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Until the hard left drops this pathetic talk then they are not going to win over the floating voters.
All it does is further put up the shields for those who have or do vote Tory. The Tories want the best for the country but just have a different way of going about achieving that.
I don't think they're evil but I think their ideology is definitely flawed. That free-market, trickle-down ideology is coming from a selfish, limited viewpoint rather than wanting a selfish, limited outcome.
Basically, they think a country can be run like a business and that everyone can benefit from that.
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Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 13:43 - May 18 with 4436 views
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 13:40 - May 18 by Darth_Koont
I don't think they're evil but I think their ideology is definitely flawed. That free-market, trickle-down ideology is coming from a selfish, limited viewpoint rather than wanting a selfish, limited outcome.
Basically, they think a country can be run like a business and that everyone can benefit from that.
I think that works both ways though personally, and why I prefer to stick to the centre ground.
Labour think the country can be run like a communist would, Tory as capitalist when, like everything, the answer somewhere in the middle and parts from both sides need to be in place.
The worst thing is that they won't even believe in that but have to pander to the right of the party. Immigration is exactly what is needed for capitalism to flourish as it brings in skill and keeps wages down
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 13:43 - May 18 by itfcjoe
I think that works both ways though personally, and why I prefer to stick to the centre ground.
Labour think the country can be run like a communist would, Tory as capitalist when, like everything, the answer somewhere in the middle and parts from both sides need to be in place.
Why having such a weak opposition is so damaging,
Of course. I'm in favour of a genuine balance fully recognizing the energy and value of capitalism but tempered by the need to ensure that wealth is distributed and converted into social projects to ensure long-term and sustainable growth.
The problem has been that the supposed centre has paid lip service to the other side of that balance as it looks to appeal to an electorate that wants to hear what's in it for them and their wallet rather than society. That's where proper principled policy and long-term vision are needed, but they've been absent from the debate for far too long. In fact, talking about society's needs and our responsibilities has become almost toxic in the climate set up by the parties and the media.
We've become almost American in our rejection of social equality in favour of personal liberty, rather than recognizing the need for a balance between the two - despite the fact that social equality policies are what transformed British society in the 50s and 60s and gave us musch of what is great about our country today. But we become less great bit by bit when we take that for granted.
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Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:04 - May 18 with 4331 views
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 13:43 - May 18 by itfcjoe
I think that works both ways though personally, and why I prefer to stick to the centre ground.
Labour think the country can be run like a communist would, Tory as capitalist when, like everything, the answer somewhere in the middle and parts from both sides need to be in place.
Why having such a weak opposition is so damaging,
Labour are a million miles from being a communist party. It's people saying stuff like that which demonstrates just how skewed to the right UK politics is. Even Corbyn's Labour would be left of centre in most countries, not the raging socialists they're painted as being.
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:05 - May 18 by Herbivore
Labour are a million miles from being a communist party. It's people saying stuff like that which demonstrates just how skewed to the right UK politics is. Even Corbyn's Labour would be left of centre in most countries, not the raging socialists they're painted as being.
But McDonnell and Corbyn do lean Marxist, by their own admission. The rest of the party just hasn't caught up yet.
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:05 - May 18 by Herbivore
Labour are a million miles from being a communist party. It's people saying stuff like that which demonstrates just how skewed to the right UK politics is. Even Corbyn's Labour would be left of centre in most countries, not the raging socialists they're painted as being.
Agreed. The media need to take a huge amount of responsibility for this through being ridiculously partisan and/or politically illiterate.
They're still stuck somewhere in the latter half of the 20th Century with all this Red Ed, Corbyn the Trotskyite stuff. But of course these labels work.
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Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:09 - May 18 with 4294 views
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:05 - May 18 by Herbivore
Labour are a million miles from being a communist party. It's people saying stuff like that which demonstrates just how skewed to the right UK politics is. Even Corbyn's Labour would be left of centre in most countries, not the raging socialists they're painted as being.
The Labour Party may be a million miles away from it. But with Corbyn, McDonnell, Milne and now Andrew Murray, who only left the Communist party in December, in control of the party they are headed that way.
