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From surfing the forum, there is obviously a huge amount of discontent and I understand it, its a results game but watching the games and watching the football, I just cannot come to the conclusion that the best idea would be to sack him.
For the past 10 years I've sat through the Roy Keane debacle, ingested the s**t Football Paul Jewell served up and countless 35 year-old loan players, watched on longingly as Mick McCarthy set us up for another 90 minutes of turgid long ball football with the intention of stealing a point from the opposition.
The point is the football were playing is not terrible, were just a team devoid of confidence. I would rather watch last nights performance or Saturdays performance again then any game played under Mick from October onwards. We created opportunities, several great balls across the box, Rudolph saved well from Chalobah, Sears looked bright. Jackson looked great on Saturday, Nolan had glimpses but you simply cant cater for the mistakes we make. Last night Chambers literally gave the ball to Downing, what can Hurst do?! The team makes a dreadful attempt to press properly and then cant pressure the ball. Yes you can say that's Hurst fault for not practising it properly but these are grown men, paid to play football. Its no use saying the recruitment isn't good enough etc etc a full team press is a staple of every single team in every league. It's just lapses in concentration at key times.
The point is that this team will come good and this manager will come good. As with every manager though we have to give them time to adjust and change a culture.
I know a few will disagree but this is no where near the depths we reached under Keane, under Jewell and under McCarthy.
If we sack him we will end up with another 'experienced' manager like Megson/ Holloway who get a few quick points and in 2 years time we will be at the same cross roads we were in the summer. This is the change we asked for so lets be patient.We know Evans will give him time so lets get behind the lads again and pray that our first win comes on Saturday!
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The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 09:23 - Oct 3 with 4161 views
We don't look like a team who are anywhere near being able to win a game of football, we might not be playing terrible, but that will count for nothing if we end up in League One, which we will if this carries on.
It's quite a long way beyond the "depths" we experienced under McCarthy — let's be quite honest.
I'd love Hurst to get the time he quite clearly needs; hopefully he'll somehow manage to pull it off and we'll all laugh about this one day. But more than anything I'd love us not to go down.
I dont know what you have been watching but there is no goal threat and a terrifying lack of quality in this side and Hurst shows no sign of knowing what to do about it.
As far as I can see he doesnt know his best 11 or what tactics to use and I dont think we have any more time to let him find out.
It is early to sack him but we either do that, and still possibly go down, or leave him in post and certainly go down.
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The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 09:31 - Oct 3 with 4112 views
The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 09:29 - Oct 3 by RegencyBlue
I dont know what you have been watching but there is no goal threat and a terrifying lack of quality in this side and Hurst shows no sign of knowing what to do about it.
As far as I can see he doesnt know his best 11 or what tactics to use and I dont think we have any more time to let him find out.
It is early to sack him but we either do that, and still possibly go down, or leave him in post and certainly go down.
Sadly I am in full agreement with you. Evans has misjudged this badly.
What can the manager do? Drill, drill, drill his players until they form partnerships and instinctively know where each other are on the pitch. Organise formations and routines which are effective. Motivate and encourage the players to carry out his plans accurately.
Match after match there is no sign this is happening.
Chambers made a mistake for the goal. So what? No player at this level is perfect. But that is magnified by the team's inability to score goals themselves and a myriad of other errors which keep giving possession away to the opposition. Every match there is something - at some point that stops being individual mistakes and becomes a systemic problem.
And, frankly, if you think McCarthy was worse than this then you aren't really worth taking seriously. The Bolton game was abject, and we spent the fist half yesterday lumping the ball towards Jackson against Boro's enormous defence.
The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 09:42 - Oct 3 by Steve_M
Hopelessly Panglossian.
And, frankly, if you think McCarthy was worse than this then you aren't really worth taking seriously. The Bolton game was abject, and we spent the fist half yesterday lumping the ball towards Jackson against Boro's enormous defence.
I agree that's in an incredibly optimistic outlook and one that in time may look stupid.
Isn't your criticism of Hurst basically what McCarthy did every game even following Murphy's departure. Aimless long balls to a front two were not aerial specialists. At least Hurst saw that at half time, changed it and in the second half we were leaps and bounds better. With Mick we never even tried to play football.
