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do we really need Iorfa? |  |
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But surely you can see that both Emmanuel and Rowe will benefit from regular game time, which they wouldn't be getting here? Sears getting the odd 10 minutes is neither here nor there, but for Rowe who needs to get used to playing professional football it's not going to be the best way for him to develop. Same with Emmanuel. Much better for us for them to have a good loan spell and come back ready to push on as better players, neither of them is going to make a huge difference to us currently. |
I can see that, but at a time when they are currently better than what we have surely you can see why I’d rather have the better players here?
Sears comes on and does nothing. Rowe could come on and grab us a winner/equaliser, get an assist. Imagine being an opposition manager knowing if we start our normal 4 that we’ll likely bring on sears, you’d be fcking laughing. But Rowe, unknown quantity.
But hey, I guess whatever MM does he’s spot on |  |
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I can see that, but at a time when they are currently better than what we have surely you can see why I’d rather have the better players here?
Sears comes on and does nothing. Rowe could come on and grab us a winner/equaliser, get an assist. Imagine being an opposition manager knowing if we start our normal 4 that we’ll likely bring on sears, you’d be fcking laughing. But Rowe, unknown quantity.
But hey, I guess whatever MM does he’s spot on |
It's not clear cut that they're better than what we have; Emmanuel looked very raw last season and Rowe hasn't been ripping it up in the U23s or training, so it's highly speculative to think he could be a game changer at this level. Plus they're never likely to really improve and develop to become genuine first team players if all they are getting is the odd cameo for us. Sometimes you need to take a longer term view and we're more likely to benefit from giving them a decent loan spell than keeping them here and barely playing them. |  |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 15:55 - Jan 30 with 4051 views | SomethingBlue |
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I can see that, but at a time when they are currently better than what we have surely you can see why I’d rather have the better players here?
Sears comes on and does nothing. Rowe could come on and grab us a winner/equaliser, get an assist. Imagine being an opposition manager knowing if we start our normal 4 that we’ll likely bring on sears, you’d be fcking laughing. But Rowe, unknown quantity.
But hey, I guess whatever MM does he’s spot on |
I know it suits your stance to be talking Rowe up like this but there is no grounding at all for anything you say — so let's keep it real. |  |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 17:49 - Jan 30 with 4011 views | textbackup |
| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 15:55 - Jan 30 by SomethingBlue |
I know it suits your stance to be talking Rowe up like this but there is no grounding at all for anything you say — so let's keep it real. |
To both of the above.
Answer me this. Would you (without your MM specs on here) rather see Rowe coming on in the 80th Min when 1-0 down at Carrow road, or Sears. Your honest answers here. A man we don’t know much about but looked decent in a couple of games last season, or sears who has been incredibly poor for two years. Remember there are a lot of people on here, think carefully. | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 18:55 - Jan 30 with 3989 views | Trequartista |
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It's odd, his best games have been as one of a central 3 he looks comfortable and defensively sound. When he plays at right back he doesn't, gets caught ball watching and a weak link. |
It's not odd that his best games are in central defence, he's 6 foot 2. Tall players have to be pretty freakish to be natural full backs. |  |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 21:31 - Jan 30 with 3962 views | Ely_Blue |
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I can see that, but at a time when they are currently better than what we have surely you can see why I’d rather have the better players here?
Sears comes on and does nothing. Rowe could come on and grab us a winner/equaliser, get an assist. Imagine being an opposition manager knowing if we start our normal 4 that we’ll likely bring on sears, you’d be fcking laughing. But Rowe, unknown quantity.
But hey, I guess whatever MM does he’s spot on |
And prey tell do you think players like Harry Kane, Ross Barkley, Jesse Lingard to name but 3 would have been the players they currently are had they not gone out whilst young and not good enough to play week in and week out in their parent clubs so they dropped division to get confidence and game time. Harry Kane & Lingard wouldn’t be banging in goals for fun if they had been benchwarmers |  |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 22:09 - Jan 30 with 3953 views | Herbivore |
| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 18:55 - Jan 30 by Trequartista |
It's not odd that his best games are in central defence, he's 6 foot 2. Tall players have to be pretty freakish to be natural full backs. |
What utter gibberish. | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 07:42 - Jan 31 with 3911 views | textbackup |
| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 22:09 - Jan 30 by Herbivore |
What utter gibberish. |
I’m still waiting | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 07:45 - Jan 31 with 3909 views | textbackup |
| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 21:31 - Jan 30 by Ely_Blue |
And prey tell do you think players like Harry Kane, Ross Barkley, Jesse Lingard to name but 3 would have been the players they currently are had they not gone out whilst young and not good enough to play week in and week out in their parent clubs so they dropped division to get confidence and game time. Harry Kane & Lingard wouldn’t be banging in goals for fun if they had been benchwarmers |
Yeah you’re probably right, but look at what they had ahead of them at their parent clubs compared to what these lads have. Big difference | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 07:51 - Jan 31 with 3907 views | Ely_Blue |
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Yeah you’re probably right, but look at what they had ahead of them at their parent clubs compared to what these lads have. Big difference |
It’s all relevant to their comparative abilities though | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 08:21 - Jan 31 with 3901 views | Herbivore |
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I’m still waiting |
What for? To cheer the fck up I hope. | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 09:39 - Jan 31 with 3888 views | Dairyblue88 |
| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 22:09 - Jan 30 by Herbivore |
What utter gibberish. |
I can understand what I believe he means. The full back position is out wide, which is tighter and requires higher levels of maneuverability, change of direction and agility. A reason you don't see many effective fullbacks who are over 6 foot 2? would Webster be a good fullback?
