| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 11:55 - Jun 22 with 9366 views | textbackup |
was carrow road clad in the same stuff? |  |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 11:57 - Jun 22 with 9359 views | giant_stow |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 11:55 - Jun 22 by textbackup |
was carrow road clad in the same stuff? |
no idea boss. |  |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 11:59 - Jun 22 with 9369 views | CaptainObvious |
We are absolutely strangled by petty health and safety regulations in the uk and at the same time we've got 600, 600!, tower blocks with flammable cladding presumably with health and safety notices telling residents to stay in their flat in the event of a fire. What a shambles we've become. |  |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 12:00 - Jun 22 with 9350 views | giant_stow |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 11:59 - Jun 22 by CaptainObvious |
We are absolutely strangled by petty health and safety regulations in the uk and at the same time we've got 600, 600!, tower blocks with flammable cladding presumably with health and safety notices telling residents to stay in their flat in the event of a fire. What a shambles we've become. |
Its truely bizarre. | |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 12:05 - Jun 22 with 9335 views | Deano69 |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 11:59 - Jun 22 by CaptainObvious |
We are absolutely strangled by petty health and safety regulations in the uk and at the same time we've got 600, 600!, tower blocks with flammable cladding presumably with health and safety notices telling residents to stay in their flat in the event of a fire. What a shambles we've become. |
Crazy isnt it.
Had a load of house renovation work done a couple of years ago, the nonsensical bollox we had to go through for petty items such as having to have an extractor fan in the utility room as we have a washing machine in there, and the shower hose from the bath taps having to be a particular height on its holder, for example. Yet we can clad a building in flammable material that lets of cyanide gases.
We need this planning stuff to take a long hard look at itself.. |  |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 12:06 - Jun 22 with 9333 views | GavTWTD |
From tha article:
"It has also emerged that cyanide gas released by burning insulation on Grenfell Tower could have contributed to some of the deaths.
Boards fitted during a refurbishment of the 24-storey block might have filled homes with the highly toxic substance when they caught fire, an expert has disclosed.
They could have produced enough deadly hydrogen cyanide to fill every flat at the west London high-rise, it has been reported." |  |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 12:20 - Jun 22 with 9280 views | Archer4721 |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 11:59 - Jun 22 by CaptainObvious |
We are absolutely strangled by petty health and safety regulations in the uk and at the same time we've got 600, 600!, tower blocks with flammable cladding presumably with health and safety notices telling residents to stay in their flat in the event of a fire. What a shambles we've become. |
Just imagine in ten years from now when G4S run the fire service with 4ft ladders and price lists to boot. |  | | |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 12:31 - Jun 22 with 9243 views | Swansea_Blue |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 12:20 - Jun 22 by Archer4721 |
Just imagine in ten years from now when G4S run the fire service with 4ft ladders and price lists to boot. |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:14 - Jun 22 with 9157 views | No9 |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 11:59 - Jun 22 by CaptainObvious |
We are absolutely strangled by petty health and safety regulations in the uk and at the same time we've got 600, 600!, tower blocks with flammable cladding presumably with health and safety notices telling residents to stay in their flat in the event of a fire. What a shambles we've become. |
"We are absolutely strangled by petty health and safety regulations in the uk "
I don't beleive it but I am willing to read your list and explanation as to how to reduce it without compromising life.
Otherwose itis a totally stupid statement |  | | |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:17 - Jun 22 with 9137 views | No9 |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 12:05 - Jun 22 by Deano69 |
Crazy isnt it.
Had a load of house renovation work done a couple of years ago, the nonsensical bollox we had to go through for petty items such as having to have an extractor fan in the utility room as we have a washing machine in there, and the shower hose from the bath taps having to be a particular height on its holder, for example. Yet we can clad a building in flammable material that lets of cyanide gases.
We need this planning stuff to take a long hard look at itself.. |
Helsetine laws on planning changed in the 80's to reduce regulation on buildings
Privatisation of Building Control came soon after
It is simple have proper regulation instead of 'self regulation' | | | |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:17 - Jun 22 with 9140 views | CaptainObvious |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:14 - Jun 22 by No9 |
"We are absolutely strangled by petty health and safety regulations in the uk "
I don't beleive it but I am willing to read your list and explanation as to how to reduce it without compromising life.
Otherwose itis a totally stupid statement |
chap below has already given a good example. another is reduced speed limits on roads to protect the workforce when the workforce have already packed up and gone home. [Post edited 22 Jun 2017 13:17]
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:19 - Jun 22 with 9132 views | itfcjoe |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 11:59 - Jun 22 by CaptainObvious |
We are absolutely strangled by petty health and safety regulations in the uk and at the same time we've got 600, 600!, tower blocks with flammable cladding presumably with health and safety notices telling residents to stay in their flat in the event of a fire. What a shambles we've become. |
For a contractor:
Put up flammable cladding - don't worry about it....
Forget to note down who is Principal Designer in your pointless CDM file and don't have it on site - big trouble |  |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:20 - Jun 22 with 9117 views | itfcjoe |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 12:05 - Jun 22 by Deano69 |
Crazy isnt it.
