| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago 11:23 - Jun 26 with 21243 views | Steve_M |
Is now complete it seems.
How much extra are the Tories bunging Northern Ireland as a result? I guess they must have found a magic money tree after all. |  |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 22:12 - Jun 26 with 7645 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 12:37 - Jun 26 by StokieBlue |
1.5bn is a long way from the 100bn+ which JC wanted and where the magic money tree comes from.
However, it's a rubbish deal and the rest of the UK would be well within their rights to ask where their extra money is.
More uselessness from May.
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A magic money bush maybe.....we all know that the tree is in the Virgin Islands! |  |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 22:16 - Jun 26 with 7640 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 13:27 - Jun 26 by Swansea_Blue |
ok, ta. So will Scotland be getting more cash towards this to mirror the extra being given to N Ireland, or will their payments stay the same based on Barnet formula? |
Doh ! Everybody knows Barnet isn't in Scotland! | |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 22:18 - Jun 26 with 7637 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 13:31 - Jun 26 by lowhouseblue |
the underlying story here is that the tories are in retreat from austerity. this may well be an opportunity to start relaxing spending constraints elsewhere. |
"Oh Jeremy Corbyn"......repeat........! | |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 22:20 - Jun 26 with 7631 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 13:49 - Jun 26 by lowhouseblue |
yes, labour have abandoned the middle ground so the tories will happily take it. relaxing austerity between now and the next election is key to that. |
The middle is disappearing by the day ! | |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 22:22 - Jun 26 with 7623 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 14:10 - Jun 26 by WD19 |
The sensible middle ground is still there, you just can't see it from where you are. [Post edited 26 Jun 2017 14:10]
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Just because you think you are there doesn't mean you won't become increasingly lonely!
Edit....what do you find "sensible " about it other than the fact it is where you are ? [Post edited 26 Jun 2017 22:24]
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 22:27 - Jun 26 with 7616 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 16:48 - Jun 26 by Archer4721 |
Well this graph would suggest otherwise.
It's interesting other countries in the EU have freedom of movement bumper immigration from Eastern Europe but haven't seen wages fall like we have
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That Polish wage growth is probably largely in sterling and helped out in the -10.4 for us......Globalisation innit ! | |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 22:34 - Jun 26 with 7612 views | WD19 |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 22:22 - Jun 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Just because you think you are there doesn't mean you won't become increasingly lonely!
Edit....what do you find "sensible " about it other than the fact it is where you are ? [Post edited 26 Jun 2017 22:24]
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I have never claimed to be sensible.
Was just pointing out that there is clearly some middle ground somewhere between swivel eyed brexiteers and John McDonnell. The current polarisation makes for lively arguments but doesn't help in bringing the country together to tackle long term shared challenges. |  | | |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 22:44 - Jun 26 with 7591 views | feelingblue |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 13:45 - Jun 26 by GlasgowBlue |
The hard border is a non story. We haven't had a hard border with the Republic since 1923 when the Common Travel Area was first established. It existed for 50 years before we joined the EU in 1973 and will continue to exist after we’ve left. |
Sorry, that is rubbish.
Yes, the CTA existed for 50 years, but Farage's 29 million Romanians and all those Turks who will be allowed in the EU soon, didn't have the automatic right of entry into the Free State or Eire before we both became part of the EU. |  | | |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 07:43 - Jun 27 with 7543 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 22:12 - Jun 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A magic money bush maybe.....we all know that the tree is in the Virgin Islands! |
To put it into context, the government spent £770 billion last year. What NI is getting is little more than a rounding error. And it's not much more than the amount Gordon Brown gave them in exchange for a single vote in 2008. [Post edited 27 Jun 2017 7:44]
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:21 - Jun 27 with 7530 views | StokieBlue |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 07:43 - Jun 27 by GlasgowBlue |
To put it into context, the government spent £770 billion last year. What NI is getting is little more than a rounding error. And it's not much more than the amount Gordon Brown gave them in exchange for a single vote in 2008. [Post edited 27 Jun 2017 7:44]
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It's tiny in amount, massive in perception.
