| O'Neil and the lack of charisma 09:50 - Jun 25 with 5059 views | FlowerofScotland |
Is anyone else concerned that a poor start will see little in the way of charity from fans for this man, given his history and the way in which McKenna was always supported through thick and thin?
I can imagine disquiet at boardroom level by xmas if we find ourselves rooted to the foot of the table and positivity from the fans has dwained. |  | | |  |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 09:57 - Jun 25 with 3333 views | tractorboy1978 |
If we are rank bad then yes. But I think fans need to be able to differentiate between a 'poor start' and a 'par start'. My concern is we are going to 17th/18th but fairly competitive at Christmas but a significant number of fans have itchy feet and start showing disquiet. | | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 09:58 - Jun 25 with 3323 views | _CliveBaker_ |
I wouldn't have thought there would be too much positivity from anywhere if we're 'rooted to the foot of the table', irrespective of the manager. Nor should there be.
Last time out was a free hit, we overachieved by getting promoted and we were always going to be up against it to even remain semi competitive. We need a different expectation now though, we're a parachute club bouncing back to the PL. While staying up is still a big ask, its a path that has been trodden by many. We're not plucky little back to back Ipswich now, we've come up with an expensive squad by Championship standards, 18th should be a bare minimum expectation this time, but ideally a place higher. |  | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:03 - Jun 25 with 3276 views | NthQldITFC |
Welcome to TWTD.
Chin up chicken. |  |
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| I’m not sure that GON…. on 10:03 - Jun 25 with 3274 views | Bloots |
….has any less “charisma” than KM.
KM was hardly an effervescent character, I suspect your view may be clouded by his success.
Obviously GON doesn’t have any credit in the bank, so a poor start will inevitably lead to some fans getting on his back. Personally I’ll be comparing what he does to how KM got on during his Premier League season, it will be the only way to remain sane.
Also, I’ve got no idea what “dwained” means. |  |
| "....get on, get on, get on, my groovy train” - Peter Joseph Hooton (Aug 1990) |
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| I’m not sure that GON…. on 10:07 - Jun 25 with 3192 views | blueoutlook |
| I’m not sure that GON…. on 10:03 - Jun 25 by Bloots |
….has any less “charisma” than KM.
KM was hardly an effervescent character, I suspect your view may be clouded by his success.
Obviously GON doesn’t have any credit in the bank, so a poor start will inevitably lead to some fans getting on his back. Personally I’ll be comparing what he does to how KM got on during his Premier League season, it will be the only way to remain sane.
Also, I’ve got no idea what “dwained” means. |
I also found that a strange read. Kieran was hardly the life and soul was he ?
I thought the opposite in O Neil’s press conference, thought he sounded very cocky,maybe to much so. Seemed very confident with himself,not saying that’s a bad thing,you have to believe in yourself, just felt he seemed overly so. |  | | |
| I’m not sure that GON…. on 10:08 - Jun 25 with 3187 views | FlowerofScotland |
| I’m not sure that GON…. on 10:03 - Jun 25 by Bloots |
….has any less “charisma” than KM.
KM was hardly an effervescent character, I suspect your view may be clouded by his success.
Obviously GON doesn’t have any credit in the bank, so a poor start will inevitably lead to some fans getting on his back. Personally I’ll be comparing what he does to how KM got on during his Premier League season, it will be the only way to remain sane.
Also, I’ve got no idea what “dwained” means. |
It's an urban hybrid of dwindled and waned. Possibly only in Scotland though! | | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:09 - Jun 25 with 3172 views | RetroBlue |
OP: Thats the spirit ! How about giving the man a chance ! |  |
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| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:15 - Jun 25 with 3150 views | BlueBadger |
We tried 'charismatic' managers who were good at pressers before. Didn't end well. One if them nearly relegated us twice and the other one did relegate us. [Post edited 25 Jun 10:18]
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| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:15 - Jun 25 with 3135 views | nrb1985 |
This is an utterly terrible take.
Thick and thin? Ppl wanted KM gone as soon as we hit a sticky patch - away at Bristol Rovers anyone?!
Also, lack of charisma?! KM was many things but you'd hardly call him charismatic. Look at his first interview - has the aura of a PE teacher.
Embarrassing post. | | | |
| Gotcha, I say “wandled”. (n/t) on 10:17 - Jun 25 with 3107 views | Bloots |
| I’m not sure that GON…. on 10:08 - Jun 25 by FlowerofScotland |
It's an urban hybrid of dwindled and waned. Possibly only in Scotland though! |
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| "....get on, get on, get on, my groovy train” - Peter Joseph Hooton (Aug 1990) |
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| I’m not sure that GON…. on 10:18 - Jun 25 with 3081 views | nrb1985 |
| I’m not sure that GON…. on 10:03 - Jun 25 by Bloots |
….has any less “charisma” than KM.
KM was hardly an effervescent character, I suspect your view may be clouded by his success.
Obviously GON doesn’t have any credit in the bank, so a poor start will inevitably lead to some fans getting on his back. Personally I’ll be comparing what he does to how KM got on during his Premier League season, it will be the only way to remain sane.
Also, I’ve got no idea what “dwained” means. |
Agree.
The one thing that makes me doubt whether KM can go right to the very top is that he doesn't have much of an energy or presence. Which IMO, is something all the top guys have.
SAF, Pep, Klopp, Tuchel et al to name a few.