The fact that the British Communist Party has decided not to field any candidates at a General Election for the first time since 1920 and have endorsed Corbyn says all you need to know.
That strand a thought is shared by few outside the left of the labour party and therefore trying to shape the policy debate or a GE around it is pointless.
My personal opinion is they have little to no intention of winning this GE and are only concerned with making sure they stave off another leadership challenge until they can change the legislation. This ultra left wing manifesto should ensure that's achieved.
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Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:20 - May 18 with 4231 views
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:05 - May 18 by Herbivore
Labour are a million miles from being a communist party. It's people saying stuff like that which demonstrates just how skewed to the right UK politics is. Even Corbyn's Labour would be left of centre in most countries, not the raging socialists they're painted as being.
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:05 - May 18 by Herbivore
Labour are a million miles from being a communist party. It's people saying stuff like that which demonstrates just how skewed to the right UK politics is. Even Corbyn's Labour would be left of centre in most countries, not the raging socialists they're painted as being.
Was not aware of the first of those but another one which the SNP have been making a lot of noise about up here is the 'Tory rape clause' - tax credits can only been given for a third child if it can be proven that the child was conceived as a result of rape. Not sure if the Labour Party (or anyone else) has been highlighting this.
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:15 - May 18 by nrb1985
this.
That strand a thought is shared by few outside the left of the labour party and therefore trying to shape the policy debate or a GE around it is pointless.
My personal opinion is they have little to no intention of winning this GE and are only concerned with making sure they stave off another leadership challenge until they can change the legislation. This ultra left wing manifesto should ensure that's achieved.
"Ultra-left wing manifesto" Here's a case in point.
It really isn't ultra-left wing in any objective sense just what you're used to. Some of you lot are starting to sound like MidWest Republicans.
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Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:31 - May 18 with 4170 views
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:09 - May 18 by GlasgowBlue
The Labour Party may be a million miles away from it. But with Corbyn, McDonnell, Milne and now Andrew Murray, who only left the Communist party in December, in control of the party they are headed that way.
The fact that the British Communist Party has decided not to field any candidates at a General Election for the first time since 1920 and have endorsed Corbyn says all you need to know.
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In the interest of balance, the British Communist Party has lent critical support to the Labour Party for the majority of it's existence. It has been part of their political programme "Britain's Road to Socialism" since the early 1950's. Far too much has been made of this endorsement.
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:31 - May 18 by Footballpete
In the interest of balance, the British Communist Party has lent critical support to the Labour Party for the majority of it's existence. It has been part of their political programme "Britain's Road to Socialism" since the early 1950's. Far too much has been made of this endorsement.
Your'e a Marxist aren't you Pete. Do you recognise kinship with people like McDonnell
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:38 - May 18 by GlasgowBlue
Your'e a Marxist aren't you Pete. Do you recognise kinship with people like McDonnell
I don't have speakers at my desk so I have no idea what he's saying. I share similar views with John Mcdonnell on several issues, not on everything, and I don't always agree with the company he keeps.
Whilst I disagree with the namecalling and find most of Archer's posts very tiresome, some of their policies really do make me struggle with the idea that they want the best for the country.
Social housing is one example - we have a desperate shortage of it, which as well as causing problems for people, it also costs the government more to house people in the private rented sector. Yet the policy is to accelerate the loss of social housing by extending right-to-buy to non-council social landlords, potentially with the £78-105k discount paid for by local authorities who will be forced to sell their own housing stock.
And benefit/tax policies that cut 15% of the income of the poorest 10% of people with families whilst leaving the top 10% untouched?
I don't understand how these policies could possibly be deemed to be in the best interests of the country as a whole.
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Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:57 - May 18 with 4033 views
Nasty Party, Evil, taking pride in f*cking over the poor and needy.... on 14:57 - May 18 by Gromheort
Nationalising key public services/utilities isn't radical. Its a mere correction for past stupidity
whether nationalisation is radical or not depends on the price the govt pays doesn't it? If its market values, fine - if it's arbitrary govt valuation, then that's well to towards far left territory I'd have thought.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
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