I was disappointed to see Garvan on the list, but after watching him play at Histon, I have to agree it's probably time for both him and the club to move on.

I love how so many fans reckon that Norris and leadbitter cant play together yet Norris was out for half the season and our miraculous resurgance just happened to come when Norris came back into the side alongside Leadbitter.

I happened to see every single home game last season, 8 away games and even went to Shrewsbury-Leadbitter and Norris can play together end of! Garvan as much as I love his passing ability has little else to offer, slow not just running but making decisions and getting dispossed, I think if like Bruce we can get around the £200k-£250k mark then its another wage saved and will give another one of the youngesters a look in-young Billy Clark was getting a look in at the end of last season and could be the next youngster to make the step up. Or though I am still hoping for a return of young Mr Colback even if it is just on loan!

Come on you lot, when was the last time you could actually say that you have seen Garvan break into a sweat? Take the money and clear the way for someone who wont be homesick every five minutes. We need men not boys!!!

People who believe he's our most creative player are deluded. The reason we need a creative midfielder is that this guy is woeful. If he was any good we wouldn't need one. Get rid and put stead and priskin on same bus .

4 years ago - Garvan was a hot prospect, the new Steven Gerrard etc etc. But for whatever reason, he has never quite made the grade (the "homesickness" episode 3 years ago probably irreversibly affected the mental side of his game) , and to be honest he probably never will now (although he still looks a bit like Gerrard, lol). He is a reasonable player at this level, but no more than that.

Gotta love the logic of some of the anti-Keane lot on here - slating the manager for bringing IN Irish players (despite Jim not being averse to bringing in a few from the Emerald Isle himself), but also slating him for looking at moving one OUT!

*SHAKES HEAD AND LAUGHS*

I remember a similar uproar when we let Ian Westlake join Leeds for £450k.

...the rest as they say is history.

YEP - agree with comment about not developing our youngsters
From the Youth Cup winning team of just a fews back he is the last one left
As a club we have to take some responsibility in developing young players but sadly I think there is a basic coaching philosophy that is wrong in English Football
We used to have an Academy that was the envy of all clubs
We do have some promising youngsters -17-19 coming through but the article in the Independent this week spelt out the problems with losing promising kids from 19 upwards - they just do not push on
I am confident of our Midfield and Goalkeeper next season - just our defence and Forwards worry me !!

I think we shouldn't sell him. He does ok, never going to set the world alight, but that maybe the reason why he plays for us in the Championship.

If the players were perfect they wouldnt be playing for us... AC, Inter, Chelsea etc... you have to set your mind to the correct level and understand we get what we can... Due to the credit cruch I would expect that ME isn't getting the money in as he used to so in all areas he is cutting costs and reducing outgoings. It is common sense.

Seasonticketsteve... our only good spell of the season was from Cardiff end of Nov to the Coventry game mid Jan in which Garvan featured heavily and Norris played only twice .After that we only won 4 games for the rest of the season( with Garvan starting in three of those QPR,Cardiff and Reading )out of 22 games losing 7 so what miraculous resurgence are you talking about wth Norris and Leadbitter.
And i watched every game of the season apart from the Shrewsbury cup game and saw a team huff and puff and run around a lot and have a lot of long shots but not really dominate many teams and crumble to Peterboro,Plymouth,Forest,Sheff Utd in a horrible manner

given their respective histories in the game I'd take Burley's judgement over Keane's any day of the week. Undoubtedly it's time that Garv moved on, for him if no-one else, I reckon he'll be good for Palace.

Like I said when we were talking about these fellas being transfer listed - the worry is not really that we're losing personnel, it's that virtually nobody at the club has played their best football under this manager.

Let's hope Owen turns the move down. He is one of the few playmakers with a brain currently in our team. He has the vision to place the ball at the feet of players some distance away - no other team members seem to be able to do this. If he goes and we rely on the long kick physical game Keane seems to want to promote then we are surely doomed - OK so Owen is not the physical type of player Keane builds teams on but there is surely no hope if we build a team based on Sunderland reject players. Roy Keane needs to get real and smell the coffee!!!!!

serco72 - come on mate you cant compare garvan to alonso

Surco72 for manager to replace keane. You clearly have a good eye for what's actually going on and how TEAMS should blend. You've put into words my thoughts about Garvan (but I don't have the details to be able to back it up).

