see more of the ball and teams with sit back and defend deep against us (Derby did this last week and frustrated us to great effect).
There is a shift in dynamic now, and the new players must make that step up, and make positions their own. There is a lot of competition for places now, and a bad game must be recognised by McKenna to allow the team to attack this league.
It’s going to take some getting used to, and the sad reality of our promotion heroes are no longer here, but Rome wasn’t built in a day, and definitely not built by the same personnel who started the job. |  | | |  |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:22 - Sep 1 with 523 views | pointofblue |
Let's not starting making excuses. Promotion was the target at the start of the season and it should still be. Anything less and questions, at the very least, should be asked of how we've gone about our business. | |
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| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:27 - Sep 1 with 482 views | SufolkBlues123 |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:22 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
Let's not starting making excuses. Promotion was the target at the start of the season and it should still be. Anything less and questions, at the very least, should be asked of how we've gone about our business. |
I totally agree, the business does need to be questioned. Not only from this season, but last season as well. We weren’t protected by the Delap sale as Ashton said, we had a stroppy Hutchinson threw his toys out the pram when it came to the level of football he was playing.
But to expect 11 new players to come in, to replace the old guard, with new tactics and new ideas to just hit the ground running is simply unachievable. The club is going through a rebuild, and whilst the team looks amazing on paper, performance wise, it isn’t. | | | |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:30 - Sep 1 with 449 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:27 - Sep 1 by SufolkBlues123 |
I totally agree, the business does need to be questioned. Not only from this season, but last season as well. We weren’t protected by the Delap sale as Ashton said, we had a stroppy Hutchinson threw his toys out the pram when it came to the level of football he was playing.
But to expect 11 new players to come in, to replace the old guard, with new tactics and new ideas to just hit the ground running is simply unachievable. The club is going through a rebuild, and whilst the team looks amazing on paper, performance wise, it isn’t. |
Other clubs go through team transformations like ours and perform from the off.
Dunno about the system etc but a lot of our recruits have performed badly |  | | |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:34 - Sep 1 with 422 views | pointofblue |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:27 - Sep 1 by SufolkBlues123 |
I totally agree, the business does need to be questioned. Not only from this season, but last season as well. We weren’t protected by the Delap sale as Ashton said, we had a stroppy Hutchinson threw his toys out the pram when it came to the level of football he was playing.
But to expect 11 new players to come in, to replace the old guard, with new tactics and new ideas to just hit the ground running is simply unachievable. The club is going through a rebuild, and whilst the team looks amazing on paper, performance wise, it isn’t. |
That is true but it's easy to Accept it as a rebuild with time required to gel. All I would say is look at Sunderland. Look at Burnley last year in the Championship. Neither needed time to find their feet. Straight away they were picking up points. Sunderland have more home wins in three weeks than we've managed since early May 2024. So there's a limit of how much of a valid excuse rebuilding is. If something isn't gelling maybe time isn't the only factor behind it. | |
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| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:35 - Sep 1 with 414 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Do you need some help moving those goalposts over there? |  |
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| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:37 - Sep 1 with 393 views | Suffolktractor |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:27 - Sep 1 by SufolkBlues123 |
I totally agree, the business does need to be questioned. Not only from this season, but last season as well. We weren’t protected by the Delap sale as Ashton said, we had a stroppy Hutchinson threw his toys out the pram when it came to the level of football he was playing.
But to expect 11 new players to come in, to replace the old guard, with new tactics and new ideas to just hit the ground running is simply unachievable. The club is going through a rebuild, and whilst the team looks amazing on paper, performance wise, it isn’t. |
Other than Delap and Hutchinson, it was the managements choice to let the rest go, Luongo, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Broadhead, Burgess, Ogbene, Chaplin, Woolfenden. Probably a few I have missed.
I really hope to be proved wrong but at the moment we have ripped up a very good Champioship team and replaced it with some undoubtably good players who at the moment do not resemble anything like a team.
Had Harry Clark and Wes Burns not been injured, I think they too would have gone. | | | |
| The team is improved, but the fans don’t have an affinity with the new players on 23:37 - Sep 1 with 393 views | unstableblue |
… yet
But Cajuste and Azor are building that, the latter is showing the spirit we want and seems a lovely guy
Jack Clarke has had distractors and hasn’t settled into his Town career.. but that pen under huge pressure starts to build the bond
And I feel the Spaniard, Norwegian and Chilean defector are cult heroes in the making.
But fans built a bond with that double promotion team that is hard to replicate
And the blue army need to play a part and embrace the new |  |
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| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:37 - Sep 1 with 382 views | itfcsuth |
You can’t have a rebuild season after building a £125m squad.
If you are dropping them numbers on a squad, you’re targeting top two slots. |  | | |
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| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:38 - Sep 1 with 369 views | SufolkBlues123 |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:34 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
That is true but it's easy to Accept it as a rebuild with time required to gel. All I would say is look at Sunderland. Look at Burnley last year in the Championship. Neither needed time to find their feet. Straight away they were picking up points. Sunderland have more home wins in three weeks than we've managed since early May 2024. So there's a limit of how much of a valid excuse rebuilding is. If something isn't gelling maybe time isn't the only factor behind it. |
Compare the players Burnley and Sunderland have signed though compared to who we signed. We have spent over £200m and look at the position of the club now. Sunderland have brought in players with Champions League / Top 5 European League experience. Leeds have brought in physical players to put up a fight in games. We hoped Championship players would make the step up. There is a huge difference. | | | |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:40 - Sep 1 with 333 views | pointofblue |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:37 - Sep 1 by Suffolktractor |
Other than Delap and Hutchinson, it was the managements choice to let the rest go, Luongo, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Broadhead, Burgess, Ogbene, Chaplin, Woolfenden. Probably a few I have missed.
