| “Bad Recruitment” 23:37 - Dec 3 with 1705 views | Chris_ITFC |
I don’t buy it. This is all about tactics and man management.
Look at who we’ve signed in the last 2 years. They weren’t good enough for the Premier League, but this squad absolutely should be now.
Proven Championship performers:
Clarke (Sunderland)
Philogene (Hull)
Greaves (Hull)
O’Shea (WBA)
Szmodics (Blackburn)
Nunez (*******)
Akpom (Boro)
Kipre (WBA)
Furlong (WBA)
Ogbene (Rotherham)
Muric (Burnley)
Palmer (WBA)
Townsend (WBA)
No Championship experience, but proven quality:
Walle Egeli
Matusiwa
Cajuste
Sold for profit:
Hutchinson
Delap
None of the above:
Azon
McAteer
Johnson
Young
Button
(excl. Prem loans)
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 23:54 - Dec 3 with 1392 views | badadski |
It’s bad recruitment
What player fits in with the mould of what was stated we needed when bullied like little school boys against Newcastle. Pace and physicality. Apart from hirst not one of our midfield or strikers is above 6ft. Not one of our midfielders or strikers has get past your defender pace.
We have a few that can take on the man and get a few yards from them due their technical ability but beyond that we have recruited a team of mid to high technical players with average pace. We can’t break the lines and we can’t get in behind teams like we used to so will have to rely on battling it out, slogging it out and hope that our possession game gets us enough opportunities to put one away which is proving hard at the moment due to how we lack a clinical cutting edge for what ever reason [Post edited 3 Dec 23:56]
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 00:38 - Dec 4 with 1305 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
There’s a very big link between tactics and recruitment! |  |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 02:51 - Dec 4 with 1217 views | Wacko |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 23:54 - Dec 3 by badadski |
It’s bad recruitment
What player fits in with the mould of what was stated we needed when bullied like little school boys against Newcastle. Pace and physicality. Apart from hirst not one of our midfield or strikers is above 6ft. Not one of our midfielders or strikers has get past your defender pace.
We have a few that can take on the man and get a few yards from them due their technical ability but beyond that we have recruited a team of mid to high technical players with average pace. We can’t break the lines and we can’t get in behind teams like we used to so will have to rely on battling it out, slogging it out and hope that our possession game gets us enough opportunities to put one away which is proving hard at the moment due to how we lack a clinical cutting edge for what ever reason [Post edited 3 Dec 23:56]
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Cajuste and Taylor are both over 6ft | |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 06:54 - Dec 4 with 1135 views | Steve_M |
It's less the individuals as the imbalance of the squad: four right backs, no direct cover for Matusiwa or Leif, no working option at 10 and a striker short for the fourth season in a row. |  |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 07:23 - Dec 4 with 1081 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Hmmm disagree…
If you buy a fillet steak, prawn tempura, onion bhajis, Camembert and bbq sauce…. It doesn’t make a roast dinner. |  | | |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 07:57 - Dec 4 with 1030 views | Bluemike31 |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 07:23 - Dec 4 by Matt_Netherlands |
Hmmm disagree…
If you buy a fillet steak, prawn tempura, onion bhajis, Camembert and bbq sauce…. It doesn’t make a roast dinner. |
Agree entirely with the OP, it's not down to the recruitment, it's down to tactics and coaching. Rotation, rotation rotation, square pegs in round holes, the way we have completely nullified Leif Davis as the assist king is a prime example of poor tactics. | | | |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 07:59 - Dec 4 with 1028 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
It is bad recruitment if they don't fit the system. [Post edited 4 Dec 7:59]
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:00 - Dec 4 with 1013 views | Bluemike31 |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 07:59 - Dec 4 by Marshalls_Mullet |
It is bad recruitment if they don't fit the system. [Post edited 4 Dec 7:59]
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Then change the system, it's mind numbing anyway. | | | |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:07 - Dec 4 with 981 views | Chris_ITFC |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 07:23 - Dec 4 by Matt_Netherlands |
Hmmm disagree…
If you buy a fillet steak, prawn tempura, onion bhajis, Camembert and bbq sauce…. It doesn’t make a roast dinner. |
Yes, but you can serve a bloody delicious 3 courses with all those ingredients.
Or you can blend it badly and come up with something revolting. | |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:10 - Dec 4 with 944 views | Chris_ITFC |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 06:54 - Dec 4 by Steve_M |
It's less the individuals as the imbalance of the squad: four right backs, no direct cover for Matusiwa or Leif, no working option at 10 and a striker short for the fourth season in a row. |
Having right backs sat in the stand doesn’t affect performances.
Having Leif play every minute doesn’t either. He’s always done that.
And you can’t have us short at 10 and striker; Akpom is one or the other.
The hard truth is, all these expensive pieces could be put together in a better way. | |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:12 - Dec 4 with 923 views | Chris_ITFC |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 07:59 - Dec 4 by Marshalls_Mullet |
It is bad recruitment if they don't fit the system. [Post edited 4 Dec 7:59]
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But they were bought with the manager’s blessing to play his system. And the system can also be changed, as blasphemous and incomprehensible as that is.