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The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 09:57 - Oct 3 with 3987 views
The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 09:50 - Oct 3 by Nick_Blue11
I agree that's in an incredibly optimistic outlook and one that in time may look stupid.
Isn't your criticism of Hurst basically what McCarthy did every game even following Murphy's departure. Aimless long balls to a front two were not aerial specialists. At least Hurst saw that at half time, changed it and in the second half we were leaps and bounds better. With Mick we never even tried to play football.
Never even tried? His biggest mistake here was trying to change too much in the Summer of 2015 to use fast wingers rather than building on what had worked the year before.
And here's us not playing football last season. The first half of which was actually pretty good even if the second was dull. Half a season of being better than average is a dream at the moment.
The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 09:50 - Oct 3 by Nick_Blue11
I agree that's in an incredibly optimistic outlook and one that in time may look stupid.
Isn't your criticism of Hurst basically what McCarthy did every game even following Murphy's departure. Aimless long balls to a front two were not aerial specialists. At least Hurst saw that at half time, changed it and in the second half we were leaps and bounds better. With Mick we never even tried to play football.
We did try and play football under McCarthy, not always very well and Mick did have a frustrating habit of reverting to dogs-of-war stuff at first sign of trouble. But let's not rewrite history. And let's not pretend that what we're seeing now is any better — it really, really is not. When an opposition is happy to sit off you for the second 45 minutes then of course you'll get more time to try and knock the ball about.
The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 09:57 - Oct 3 by Steve_M
Never even tried? His biggest mistake here was trying to change too much in the Summer of 2015 to use fast wingers rather than building on what had worked the year before.
And here's us not playing football last season. The first half of which was actually pretty good even if the second was dull. Half a season of being better than average is a dream at the moment.
I think being as good as average is a dream at the moment.
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The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 10:08 - Oct 3 with 3929 views
The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 09:50 - Oct 3 by Nick_Blue11
I agree that's in an incredibly optimistic outlook and one that in time may look stupid.
Isn't your criticism of Hurst basically what McCarthy did every game even following Murphy's departure. Aimless long balls to a front two were not aerial specialists. At least Hurst saw that at half time, changed it and in the second half we were leaps and bounds better. With Mick we never even tried to play football.
MM managed a mid table finish with a squad that was closer to the bottom 3 in quality. No matter that Hurst managed to switch things around in the 2nd half yesterday (and to be fair on other occasions) we still don’t threaten to score enough goals, leaving us vulnerable to defensive errors - and our midfield and defence are very prone to those when we don’t have the ball, getting out of position too easily and gifting the ball to the opposition in the wrong areas when we do.
That is a direct result of the lack of quality recruited/remaining, the coaching they are given and the way the team are set up, all Hurst’s responsibility.
All of which points to a managerial change, since we can’t bring in any more players until January, as it’s really difficult to see where we can gain 44 points (if 50 represents safety) from 35 games
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The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 10:11 - Oct 3 with 3909 views
The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 09:57 - Oct 3 by Steve_M
Never even tried? His biggest mistake here was trying to change too much in the Summer of 2015 to use fast wingers rather than building on what had worked the year before.
And here's us not playing football last season. The first half of which was actually pretty good even if the second was dull. Half a season of being better than average is a dream at the moment.
Okay there were obviously times in his 6 years as manager where we played some good stuff, you've selected the best footballing performance in all 6 years. Yet here we all are judging Hurst after 10 games and requesting he be sacked.
I agree half a season of being better than average is a long way off at the minute but I just think we have to give the guy time. Over reacting for a small period of (potential) short term gain isn't the way to move forward.
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The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 10:18 - Oct 3 with 3889 views
Will be interesting to see how long PNE stick with Neil. If an ex-premier league manager can stay in post bottom of the league then surely Paul Hurst should get more time. Agree with much of Nick Blue11's post but the lack of goals has to be down to the financial reality of the club. Assombalonga moved to Middlesbrough for £15m and he was on the bench, our record signing was Sereni years ago.
