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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:21 - Sep 3 by StokieBlue
Second paragraph is far too simplistic and standard US, bashing. They are far from perfect but each of those interventions need to be assessed on their own merits. They were also far from alone with other major powers doing the same in proxy wars for the cold war. Better than the US and Russia going at each other directly unfortunately for those other countries.
I would argue is not NK actions, it's those of a despotic regime and a few at the top trying to cling onto power rather than the nation as a whole. The general public may well be all for an intervention.
SB
Is your second paragraph describing the Trump administration?
It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:15 - Sep 3 by Harry_Palmer
Yes God Bless America indeed, that peace loving nation that spreads joy around the globe.
When you get a sec, maybe do a little research on how many countries the USA has invaded / interfered with in the last 50 years and compare that against how many North Korea has.
I don't condone North Korea's actions in any way but has it never occurred to you that part of their motivation might just be to ensure they cannot be bullied or invaded by the USA like other nations have been?
Wll if that lovely cuddly Obama had got his finger out IS wouldnt be so much the power it is today.
No he prefered to be seen in selfies and at pop concerts i know !
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:01 - Sep 3 by StokieBlue
So they are saying it's a hydrogen bomb but from the initial yield is more likely boosted fission. If the miniturisation is true that's the main news and very worrying.
SB
Spot on, altho we don't know how small the device actually tested was (as opposed to the thing shown on TV).
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:27 - Sep 3 by Plums
Is your second paragraph describing the Trump administration?
As loathsome as Trump is, I'm not aware his administration forces women to drown their own babies, executes whole families caught watching foreign soap operas, uses mass starvation on its own people as a political tool or tortures and executes political opponents.
I'm unaware of a UN report that describes Trump's crimes 'as the worst since the Nazis'
So no, I don't think his last paragraph was describing Trump's administration.
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:27 - Sep 3 by Plums
Is your second paragraph describing the Trump administration?
Very clever.
It's becoming increasingly tiresome that many on this forum have to work Trump into every post, I know it's fashionable but why not actually address what people write?
It's detracting from the forum. Trump certainly needs to be discussed but not every subject or post requires an anti-Trump tangent.
SB
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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:38 - Sep 3 with 7792 views
And with only a few of its worst weapons, North Korea could, probably within hours, kill millions. This means an American first strike would likely trigger one of the worst mass killings in human history. In 2005, Sam Gardiner, a retired U.S. Air Force colonel who specialized in conducting war games at the National War College, estimated that the use of sarin gas alone would produce 1 million casualties. Gardiner now says, in light of what we have learned from gas attacks on civilians in Syria, that the number would likely be three to five times greater. And today North Korea has an even wider array of chemical and biological weapons than it did 12 years ago
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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:39 - Sep 3 with 7789 views
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:21 - Sep 3 by StokieBlue
Second paragraph is far too simplistic and standard US, bashing. They are far from perfect but each of those interventions need to be assessed on their own merits. They were also far from alone with other major powers doing the same in proxy wars for the cold war. Better than the US and Russia going at each other directly unfortunately for those other countries.
I would argue is not NK actions, it's those of a despotic regime and a few at the top trying to cling onto power rather than the nation as a whole. The general public may well be all for an intervention.
SB
I fact checked this a few months ago off the back of a meme that claimed the USA had invaded around 25 countries since the end of WW2.
I found that when you looked at interventions that actually violated the UN charter it was only around 10. This is still 10 times too many for me and about 9 more than North Korea who unless I'm mistaken have only over invaded South Korea in recent history.
Ps. I was trying to keep it simple for Benters.
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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:51 - Sep 3 with 7766 views
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:30 - Sep 3 by Benters
Wll if that lovely cuddly Obama had got his finger out IS wouldnt be so much the power it is today.
No he prefered to be seen in selfies and at pop concerts i know !
Obama did, in August 2014. His commitment of US airpower and extensive material support helped the Iraqis stop Islamic State's expansion and began the roll-back which has seen them nearly driven from that country's soil. In addition, supplies sent to the Kurds allowed them to defeat IS in northern Syria.
You don't think any of this has suddenly started happening in the mere seven months since Trump took over?
Quite apart from the fact that the IS situation is actually Round 3 of George W Bush's 2003 conflict.
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:37 - Sep 3 by StokieBlue
Very clever.
It's becoming increasingly tiresome that many on this forum have to work Trump into every post, I know it's fashionable but why not actually address what people write?
It's detracting from the forum. Trump certainly needs to be discussed but not every subject or post requires an anti-Trump tangent.
SB
I see the board police are out again. I didn't bring Trump into this thread, he was included in the fifth post by someone claiming he would 'sort the arseholes out'.
It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:01 - Sep 3 by Plums
I see the board police are out again. I didn't bring Trump into this thread, he was included in the fifth post by someone claiming he would 'sort the arseholes out'.
Indeed. My response was to Benters showing Trump appears more interested in vanity than sanity
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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:17 - Sep 3 with 7721 views
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:39 - Sep 3 by Harry_Palmer
I fact checked this a few months ago off the back of a meme that claimed the USA had invaded around 25 countries since the end of WW2.
I found that when you looked at interventions that actually violated the UN charter it was only around 10. This is still 10 times too many for me and about 9 more than North Korea who unless I'm mistaken have only over invaded South Korea in recent history.