I really hope to be proved wrong but at the moment we have ripped up a very good Champioship team and replaced it with some undoubtably good players who at the moment do not resemble anything like a team.
Had Harry Clark and Wes Burns not been injured, I think they too would have gone. |
Not quite. Out of those listed management reportedly wanted to keep Morsy, Tuanzebe, Broadhead, Burgess, Chaplin and Woolfenden.
I'd be happier if they managed to as well, though can accept why each wanted to move on. | |
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| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:42 - Sep 1 with 313 views | SufolkBlues123 |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:37 - Sep 1 by Suffolktractor |
Other than Delap and Hutchinson, it was the managements choice to let the rest go, Luongo, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Broadhead, Burgess, Ogbene, Chaplin, Woolfenden. Probably a few I have missed.
I really hope to be proved wrong but at the moment we have ripped up a very good Champioship team and replaced it with some undoubtably good players who at the moment do not resemble anything like a team.
Had Harry Clark and Wes Burns not been injured, I think they too would have gone. |
Agreed. At the moment we are a team of individuals instead of a team. When we have stoppages, our players are spaced out across the pitch, not seeking further tactical instructions to open up the opposition defence. We need leaders and lack that creative spark with this slower system, the odd moments of magic of running at the defence or kicking the ball down the wings for wingers to chase appear to be a distant memory | | | |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:42 - Sep 1 with 310 views | Reti |
Can’t break the championship transfer record, spend big on signings most clubs in the league could only dream of and then call it a rebuilding season. Firmly in no excuse territory however many players we need to bed in. Burnley had an equally big turnover last season and got promoted so it can be done. Not to mention we’ve done deals with promotion dependant obligations, that should outline what the expection should be, and is, in itself. | | | |
| The team is improved, but the fans don’t have an affinity with the new players on 23:42 - Sep 1 with 306 views | positivity |
| The team is improved, but the fans don’t have an affinity with the new players on 23:37 - Sep 1 by unstableblue |
… yet
But Cajuste and Azor are building that, the latter is showing the spirit we want and seems a lovely guy
Jack Clarke has had distractors and hasn’t settled into his Town career.. but that pen under huge pressure starts to build the bond
And I feel the Spaniard, Norwegian and Chilean defector are cult heroes in the making.
But fans built a bond with that double promotion team that is hard to replicate
And the blue army need to play a part and embrace the new |
agree with all that
plus clarke did particularly well to score that pen with all the distractors! | |
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| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:46 - Sep 1 with 221 views | SufolkBlues123 |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:42 - Sep 1 by Reti |
Can’t break the championship transfer record, spend big on signings most clubs in the league could only dream of and then call it a rebuilding season. Firmly in no excuse territory however many players we need to bed in. Burnley had an equally big turnover last season and got promoted so it can be done. Not to mention we’ve done deals with promotion dependant obligations, that should outline what the expection should be, and is, in itself. |
We’re ambitious, I agree. But ambition doesn’t equal the team being able to adequately gel and compete. Look at Nottingham Forest’s first season in the Premier League, they just scraped survival and have been able to grow on the back of that season. They brought in 20+ players and didn’t look like a proper team until February.
Our aims are well and truly to get back into the Premier League, but it is a hard division to get out of in any event. [Post edited 1 Sep 23:48]
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| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:49 - Sep 1 with 182 views | Suffolktractor |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:40 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
Not quite. Out of those listed management reportedly wanted to keep Morsy, Tuanzebe, Broadhead, Burgess, Chaplin and Woolfenden.
I'd be happier if they managed to as well, though can accept why each wanted to move on. |
My point is that had management really wanted to keep those six players they could have negotiated better terms, but they didn’t.
Let’s all hope the many replacements do gel really quickly and prove management right. | | | |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:51 - Sep 1 with 163 views | pointofblue |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:49 - Sep 1 by Suffolktractor |
My point is that had management really wanted to keep those six players they could have negotiated better terms, but they didn’t.
Let’s all hope the many replacements do gel really quickly and prove management right. |
I think all of them wanted first team football, other than Morsy who had a life changing contract offer. And we didn't want to promise them that. | |
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| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:59 - Sep 1 with 136 views | positivity |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:51 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
I think all of them wanted first team football, other than Morsy who had a life changing contract offer. And we didn't want to promise them that. |
tuanzebe didn't want first team football; he had that and moved to burnley and has played even less than hladky so far!
seriously though we couldn't promise them a guaranteed start, no serious club would unless they're absolutely desperate | |
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| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 00:04 - Sep 2 with 115 views | pointofblue |
| Evolution - Rebuilding Season on 23:59 - Sep 1 by positivity |
tuanzebe didn't want first team football; he had that and moved to burnley and has played even less than hladky so far!
seriously though we couldn't promise them a guaranteed start, no serious club would unless they're absolutely desperate |
You'll be shocked to what this but I think Tuanzebe's been injured.
I think the likes of Swansea, Portsmouth, Wrexham and Coventry have offered them starting places, and I wouldn't say any of them are desperate. | |
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