Forum | Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot by gainsboroughblue

Forum index | Previous Thread | Next thread

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot 11:20 - Jun 29 with 1083 views

gainsboroughblue

Probably not even going to make lunch.

Poll:

Favourite Norwich Relegation?

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:28 - Jun 29 with 1046 views

Steve_M

The opening was ok yesterday IMO but it needed a bit more circumspection once the first two wickets had gone down.

Still a fitting result for the care and attention the ECB have given to red ball cricket in recent years.

Poll:	When are the squad numbers out?
Blog:	Cycle of Hurt

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:41 - Jun 29 with 1003 views

Samuelowen88

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:28 - Jun 29 by Steve_M
The opening was ok yesterday IMO but it needed a bit more circumspection once the first two wickets had gone down. Still a fitting result for the care and attention the ECB have given to red ball cricket in recent years.

Yup, the whole Stokes coming out to bat, sort of makes sense. With a huge target, thow the Kiwi's off and if he gets a quickfire 30/40/50 then great. Ideally he would have got more than he did.

But then for everyone else to continue like they have, has been madness. There was an actual chance to win, if you just bat sensibly here.

It does feel a bit like a final farewell to BazBall. I said on a thread yesterday, I'm not sure how it works without Stokes. Brook just isnt there yet. So do you go with Root as captain? If you do, I don't see him and Baz being aligned.

Poll:

What's more entertaining tonight

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:47 - Jun 29 with 984 views

gainsboroughblue

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:28 - Jun 29 by Steve_M
The opening was ok yesterday IMO but it needed a bit more circumspection once the first two wickets had gone down. Still a fitting result for the care and attention the ECB have given to red ball cricket in recent years.

I didn't have a problem with the opening. It was a hunch and a pinch hitter type tactic that with luck could have yielded more runs. It also stopped NZ from using the new ball to have the standard field (three slips, gully etc) so it neutered a threat and probably spooked them too.

Trouble is, England don't seem to able to stop or switch modes. Even when the second wicket went, Brook was sent out above Root and the craziness was turned up to 11. By the time Emilio Gay finally came out, you had an opener on a pair, in his third test, getting started with an over left and probably unsure what was expected of him.

Poll:

Favourite Norwich Relegation?

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:50 - Jun 29 with 982 views

bsw72

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:28 - Jun 29 by Steve_M
The opening was ok yesterday IMO but it needed a bit more circumspection once the first two wickets had gone down. Still a fitting result for the care and attention the ECB have given to red ball cricket in recent years.

I think Harry Brook is getting off light considering what happened yesterday.

Stokes I kind of understand opening and trying to force the game a little, but Harry Brook has no excuse for the way he batted. What's really frustrated is that now NZ are down a bowler today having lost O'Rourke, actually England could have made more of it now. Imagine scoring at 3-4 per over through today with singles / doubles and putting the odd bad ball away, making the NZ field work hard and tire.

There is always going to be that "one ball" that will get you out especially on a 4th / 5th day pitch, but giving wickets away with cheap slog shots or poor running (although excellent fielding) is what annoys me.

I will say, NZ have been a very effective team in the last 2 matches, and I really enjoyed watching MItchel grind out his century yesterday - just need some grit and thought with this England team.

EDIT: Is everyone else as fed up as me with Michael Vaughan and his judgemental, holier than thou comments.

[Post edited 29 Jun 11:57]

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 12:05 - Jun 29 with 938 views

Steve_M

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:41 - Jun 29 by Samuelowen88

And the repeated failings of Root's captaincy were refreshed in the second Test, long spells of increasingly tired seam bowling without the inspiration to change it.

As mentioned elsewhere on this thread NZ are a good, coherent Test side and deserve the series victory. England just not good enough at maintaining the good parts for a whole Test.

Poll:	When are the squad numbers out?
Blog:	Cycle of Hurt

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 12:07 - Jun 29 with 926 views

Samuelowen88

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 12:05 - Jun 29 by Steve_M
And the repeated failings of Root's captaincy were refreshed in the second Test, long spells of increasingly tired seam bowling without the inspiration to change it. As mentioned elsewhere on this thread NZ are a good, coherent Test side and deserve the series victory. England just not good enough at maintaining the good parts for a whole Test.

I think it's probably also unfair to ask Root.
Of course he stood up when they were in a bind for a single game.

But to ask him to go back 'full time' just doesn't work. Let him just bat, like they have for the past few years.

Poll:

What's more entertaining tonight

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 12:10 - Jun 29 with 911 views

catch74

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 12:05 - Jun 29 by Steve_M
And the repeated failings of Root's captaincy were refreshed in the second Test, long spells of increasingly tired seam bowling without the inspiration to change it. As mentioned elsewhere on this thread NZ are a good, coherent Test side and deserve the series victory. England just not good enough at maintaining the good parts for a whole Test.