Why for example Chambers looks better at cb? Mings at a higher level in the Premier League is converted to a cb? If you can give examples of full backs who a tall that play fullback effctively/naturally who are not freakish? then I can't see what is ''utter gibberish'' in regards to what Trequartista posted.. [Post edited 31 Jan 2018 9:41]
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 09:39 - Jan 31 by Dairyblue88 |
I can understand what I believe he means. The full back position is out wide, which is tighter and requires higher levels of maneuverability, change of direction and agility. A reason you don't see many effective fullbacks who are over 6 foot 2? would Webster be a good fullback?
Why for example Chambers looks better at cb? Mings at a higher level in the Premier League is converted to a cb? If you can give examples of full backs who a tall that play fullback effctively/naturally who are not freakish? then I can't see what is ''utter gibberish'' in regards to what Trequartista posted.. [Post edited 31 Jan 2018 9:41]
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Mings and Hreidarrson are two examples. Maicon was over 6 foot and was an excellent full back. Knudsen is 6'1" and is a very good full back. Does Spence himself, who is 27 and has played successfully as a right back for over 200 games in his career, not count as an example? It's true that generally full backs don't tend to be as tall as CBs but trying to suggest that someone who has played 200+ games at full back can't be a full back because of their height is plain silly. [Post edited 31 Jan 2018 9:50]
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 08:21 - Jan 31 by Herbivore |
What for? To cheer the fck up I hope. |
See my question above | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 10:18 - Jan 31 with 3867 views | Herbivore |
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See my question above |
The one about Sears or Rowe? Not sure either would make much of an impact if we're 1-0 down at Carrow Road. Sears hasn't offered much in ages, Rowe hasn't pushed on this season and hasn't been tearing it up in the U23s. Hopefully him having a run of games at Lincoln will help him to improve so that he can have an impact here. | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 10:34 - Jan 31 with 3859 views | Dairyblue88 |
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Mings and Hreidarrson are two examples. Maicon was over 6 foot and was an excellent full back. Knudsen is 6'1" and is a very good full back. Does Spence himself, who is 27 and has played successfully as a right back for over 200 games in his career, not count as an example? It's true that generally full backs don't tend to be as tall as CBs but trying to suggest that someone who has played 200+ games at full back can't be a full back because of their height is plain silly. [Post edited 31 Jan 2018 9:50]
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Mings is now a centre half, why? Hreidarrson for me looked great at centre half also (better there imo), what I gathered from earlier posts regarding Spence is that he can play and is a capable fullback but is a better centreback , which I agree. Some on here argue Knudsen is a better centre back too.
What ties all of those players you mentioned (and what enables them to play fullback despite being tall) is that they are superb athletes, which what was meant by the term ''freakish'' being used I gather.
Tall athletic defenders are able to play full back but will always be far superior centre halfs imo. (Jaap Stam, Thuram, Maldini, William Gallas etc etc) | | | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 10:34 - Jan 31 by Dairyblue88 |
Mings is now a centre half, why? Hreidarrson for me looked great at centre half also (better there imo), what I gathered from earlier posts regarding Spence is that he can play and is a capable fullback but is a better centreback , which I agree. Some on here argue Knudsen is a better centre back too.
What ties all of those players you mentioned (and what enables them to play fullback despite being tall) is that they are superb athletes, which what was meant by the term ''freakish'' being used I gather.
Tall athletic defenders are able to play full back but will always be far superior centre halfs imo. (Jaap Stam, Thuram, Maldini, William Gallas etc etc) |
Mings isn't playing now. He was an excellent full back, clearly Howe has seen something in him and wants to convert him to a centre back, that's his call. I completely disagree that Hreidarsson, Knudsen or Spence are/were better at centre back than at full back, I think perhaps your rigid views on the heights players should be in certain positions is colouring your view on this one. | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 11:00 - Jan 31 with 3836 views | Dairyblue88 |
| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 10:42 - Jan 31 by chicoazul |
The GOAT was tall.
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and you really know your football he was magnificient at centre half... | | | |
| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 14:38 - Jan 31 with 3808 views | textbackup |
| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 10:18 - Jan 31 by Herbivore |
The one about Sears or Rowe? Not sure either would make much of an impact if we're 1-0 down at Carrow Road. Sears hasn't offered much in ages, Rowe hasn't pushed on this season and hasn't been tearing it up in the U23s. Hopefully him having a run of games at Lincoln will help him to improve so that he can have an impact here. |
After the polititions answer, I’m still waiting, Sears or Rowe | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 14:42 - Jan 31 with 3806 views | Herbivore |
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After the polititions answer, I’m still waiting, Sears or Rowe |
Carayol. | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 15:00 - Jan 31 with 3798 views | textbackup |
| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 14:42 - Jan 31 by Herbivore |
Carayol. |
Sears or Rowe, nearly 24hours for an answer here | |
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| Now we have Spence, Chambers, Webster, Cameron-Vickers available on 15:05 - Jan 31 with 3789 views | Herbivore |
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Sears or Rowe, nearly 24hours for an answer here |
Well the real answer is neither, but I'll flip a coin and go with.......Sears. | |
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