Had a load of house renovation work done a couple of years ago, the nonsensical bollox we had to go through for petty items such as having to have an extractor fan in the utility room as we have a washing machine in there, and the shower hose from the bath taps having to be a particular height on its holder, for example. Yet we can clad a building in flammable material that lets of cyanide gases.
We need this planning stuff to take a long hard look at itself.. |
But that stuff is also important, I don't agree with less health and safety in general.
The paperwork that goes with it is far more of a nuisance than anything else | |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:21 - Jun 22 with 9118 views | No9 |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:17 - Jun 22 by CaptainObvious |
chap below has already given a good example. another is reduced speed limits on roads to protect the workforce when the workforce have already packed up and gone home. [Post edited 22 Jun 2017 13:17]
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I don't know what industry you work in but HSE is very important for the protection of workers and public
The instances you quote are nothing to do with HSE more to do with incorrect application by those who have been contracted to do works
Regulation is only effective if it is implemented properly | | | |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:45 - Jun 22 with 9036 views | BlueBadger |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:48 - Jun 22 with 9031 views | No9 |
Should we be surprised?
It would take a fair while to look at each site and compare the Contractors specified materials against the criteria set out in the regulations.
There are numerous questions about this terrible tragedy, so far I don't see anything being done properly | | | |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:51 - Jun 22 with 9022 views | hampstead_blue |
By naming the blocks it puts the authorities under pressure to sort it out quickly.
the cost in £'s is pretty nominal in the grand scheme of things.
Nobody loses. The price of the flats will drop in the short term, but landlords and tenants will both benefit in the medium term having flats which meet the highest of safety standards. |  |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:53 - Jun 22 with 9011 views | Deano69 |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:20 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
But that stuff is also important, I don't agree with less health and safety in general.
The paperwork that goes with it is far more of a nuisance than anything else |
I don't disagree with Heath and Safety either, but within the confines of common sense. My point was that the plumbing in our house wouldn't pass regulations if a shower head holder was 3 inches too low, yet we can polish a turd of a building with dangerous cladding, just so that it looks nice. | |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:54 - Jun 22 with 9010 views | CaptainObvious |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:21 - Jun 22 by No9 |
I don't know what industry you work in but HSE is very important for the protection of workers and public
The instances you quote are nothing to do with HSE more to do with incorrect application by those who have been contracted to do works
Regulation is only effective if it is implemented properly |
I agree it is very important. i don't think the examples given are incorrect application, i think it is unnecessarily excessive which is ironic given that when they have been crucially important, they have found to be lacking. | |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:56 - Jun 22 with 8993 views | GeoffSentence |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 12:06 - Jun 22 by GavTWTD |
From tha article:
"It has also emerged that cyanide gas released by burning insulation on Grenfell Tower could have contributed to some of the deaths.
Boards fitted during a refurbishment of the 24-storey block might have filled homes with the highly toxic substance when they caught fire, an expert has disclosed.
They could have produced enough deadly hydrogen cyanide to fill every flat at the west London high-rise, it has been reported." |
I think the insulation was provided by Hadleigh firm Celotex. There's probably some seriously concerned people over in Lady Lane at the moment. |  |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:59 - Jun 22 with 8980 views | Swansea_Blue |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:48 - Jun 22 by No9 |
Should we be surprised?
It would take a fair while to look at each site and compare the Contractors specified materials against the criteria set out in the regulations.
There are numerous questions about this terrible tragedy, so far I don't see anything being done properly |
Yeah, agreed it will take a while. Naming the blocks to put local authorities under pressure is all well and good, but they have to get it right. Otherwise you've needlessly scared god knows how many residents unnecessarily. | |
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| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 14:01 - Jun 22 with 8971 views | No9 |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:54 - Jun 22 by CaptainObvious |
I agree it is very important. i don't think the examples given are incorrect application, i think it is unnecessarily excessive which is ironic given that when they have been crucially important, they have found to be lacking. |
What is uneccessarily excessive? I am not sure I get what you mean.
There are regulations and the correct application of the regulations or ignoring the regluations altogether. | | | |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 14:03 - Jun 22 with 8956 views | No9 |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:59 - Jun 22 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, agreed it will take a while. Naming the blocks to put local authorities under pressure is all well and good, but they have to get it right. Otherwise you've needlessly scared god knows how many residents unnecessarily. |
Agreed, that is why it was probably too soon for the Gov to make that announcement.
It would have been sufficient to say that each building and each site was being insoected and independently the regulatoins were being interrogated | | | |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 14:03 - Jun 22 with 8961 views | CaptainObvious |
| These tower blocks that have the same cladding on 13:51 - Jun 22 by hampstead_blue |
By naming the blocks it puts the authorities under pressure to sort it out quickly.
the cost in £'s is pretty nominal in the grand scheme of things.
Nobody loses. The price of the flats will drop in the short term, but landlords and tenants will both benefit in the medium term having flats which meet the highest of safety standards. |
also it's good manners to let people know they're living in a potential deathtrap | |
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