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The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 10:30 - Oct 3 with 3858 views
Only the blinkered are still of the belief this is better than the last two seasons. Yes it was rubbish, yes it was right to ditch Mick. But there’s no improvement here. We’ve got a squad lacking talent and direction and the tactics and football promised by Hurst have gone out of the window at the first sign of trouble. Hurst is panicking, his team selections suggest that, and he probably knows he’s out of his depth. We haven’t won in 11 and we don’t look like winning, even when we’re 2-0 up! It’s all very well saying get to Christmas but we could be adrift. And if we are, do you think Evans will reach for the cheque book? No, he won’t. He’ll play it safe with loans because he won’t want to be lumbered with big contracts if we do end up in League One. It’s time to admit a mistake. Relegation would be a disaster for Evans and this club.
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The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 10:39 - Oct 3 with 3837 views
we spend Tuesdays and Thursdays doing double gym sessions... no football on those 2 days.
We have light training on a Monday, light training on a Friday.
So when do we actually put the effort in to train properly on football matters!!!
The daft thing is, the way Hurst has changed his style, the pressing need be hurst fit doesn't really make sense as we're not doing it. So sack off the double sessions, and lets get some actually football training in.
The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 10:28 - Oct 3 by CoachRob
Will be interesting to see how long PNE stick with Neil. If an ex-premier league manager can stay in post bottom of the league then surely Paul Hurst should get more time. Agree with much of Nick Blue11's post but the lack of goals has to be down to the financial reality of the club. Assombalonga moved to Middlesbrough for £15m and he was on the bench, our record signing was Sereni years ago.
Preston have proven they can win a match (plus two in the cup). They also fought back from two down to nearly grab victory at Villa last night.
Ipswich have not won a single game and thrown away the lead on three occasions.
Couldn't agree more with this post. We all called for change in the summer which clearly was required. We've changed...
Yes, maybe it was an unnecessary overhaul of the squad and yes, maybe we shouldn't have sold some of our best players but Hurst came with an idea and the only way he could implement that was to raise funds from selling players to buy others (seems Evans is the real guilty party here. He could have offered the money and kept the likes of Waggy and Webster.)
I agree, Hurst has bought too many 'lower league' players but I think the real problem is confidence. These players were all winners at their previous clubs and aren't used to being in the position we're in. I don't think they're not up to the standard. Plenty of lower league players come through at clubs and go on to be cracking players at this level. They just need confidence.
I also agree that sacking Hurst would be the worst possible solution at this stage. People might not agree but we are still in the first quarter of the season. These are his players with his ideas. We all welcomed these signings when they came in the summer as it's what we all wanted. Back in the Jewell days, we required a stable body to come in (Mick) to steady the ship and we needed the Mick era to get us back to being that steady eddie championship club. We don't need another 5 years of stabilising from a 'proven' manager just bobbing along in the championship. We've go a proud history of giving managers time and we're far from being anywhere near cut adrift as yet. Give the new era time, the regime need our support at this time and the win will come!
Give Hurst time and I'm sure he will be the right man moving forwards.
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The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 11:04 - Oct 3 with 3747 views
The worst thing we can do now is sack Hurst on 10:44 - Oct 3 by JDAndCoke
Couldn't agree more with this post. We all called for change in the summer which clearly was required. We've changed...
Yes, maybe it was an unnecessary overhaul of the squad and yes, maybe we shouldn't have sold some of our best players but Hurst came with an idea and the only way he could implement that was to raise funds from selling players to buy others (seems Evans is the real guilty party here. He could have offered the money and kept the likes of Waggy and Webster.)
I agree, Hurst has bought too many 'lower league' players but I think the real problem is confidence. These players were all winners at their previous clubs and aren't used to being in the position we're in. I don't think they're not up to the standard. Plenty of lower league players come through at clubs and go on to be cracking players at this level. They just need confidence.
I also agree that sacking Hurst would be the worst possible solution at this stage. People might not agree but we are still in the first quarter of the season. These are his players with his ideas. We all welcomed these signings when they came in the summer as it's what we all wanted. Back in the Jewell days, we required a stable body to come in (Mick) to steady the ship and we needed the Mick era to get us back to being that steady eddie championship club. We don't need another 5 years of stabilising from a 'proven' manager just bobbing along in the championship. We've go a proud history of giving managers time and we're far from being anywhere near cut adrift as yet. Give the new era time, the regime need our support at this time and the win will come!
Give Hurst time and I'm sure he will be the right man moving forwards.
There's a two point gap opened between 21st and 22nd now. Without the ability to get three points with a win (we are averaging 0.55 points per game), that gap will quickly become unbridgeable.
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