Dobbie73 I am sorry but I have to correct you. If Garvan and Bruce both leave town this week, that is 2 Irish players going, not one. If my memory serves me correctly Bruce played for Ireland B.

That will give the "oh no we keep adding more Irish players to the squad" brigade something to ponder.

Surco72-stats dont lie however you try and fit them to what you are trying to say.

Games before Norris came back-won 3, draws-13, lose 8

Games after Norris returned from injury-won 10, draw-8, lose-8. Two of the losses he didnt play in against Watford & Southampton.

Looking at those stats I would have Norris in my team a millions times again and again ahead of Garvan-he just is not up to scratch.

Sell, sell, sell Mr Keane!

Gotta admit, Surco has put this very well in his posts. Doesn't matter what you think of Norris and Leadbitter together (I'm not with Seasonticketsteve at all on this one. We were woeful last season with and without Norris), we need creativity and Garvan is all we have at the moment.

I doubt RK will replace Garvan with creativity should he sell him, as he just doesn't seem to think it's important for a central midfielder for some reason.

As for stats, we all use those to prove our point - even if the points are opposite. I think RK summed it up best when he said he'd noticed that with certain players in the team last year we tended to win, as those players were winners (he meant Norris, Walters and Leadbitter I think). I believe the stats showed that 2nd and 3rd on that list were David Wright and Garvan...

Keane is unpicking and destroying our squad, would Garvan interest Burley if he is as useless as some of you on here suggest? He 's selling players that should be the backbone of our team and replacing them with what, second rate Ex Sunderland ot Irish players. Unless we sign players to bring in soon I don't have much hope for the coming season.

Garvan really divides us lot doesn't he!

For me he can look a wonderful player, with a great eye for a pass and if he could do that every game, and work hard for the team i'd have him in my team everytime.

Trouble is he doesn't and it's for that reason that what a few years ago seemed like potential has never come to anything. That both Jim (a passer) and RK (a world class midfielder) didn't play him regularly must say something. But I guess we Sunday morning players or armchair supporters know more than them!!

if garvan is so great why is he still here and not been snapped up, if our midfield cannot create chances why was it that we had the most shots on goal last year?????
if we had a decent front line we would have finished in the top six and maybe promoted via playoffs.
all we need is a full back and a striker and a decent start to the season

bedsitfc on that theory why was Leadbitter allowed to leave a premiership side and nobody else want him and is still here ?
Garvan was good enough for Trappatoni to include in his full Republic side when playing regularly and is wanted by an ex pemeirship manager of the year but is not wanted by a manager who has so far produced some of the worst football i have seen at Portman Road since the Duncan Era

surco do you think their is a difference in standard between prem and championship? i do
how do you know he wasn't interesting other prem sides. as far as i can remember nobody knew he was coming untill he signed, so maybe a lot of sides didnt realise sunderland would sell him.
to include someone in a full eire side for a frendly is a way managers can look at them, why was he not in the side against france in the play off????
He is wanted by an ex premier manager but remember the ex part no premier club would be interested in him.

@marcusevans - I bow to your superior knowledge and graciously accept the correction *WINK*

If George Burley wants him then he really must be useless now.
SELL SELL SELL

I'd rather keep Owen, for £200k who can you get as a replacement? If Sunderland decide that lil Jack isn't ready yet and we get another season loan then I'd release Owen then, can't see him staying beyond 2011 at end of contract anyway.

Trouble is Prem Preseason is just kicking off and Bruce is in no hurry to decide?

I think he needs to go, an undoubtedly talented but frustrating player, neither Jim or Roy have found the way to make him a consistent performer, maybe someone else can or maybe in a few years we will think £100K+ was a good bit of business.