If he can’t get a tune out of that level of proven quality, that’s tactics. | |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:20 - Dec 4 with 877 views | ReusersTown |
What have those proven Championship performers ever achieved in the Championship. Can't see much of a history of winning there. | | | |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:40 - Dec 4 with 829 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:00 - Dec 4 by Bluemike31 |
Then change the system, it's mind numbing anyway. |
I don't run the team. | |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:42 - Dec 4 with 814 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:12 - Dec 4 by Chris_ITFC |
But they were bought with the manager’s blessing to play his system. And the system can also be changed, as blasphemous and incomprehensible as that is.
If he can’t get a tune out of that level of proven quality, that’s tactics. |
I think they are good players, I'm just saying it's bad recruitment if the players and system are not aligned somewhere along the way.
I think recruitment and coaching share the blame. | |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:50 - Dec 4 with 782 views | TownieRob |
Proven Championship players should give you stability at this level. Unfortunately, we signed a lot of these lads with the idea that we’d be ‘relentless in our approach’ to the Premier League. As I said in another post, the only two signings who actually made the transition are now, quite rightly, back in the Premier League this season.
You can dress it up however you like, but the truth is there in front of us. What we’re seeing on the pitch strongly suggests the recruitment just hasn’t been good enough.
And if you want an example of how it should be done, just look at Sunderland. They’re absolutely flying, that’s what 'good' recruitment looks like. | | | |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:54 - Dec 4 with 767 views | pablo_canooga |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:50 - Dec 4 by TownieRob |
Proven Championship players should give you stability at this level. Unfortunately, we signed a lot of these lads with the idea that we’d be ‘relentless in our approach’ to the Premier League. As I said in another post, the only two signings who actually made the transition are now, quite rightly, back in the Premier League this season.
You can dress it up however you like, but the truth is there in front of us. What we’re seeing on the pitch strongly suggests the recruitment just hasn’t been good enough.
And if you want an example of how it should be done, just look at Sunderland. They’re absolutely flying, that’s what 'good' recruitment looks like. |
TomTheWriter nailed it yesterday.
Problematic Recruitment by TomTheWriter 3 Dec 11:09For me the player recruitment isn’t the problem, it’s the profile recruitment.
The players are good. There’s almost 100 goals between Akpom, Sammie, Jaden and Clarke from a few seasons back. On paper the majority of signings are good because they dominated the league with other teams. The problem is they don’t fit the rigid way we want to play.
It’s the same with Southampton. They took Azaz and Fellows very late, 2 of the best in the Champ for Boro and W.Brom. They struggled hugely under Still, but in the 5 games since his sacking Azaz has 5 goals and 1 assist. Good player, wrong style, now clearly the right style.
We either need McKenna to play in a way that suits the players, or you choose someone else. I don’t want us spending another £150m without one of the above changing
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 09:00 - Dec 4 with 735 views | bobbyramsey |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:50 - Dec 4 by TownieRob |
Proven Championship players should give you stability at this level. Unfortunately, we signed a lot of these lads with the idea that we’d be ‘relentless in our approach’ to the Premier League. As I said in another post, the only two signings who actually made the transition are now, quite rightly, back in the Premier League this season.
You can dress it up however you like, but the truth is there in front of us. What we’re seeing on the pitch strongly suggests the recruitment just hasn’t been good enough.
And if you want an example of how it should be done, just look at Sunderland. They’re absolutely flying, that’s what 'good' recruitment looks like. |
Sorry for the down vote, fat fingers..... |  | | |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 09:04 - Dec 4 with 716 views | Wright1 |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:00 - Dec 4 by Bluemike31 |
Then change the system, it's mind numbing anyway. |
Yeah it seemed well boring when it rocketed us to double promotion playing free flowing attacking football. | | | |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 09:32 - Dec 4 with 672 views | Pinewoodblue |
Mcateer (Leicester) Young (Watford) & Button(with 6 different clubs) all have Championship experience.
Recruitment this summer wasn’t restricted to players there were several departures from McKenna’s backroom team. Not bad recruitment but recruitment KMc would rather not have had to make. |  |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 10:11 - Dec 4 with 585 views | TownieRob |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:54 - Dec 4 by pablo_canooga |
TomTheWriter nailed it yesterday.
Problematic Recruitment by TomTheWriter 3 Dec 11:09For me the player recruitment isn’t the problem, it’s the profile recruitment.
The players are good. There’s almost 100 goals between Akpom, Sammie, Jaden and Clarke from a few seasons back. On paper the majority of signings are good because they dominated the league with other teams. The problem is they don’t fit the rigid way we want to play.
It’s the same with Southampton. They took Azaz and Fellows very late, 2 of the best in the Champ for Boro and W.Brom. They struggled hugely under Still, but in the 5 games since his sacking Azaz has 5 goals and 1 assist. Good player, wrong style, now clearly the right style.