Ps. I was trying to keep it simple for Benters.
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They only invaded SK, but have not ceased aggressive actions in the period since 1953. That includes sabotage, attempted assassinations and occasional overt military action (e.g. the bombardment of Yeonpyeong, which caused a number of fatalities).
There is also the kidnapping of Japanese citizens. Plus the supply of material (up to the shipment of entire missiles) to regimes and insurgent groups in other parts of the world, in defiance of UN proscriptions.
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:01 - Sep 3 by Plums
I see the board police are out again. I didn't bring Trump into this thread, he was included in the fifth post by someone claiming he would 'sort the arseholes out'.
You decided to equate him to the North Korean regime though, something that is patently absurd.
It's not the board police, say what you like but people are free to call you out on it. It's becoming increasingly tiresome and detracts from debate. You also weren't responding to the initial Trump usage (which was silly), you were off on another tangent.
SB
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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:22 - Sep 3 with 7712 views
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 08:30 - Sep 3 by Benters
Wll if that lovely cuddly Obama had got his finger out IS wouldnt be so much the power it is today.
No he prefered to be seen in selfies and at pop concerts i know !
Well under Obama I didn't see us reach this crisis level with NK, Trump has stirred up a hornets nest just for his own ego trip, and now has a pretty much unsolvable problem.
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:17 - Sep 3 by Guthrum
They only invaded SK, but have not ceased aggressive actions in the period since 1953. That includes sabotage, attempted assassinations and occasional overt military action (e.g. the bombardment of Yeonpyeong, which caused a number of fatalities).
There is also the kidnapping of Japanese citizens. Plus the supply of material (up to the shipment of entire missiles) to regimes and insurgent groups in other parts of the world, in defiance of UN proscriptions.
As I said I certainly don't condone the current NK regime but its not quite as simple as they are the bad guys and the US are the good guys, which is what western media would have us believe and people like Benters fall for rather too easily.
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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:36 - Sep 3 with 7679 views
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:25 - Sep 3 by LeoMuff
Well under Obama I didn't see us reach this crisis level with NK, Trump has stirred up a hornets nest just for his own ego trip, and now has a pretty much unsolvable problem.
Obama's policy of appeasement has seen NK flex it's muscles until we have reached this "unsolvable problem".
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 06:54 - Sep 3 by StokieBlue
A bomb which could produce a 6.3 earthquake would be quite a step up from their previous efforts. As the BBC experts point out it's still not a hydrogen bomb so I guess that's at least one good thing.
Test won't change anything, the whole situation is a stalemate, nobody can really do anything different to what they have been doing except North Korea.
SB
Yes it was a hydrogen bomb.
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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:43 - Sep 3 with 7664 views
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:19 - Sep 3 by StokieBlue
You decided to equate him to the North Korean regime though, something that is patently absurd.
It's not the board police, say what you like but people are free to call you out on it. It's becoming increasingly tiresome and detracts from debate. You also weren't responding to the initial Trump usage (which was silly), you were off on another tangent.
SB
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Sorry, haven't been about much, spending cuts.
Right, is there some ill behaviour to sort out?
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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:46 - Sep 3 with 7656 views
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:46 - Sep 3 by LeoMuff
What was Obama supposedl to do ? NK were always going to develop these weapons as long as China refuses to reign them in.
Unfortunately Trumps rhetoric has led to them firing them all over the shop, just to prove they can
Correct, ultimately with China guaranteeing their security to maintain its buffer state (not overtly but implicitly) there are no options to remove the leadership other than trying to destabilise the populace of NK.
The next step could be an arms race and Japan (and SK) may well follow its own nuclear weapons programme if not already started one. Not sure this is in China or Russian strategic interests but the Chinese seemed to have decided the buffer state is a vital interest. Given how duplicitous the wests foreign endeavours are this is perhaps not surprising.
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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 10:00 - Sep 3 with 7636 views
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:36 - Sep 3 by GlasgowBlue
Obama's policy of appeasement has seen NK flex it's muscles until we have reached this "unsolvable problem".
Appeasement? There is no military solution so I would say realistic. Ultimately if they ever attack anywhere in a meaningful way they are done for. When you have balance like this you tend to have peace.
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North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 10:14 - Sep 3 with 7613 views
North Korea have tested another nuclear bomb on 09:28 - Sep 3 by Harry_Palmer
As I said I certainly don't condone the current NK regime but its not quite as simple as they are the bad guys and the US are the good guys, which is what western media would have us believe and people like Benters fall for rather too easily.
Of course. None of this is Black Hat White Hat. However, pretty much the entire international community (including Russia and China) is united in condemnation of NK's nuclear and missile programmes.
It is also worth noting that recent (i.e. in the last two decades) US interventions have all been against regimes which were committing genocidal acts upon their own people (Serbia, Iraq), had declared they were about to (Libya), or were actively sheltering terrorists threatening America (Sudan, Afghanistan, Yemen).
Meanwhile NK has a current record of aggressive (nay bloodthirsty) rhetoric and actions against its neighbour and the latter's allies. They may not technically have a peace treaty, but the armistice has been in place for nearly 65 years now. There is no real excuse for it.
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