KM still gives off PE teacher vibes to some extent - albeit I love that man and always well. | | | |
| I’m not sure that GON…. on 10:18 - Jun 25 with 3074 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| I’m not sure that GON…. on 10:07 - Jun 25 by blueoutlook |
I also found that a strange read. Kieran was hardly the life and soul was he ?
I thought the opposite in O Neil’s press conference, thought he sounded very cocky,maybe to much so. Seemed very confident with himself,not saying that’s a bad thing,you have to believe in yourself, just felt he seemed overly so. |
I thought it was quite refreshing to be honest. I love McKenna and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging the magnitude of the task at hand, but a bit of positivity / confidence / borderline arrogance is quite nice to see and a bit overdue IMO. I lost count of the number of times everything was against us last season - refs, the schedule, the 'quality' opposition we were facing every week. Perhaps it was by design to warn against complacency, but hearing O'Neil talk our chances up and not down was refreshing.
I think we're guilty of a sleepy mentality at times. The only way I can describe O'Neil's press conference is he feels a bit West Ham, not necessarily in a bad way. There's a very different mentality there that's hard to articulate, but a smattering of it here isn't a bad thing. | | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:19 - Jun 25 with 3061 views | FlowerofScotland |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:15 - Jun 25 by nrb1985 |
This is an utterly terrible take.
Thick and thin? Ppl wanted KM gone as soon as we hit a sticky patch - away at Bristol Rovers anyone?!
Also, lack of charisma?! KM was many things but you'd hardly call him charismatic. Look at his first interview - has the aura of a PE teacher.
Embarrassing post. |
If you can't see that KM was indeed charismatic despite being quite a 'quiet' individual that really is your problem and not mine. | | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:19 - Jun 25 with 3049 views | nrb1985 |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:15 - Jun 25 by BlueBadger |
We tried 'charismatic' managers who were good at pressers before. Didn't end well. One if them nearly relegated us twice and the other one did relegate us. [Post edited 25 Jun 10:18]
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Generally agree but Mick had bags of charisma I thought and did a really good job in beyond sh1t circumstances IMO. | | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:21 - Jun 25 with 3008 views | nrb1985 |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:19 - Jun 25 by FlowerofScotland |
If you can't see that KM was indeed charismatic despite being quite a 'quiet' individual that really is your problem and not mine. |
Given that pretty much everyone in this thread has disagreed with your assessment of KM's charisma or otherwise, that rather suggests the problem is yours not mine. | | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:22 - Jun 25 with 2987 views | Wallingford_Boy |
O'Neil has plenty of charisma!.
KMc was hardly Jimmy Carr!
And no, that's not a dig at KMc as a manager before the usuals jump on me! |  |
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| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:28 - Jun 25 with 2950 views | NthQldITFC |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:09 - Jun 25 by RetroBlue |
OP: Thats the spirit ! How about giving the man a chance ! |
New accounts, just after we've been promoted to the division above, often have a strange tendency to negativity, oddly. | |
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| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:29 - Jun 25 with 2954 views | FlowerofScotland |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:21 - Jun 25 by nrb1985 |
Given that pretty much everyone in this thread has disagreed with your assessment of KM's charisma or otherwise, that rather suggests the problem is yours not mine. |
You're confusing volume with charisma. It's a modern world and an easy mistake to make. | | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:32 - Jun 25 with 2918 views | nrb1985 |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:29 - Jun 25 by FlowerofScotland |
You're confusing volume with charisma. It's a modern world and an easy mistake to make. |
Ok boomer. | | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:35 - Jun 25 with 2877 views | BlueBadger |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:19 - Jun 25 by nrb1985 |
Generally agree but Mick had bags of charisma I thought and did a really good job in beyond sh1t circumstances IMO. |
To be fair, he did also do a very bad thing owheb he upset so.w people who were singing sings running down their own team whilst playing away at their local rivals. | |
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| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:36 - Jun 25 with 2861 views | FlowerofScotland |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:32 - Jun 25 by nrb1985 |
Ok boomer. |
I won't take offence at that because I'm both relieved and proud to be a 'Boomer'. | | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:41 - Jun 25 with 2832 views | Basuco |
This may be a shock to you but it is coaching skill and player ability that will dictate our success in staying up, not manager charisma, we are in for a tough year, up or down, follow the Town, just enjoy the ride. |  | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:52 - Jun 25 with 2776 views | FlowerofScotland |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:41 - Jun 25 by Basuco |
This may be a shock to you but it is coaching skill and player ability that will dictate our success in staying up, not manager charisma, we are in for a tough year, up or down, follow the Town, just enjoy the ride. |
Coaching skill as you put it, is as much about making players feel relaxed as anything else.
As soon as tension creeps into a dressing room it becomes a very rocky road. | | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:58 - Jun 25 with 2728 views | springfield |
Character wise reminds me a lot of Southgate |  | | |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 11:16 - Jun 25 with 2590 views | Basuco |
| O'Neil and the lack of charisma on 10:52 - Jun 25 by FlowerofScotland |
Coaching skill as you put it, is as much about making players feel relaxed as anything else.
As soon as tension creeps into a dressing room it becomes a very rocky road. |
I will quote Blue Badger below in case you missed it,
"We tried 'charismatic' managers who were good at pressers before. Didn't end well. One if them nearly relegated us twice and the other one did relegate us."
I will stick with tactical knowledge and coaching skill as a first requirement over perceived charisma. | | | |
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