We either need McKenna to play in a way that suits the players, or you choose someone else. I don’t want us spending another £150m without one of the above changing
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So it is bad recruitment then, isn’t it? We’ve signed players who don’t actually fit the system we’re trying to play.
It all looked a bit of a mismatch. You’ve got lads suited to counter-attacking football (SS), others who look like they need a two-up-top setup (Akpom) and a couple who essentially want to play in the same position (wide left).
I get the arguments people are making, but for me it still doesn’t add up. The recruitment looks messy, the pieces don’t fit together and the result is what we’re watching every week. Far from ideal, and we’re now feeling the consequences of it. | | | |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 10:17 - Dec 4 with 571 views | Bluemike31 |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 09:04 - Dec 4 by Wright1 |
Yeah it seemed well boring when it rocketed us to double promotion playing free flowing attacking football. |
Live in the past for as long as you like, it isn't working anymore, we've been sussed because we are so rigid in our One dimensional approach. | | | |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 10:24 - Dec 4 with 550 views | Smoresy |
Bad recruitment given we had PL aspirations and spent good transfer fees? Parting with eight figures should mean you've identified a player capable of bridging the gap imo, otherwise you've misspent a bit of money. Maybe some will surprise in future.
Bad recruitment for achieving success this season? Most would agree the squad's imbalanced, given our long-established tactics at least. One voracious CDM, no Chaplin equivalent CAM.
Looking dispassionately through the list, do a few stand out as having multiple great seasons at this level or above?
• Akpom had a brilliant season and I believe did okay at Ajax, shadow of their former selves. Now 30.
• Szmodics, one brilliant season, now 30.
• Clarke & Philogene, England youth, flirted with PL, one brilliant season apiece, 25 & 23.
• O'Shea, three PL relegations, West Brom & Ipswich captain, Ireland starting XI, 26.
• Greaves, one brilliant season, 25.
• Nunez, two good seasons(?), 25.
•Kipre, West Brom & Cardiff player of the season(?), 28.
• Cajuste, unwanted by Serie A or PL due to fitness(?), appreciate his quality, 26.
• Matusiwa, respectable seasons in Ligue 1(?), above our level, 27.
• Young, once far above the level but 40.
• Johnson, PL squad filler, demoted by KM, 25.
• McAteer, squad promotion with Leicester, 24.
• Furlong, Townsend, Palmer, multiple solid seasons.
• Ogbene and Muric elsewhere.
We don't have many who have tasted team success at this level, not promotion at least or as main starters, in the case of our old guard. We don't have many who have been a full cut above their Championship peers in multiple seasons. I think you could make a good case for Clarke, O'Shea and Kipre, while Philogene has obvious ability above the average. The majority though have spent more seasons at this level being good or respectable than they have being a top player. We plucked several after a sudden surge, hoping that would be their new floor, but without the certainty of having witnessed it already.
This is an important opportunity for many of them to confirm their class. We need much better from first touches and simple passing pretty much across the board. | | | |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 11:02 - Dec 4 with 486 views | dirtyboy |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:00 - Dec 4 by Bluemike31 |
Then change the system, it's mind numbing anyway. |
Wasn't mind numbing last time we were in the division ffs. |  | | |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 11:15 - Dec 4 with 447 views | Chris_ITFC |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 09:32 - Dec 4 by Pinewoodblue |
Mcateer (Leicester) Young (Watford) & Button(with 6 different clubs) all have Championship experience.
Recruitment this summer wasn’t restricted to players there were several departures from McKenna’s backroom team. Not bad recruitment but recruitment KMc would rather not have had to make. |
Young and Button were bought for more than what they give on the pitch, so it didn’t feel fair to judge them on pure quality. McAteer isn’t a proven Championship performer yet.
My point was that the rest have all comfortably proven they’re good enough to play at this level - so what’s gone wrong since they got here? | |
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| “Bad Recruitment” on 11:17 - Dec 4 with 440 views | Chris_ITFC |
| “Bad Recruitment” on 08:54 - Dec 4 by pablo_canooga |
TomTheWriter nailed it yesterday.
Problematic Recruitment by TomTheWriter 3 Dec 11:09For me the player recruitment isn’t the problem, it’s the profile recruitment.
The players are good. There’s almost 100 goals between Akpom, Sammie, Jaden and Clarke from a few seasons back. On paper the majority of signings are good because they dominated the league with other teams. The problem is they don’t fit the rigid way we want to play.
It’s the same with Southampton. They took Azaz and Fellows very late, 2 of the best in the Champ for Boro and W.Brom. They struggled hugely under Still, but in the 5 games since his sacking Azaz has 5 goals and 1 assist. Good player, wrong style, now clearly the right style.
We either need McKenna to play in a way that suits the players, or you choose someone else. I don’t want us spending another £150m without one of the above changing
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It’s very similar to my point. We’ve bought good players, and should be getting more from them.
It’s not like Kieran has joined us and been handed these players. He bought them to play his system. | |
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