New Zealand can barely get 4 bowlers together and yet have completely out played us.
I love Stokes but the Key - McCullum - Stokes leadership, despite early promise, seems to have become more and more unprofessional and a bit poisonous.

Poll:

Who are the Numbskulls?

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 16:18 - Jun 29 with 716 views

benrhyddingblue

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:28 - Jun 29 by Steve_M
The opening was ok yesterday IMO but it needed a bit more circumspection once the first two wickets had gone down. Still a fitting result for the care and attention the ECB have given to red ball cricket in recent years.

Agreed on your last bit entirely. I’ve come to conclusion that we treat test cricket as a bit of fun. Sometimes it comes off sometimes it doesn’t. And of late it’s been more “doesn’t”. I mean what was that all about with Stokes opening? They can dress it up how they like but it was nonesense

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 16:22 - Jun 29 with 713 views

You_Bloo_Right

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:50 - Jun 29 by bsw72

[Post edited 29 Jun 11:57]

Michael Vaughan - another who perfectly fits the saying, "You can always tell a Yorkshireman .... but you can't tell him much."

Poll:

As we are indulging in pointless quesions. If my aunt had balls would she be ...

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 16:28 - Jun 29 with 700 views

soupytwist

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 16:18 - Jun 29 by benrhyddingblue
Agreed on your last bit entirely. I’ve come to conclusion that we treat test cricket as a bit of fun. Sometimes it comes off sometimes it doesn’t. And of late it’s been more “doesn’t”. I mean what was that all about with Stokes opening? They can dress it up how they like but it was nonesense

McCullum's comments in the post match interview with TMS were exactly what you'd expect -
"We'll continue to look to improve, we'll continue to look to evolve, we'll continue to look to whilst having our identity, keep progressing and improving and ultimately become a better cricket team. "

"I'm very confident in the direction we need to go and what changes are needed to be made and how we keep improving. With that, your enthusiasm for the job doesn't waver."

So, more of the same then? A complete unwillingness to acknowledge what it takes to win test series on a regular basis and no one at the ECB with the guts or motivation to tell him he's wrong.

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 17:03 - Jun 29 with 658 views

vapour_trail

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 12:07 - Jun 29 by Samuelowen88
I think it's probably also unfair to ask Root. Of course he stood up when they were in a bind for a single game. But to ask him to go back 'full time' just doesn't work. Let him just bat, like they have for the past few years.

100% this.

Let Root get on with chasing down Sachin. We need to look outside the current test team for a captain this group lacks leadership quality. We need a Brearley.

	Trailing vapour since 1999.
Poll:	Should Gav and Phil limiti the number of polls?

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 19:01 - Jun 29 with 574 views

You_Bloo_Right

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 17:03 - Jun 29 by vapour_trail
100% this. Let Root get on with chasing down Sachin. We need to look outside the current test team for a captain this group lacks leadership quality. We need a Brearley.

Bring back Jimmy.

Poll:

As we are indulging in pointless quesions. If my aunt had balls would she be ...

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 23:10 - Jun 29 with 463 views

stonojnr

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 16:28 - Jun 29 by soupytwist

I think youre being unfair on McCullum because well firstly he could have absolutely chucked the players under the bus there following that 2nd innings performance, and who would have really blamed him ? it was brainless cricket

and for all the media catchiness of Bazball, I dont believe rule #1 is play the game like brainless idiots, and yet there they were doing all the things McCullum had probably told them not to do, like none of them thought lets try win this one for Stokes eh ? but just like Baz told them nothing good ever happens after midnight, in a game they had every chance of winning they play like theyre just sticking two fingers up at the management instead.

if that game had been played in Sharjah the ICC corruption unit would be investigating it.

so pay attention to Baz said hes "very confident in the direction we need to go, and what changes are needed to be made."

thats not someone defending the status quo, or the direction the team have been going in since before the Ashes imo, or saying its more of the same thing to come.

thats someone who sounds like theyve been trying to change something for a while, but have been blocked in doing so, and now suddenly feel like theyre released to get the chance to do what they wanted, and actually has the enthusiasm, something the departing captain claims he no longer has, to do it

so I wonder what that block & the sudden change might have been...

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 11:38 - Jul 1 with 271 views

Sharkey

Cricket: England continue to shoot themselves in the foot on 17:03 - Jun 29 by vapour_trail
100% this. Let Root get on with chasing down Sachin. We need to look outside the current test team for a captain this group lacks leadership quality. We need a Brearley.

Looking round the counties, it’s really hard to see who that might be.

Forum index | Previous Thread | Next thread