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:38 - Jun 27 with 7511 views | bluelagos |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:21 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
It's tiny in amount, massive in perception.
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The news reported it as a 10% increase in the NI budget. Listening to Tory MPs claiming it was nothing unusual was as laughable as May claiming she hadn't u-turned on their dementia tax during the election. |  |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:43 - Jun 27 with 7499 views | blue_oyster |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 13:45 - Jun 26 by GlasgowBlue |
The hard border is a non story. We haven't had a hard border with the Republic since 1923 when the Common Travel Area was first established. It existed for 50 years before we joined the EU in 1973 and will continue to exist after we’ve left. |
How will we be able to control the border, when we have a soft border there with the EU? |  |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:44 - Jun 27 with 7496 views | noggin |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:43 - Jun 27 by blue_oyster |
How will we be able to control the border, when we have a soft border there with the EU? |
Build a wall and make the Irish pay for it. |  |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:45 - Jun 27 with 7493 views | DanTheMan |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:44 - Jun 27 by noggin |
Build a wall and make the Irish pay for it. |
Perhaps we could make it solar? |  |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:49 - Jun 27 with 7475 views | Archer4721 |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:21 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
It's tiny in amount, massive in perception.
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£15 per person in the UK actually.
What'sgreat is the irony of this looking like a gay wedding ceremony that neither set of parents entirely approve of.
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:58 - Jun 27 with 7468 views | StokieBlue |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:49 - Jun 27 by Archer4721 |
£15 per person in the UK actually.
What'sgreat is the irony of this looking like a gay wedding ceremony that neither set of parents entirely approve of.
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Yes a tiny amount.
As I said, it's more the perception it sends to the rest of the UK which is really awful.
I'm agreeing with you for a change.
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:02 - Jun 27 with 7459 views | Swansea_Blue |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 07:43 - Jun 27 by GlasgowBlue |
To put it into context, the government spent £770 billion last year. What NI is getting is little more than a rounding error. And it's not much more than the amount Gordon Brown gave them in exchange for a single vote in 2008. [Post edited 27 Jun 2017 7:44]
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Excellent. So there's no reason not to give the NHS a 2% pay rise then, which would cost the same amount and, critically for the Tories, buy them some good will. Similarly, the net cost of EU membership should be seen as excellent value in the grand scheme of government spending. |  |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:04 - Jun 27 with 7446 views | Archer4721 |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 08:58 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
Yes a tiny amount.
As I said, it's more the perception it sends to the rest of the UK which is really awful.
I'm agreeing with you for a change.
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Indeed, it's hard not to see this as a political party using taxpayer's money as a bribe to stay in power. | | | |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:13 - Jun 27 with 7440 views | noggin |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:02 - Jun 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Excellent. So there's no reason not to give the NHS a 2% pay rise then, which would cost the same amount and, critically for the Tories, buy them some good will. Similarly, the net cost of EU membership should be seen as excellent value in the grand scheme of government spending. |
Nurses protesting today. Surely the money tree will have to be shaken one more time. | |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:25 - Jun 27 with 7429 views | StokieBlue |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:04 - Jun 27 by Archer4721 |
Indeed, it's hard not to see this as a political party using taxpayer's money as a bribe to stay in power. |
Well that's exactly what it is.
Shameful from the Tories but unfortunately no different to what the other parties would have done.
The other regions of the UK have every right to complain.
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:32 - Jun 27 with 7415 views | Swansea_Blue |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:25 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
Well that's exactly what it is.
Shameful from the Tories but unfortunately no different to what the other parties would have done.
The other regions of the UK have every right to complain.
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It's not what they've done that bugs me especially (buying votes is nothing new), but the fact they can brazenly deny that's the case and try to justify it as some sort of planned investment in the region.
A bit like May saying nothing had changed on the manifesto U turn on the 'dementia tax'.
Or like the blatant denial they'd broken a manifesto promise on the NI contributions for self-employed.
And all the other examples of barefaced, shameless lying. | |
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:33 - Jun 27 with 7404 views | Archer4721 |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:25 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
Well that's exactly what it is.
Shameful from the Tories but unfortunately no different to what the other parties would have done.
The other regions of the UK have every right to complain.
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These were some of the torie's biggest donors during the election so maybe they should club together now to keep them in.
Sir Henry Keswick, former owner of the Spectator, and his wife Lady Keswick, have both donated £25,000 each
David Mayhew, former chairman of JP Morgan Cazenove, has given £25,000
John Griffin, founder of Addison Lee, has shelled out £900,000
David Rowland, property tycoon, has given £200,000
Chief executive of Petrofac, Ayman Asfari, has donated £50,000
John Armitage, Britain's ninth-richest hedge fund manager, has given £500,000 to the campaign
Boss of Caxton Associates, Andrew Law, has backed May with £250,000
Co-founder of CVC Capital Partners, Bruce Hardy McLain, has given £100,000
Iceland boss Malcolm Walker has donated £50,000
Sir John Hall, the former Newcastle United chairman who sold his shares to Sports Direct's Mike Ashley, has given £25,000 to the Tories
Selfridges has set aside £40,000 for the Conservatives. | | | |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:37 - Jun 27 with 7408 views | StokieBlue |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:33 - Jun 27 by Archer4721 |
These were some of the torie's biggest donors during the election so maybe they should club together now to keep them in.
Sir Henry Keswick, former owner of the Spectator, and his wife Lady Keswick, have both donated £25,000 each
David Mayhew, former chairman of JP Morgan Cazenove, has given £25,000
John Griffin, founder of Addison Lee, has shelled out £900,000
David Rowland, property tycoon, has given £200,000
Chief executive of Petrofac, Ayman Asfari, has donated £50,000
John Armitage, Britain's ninth-richest hedge fund manager, has given £500,000 to the campaign
Boss of Caxton Associates, Andrew Law, has backed May with £250,000
Co-founder of CVC Capital Partners, Bruce Hardy McLain, has given £100,000
Iceland boss Malcolm Walker has donated £50,000
Sir John Hall, the former Newcastle United chairman who sold his shares to Sports Direct's Mike Ashley, has given £25,000 to the Tories
Selfridges has set aside £40,000 for the Conservatives. |
I'm not sure what your point is?
What does a list of donors have to do with a very poor decision from the Tories with regards to the DUP.
Unite alone gave Labour 2.4m.
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 10:12 - Jun 27 with 7383 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:02 - Jun 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Excellent. So there's no reason not to give the NHS a 2% pay rise then, which would cost the same amount and, critically for the Tories, buy them some good will. Similarly, the net cost of EU membership should be seen as excellent value in the grand scheme of government spending. |
You seem to be under the impression that I in any way support the deal or am trying to justify it.
I'm not. I'm putting into context what £1.5billion is in the context of our annual spending.
Saying that money could have been used to give the NHS a pay rise is akin to the Brexit Bus.
And why stop at NHS workers. What about the police? Fire fighters? Teachers? Could you fund a public sector pay increase if 2% across the board every year forever with a lump sum of £1.5 billion.
Your bus is looking even more dishonest than the Brexit bus. [Post edited 27 Jun 2017 10:15]
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| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 10:13 - Jun 27 with 7381 views | Radlett_blue |
| That deal with the DUP that was nearly done two weeks ago on 09:37 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
I'm not sure what your point is?
What does a list of donors have to do with a very poor decision from the Tories with regards to the DUP.
Unite alone gave Labour 2.4m.
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I agree that the deal with the DUP is unattractive & could prove a stumbling block over the Stormont assembly, but what is the alternative in terms of forming a UK government? |  |
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