| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:37 - Dec 11 with 4236 views | jjblue84 |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 06:50 - Dec 11 by DanTheMan |
Which rights in particular are affected by hospitals providing a vegan option for food? |
Just to provide the cheapest healthiest option for the taxpayer. Not pay more for fussy eaters! |  | |  |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:46 - Dec 11 with 4232 views | Herbivore |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 05:08 - Dec 11 by jjblue84 |
No, and no-one ever has...but now the law is dictating on personal desires! |
No it isn't. |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:47 - Dec 11 with 4230 views | Herbivore |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:37 - Dec 11 by jjblue84 |
Just to provide the cheapest healthiest option for the taxpayer. Not pay more for fussy eaters! |
That's handy then, meat is expensive so they really should only offer vegan meals. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:56 - Dec 11 with 4217 views | jjblue84 |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:47 - Dec 11 by Herbivore |
That's handy then, meat is expensive so they really should only offer vegan meals. |
If that was the case they’d be doing it already out of free choice...nothing against that! | | | |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:58 - Dec 11 with 4221 views | Herbivore |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:56 - Dec 11 by jjblue84 |
If that was the case they’d be doing it already out of free choice...nothing against that! |
Why would they? It's almost like you're making this up as you go along. You've totally failed to show how vegans having rights infringes on anyone else's rights. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 08:01 - Dec 11 with 4219 views | monytowbray |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:58 - Dec 11 by Herbivore |
Why would they? It's almost like you're making this up as you go along. You've totally failed to show how vegans having rights infringes on anyone else's rights. |
He has, and he’s avoided the question where he has to justify it 4 times. This thread did not go well for him. |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 08:12 - Dec 11 with 4211 views | bluelagos |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 15:57 - Dec 10 by monytowbray |
I did read this yesterday. A very welcome opinion that is honest but doesn't plead ignorance/denial to the evidence in front of him.
I honestly believe dairy will be a dead industry within the next 20-30 years. Giving up meat perhaps within 80-200 years. |
I'd switch those over. I think Vegetarian diets will come first and then (maybe) Vegan ones.
Think the drivers will be environmental concerns rather than animal welfare/exploitation.
I'd also argue just how slowly attitudes change though, especially when there is such a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. One point you regularly make, which is spot on, is just how conditioned we are by the diary/meat industry with their huge advertising spend. |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 08:24 - Dec 11 with 4203 views | DanTheMan |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:37 - Dec 11 by jjblue84 |
Just to provide the cheapest healthiest option for the taxpayer. Not pay more for fussy eaters! |
No that doesn't answer the question, which of your rights have been affected by a hospital offering vegan meals? |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 13:20 - Dec 11 with 4162 views | jjblue84 |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 07:46 - Dec 11 by Herbivore |
No it isn't. |
Oh it is...the law is being used as a threat already... | | | |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 14:04 - Dec 11 with 4142 views | jjblue84 |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 08:24 - Dec 11 by DanTheMan |
No that doesn't answer the question, which of your rights have been affected by a hospital offering vegan meals? |
Good, because the question should be about the rights of others, not necessarily mine... | | | |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 14:09 - Dec 11 with 4145 views | DanTheMan |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 14:04 - Dec 11 by jjblue84 |
Good, because the question should be about the rights of others, not necessarily mine... |
OK, specifically which rights of "others" have been infringed by a hospital offering vegan meals as a choice? | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 15:25 - Dec 11 with 4120 views | monytowbray |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 14:09 - Dec 11 by DanTheMan |
OK, specifically which rights of "others" have been infringed by a hospital offering vegan meals as a choice? |
Don’t make him think too hard, he might malfunction. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 15:40 - Dec 11 with 4110 views | Herbivore |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 13:20 - Dec 11 by jjblue84 |
Oh it is...the law is being used as a threat already... |
In what way? And which individual's rights have actually had their rights infringed upon? | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:05 - Dec 11 with 4100 views | caught-in-limbo |
"The thing that’s annoying about there suddenly being lots of them (vegans) is the nagging suspicion that they might be right."
I don't think Mitchell is being as honest as he claims to be here. Whole societies or cultures don't make changes to culturally acceptable behaviours practised over decades, if not centuries, because of a sudden realisation that it's no longer the right thing to do.
The rise in veganism is a result of a very different media portrayal of the vegan lifestyle and vegans in general over the last decade or so. Mitchell's article in the Guardian is evidence of that. Simply put, someone's being allowed to push pro-vegan agenda. |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:11 - Dec 11 with 4094 views | giant_stow |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:05 - Dec 11 by caught-in-limbo |
"The thing that’s annoying about there suddenly being lots of them (vegans) is the nagging suspicion that they might be right."
I don't think Mitchell is being as honest as he claims to be here. Whole societies or cultures don't make changes to culturally acceptable behaviours practised over decades, if not centuries, because of a sudden realisation that it's no longer the right thing to do.
The rise in veganism is a result of a very different media portrayal of the vegan lifestyle and vegans in general over the last decade or so. Mitchell's article in the Guardian is evidence of that. Simply put, someone's being allowed to push pro-vegan agenda. |
someone? |  |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:21 - Dec 11 with 4087 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:11 - Dec 11 by giant_stow |
someone? |
Yep, might even be a group of people, or even several groups. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:22 - Dec 11 with 4086 views | giant_stow |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:21 - Dec 11 by caught-in-limbo |
Yep, might even be a group of people, or even several groups. |
tease.
who?! | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:22 - Dec 11 with 4086 views | DanTheMan |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:05 - Dec 11 by caught-in-limbo |
"The thing that’s annoying about there suddenly being lots of them (vegans) is the nagging suspicion that they might be right."
I don't think Mitchell is being as honest as he claims to be here. Whole societies or cultures don't make changes to culturally acceptable behaviours practised over decades, if not centuries, because of a sudden realisation that it's no longer the right thing to do.
The rise in veganism is a result of a very different media portrayal of the vegan lifestyle and vegans in general over the last decade or so. Mitchell's article in the Guardian is evidence of that. Simply put, someone's being allowed to push pro-vegan agenda. |
I'd hardly call Veganism a "sudden" realisation. It's been around quite a while. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:23 - Dec 11 with 4083 views | Cotty |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 15:57 - Dec 10 by monytowbray |
I did read this yesterday. A very welcome opinion that is honest but doesn't plead ignorance/denial to the evidence in front of him.
I honestly believe dairy will be a dead industry within the next 20-30 years. Giving up meat perhaps within 80-200 years. |
No more milk butter or cheese in 20 years? As in all of our lifetimes? I seriously doubt it. Try making this suggestion to a French person! |  | | |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:29 - Dec 11 with 4070 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:22 - Dec 11 by giant_stow |
tease.
who?! |
dunno, someone. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:34 - Dec 11 with 4059 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:22 - Dec 11 by DanTheMan |
I'd hardly call Veganism a "sudden" realisation. It's been around quite a while. |
Veganism's been around for a while, yes, but my comment is framed around Mitchell's words which I pasted at the start of my comment: "The thing that’s annoying about there suddenly being lots of them (vegans) is the nagging suspicion that they might be right."
Do you disagree with Mitchell, or is it just me you want to disagree with? | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:38 - Dec 11 with 4055 views | DanTheMan |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:34 - Dec 11 by caught-in-limbo |
Veganism's been around for a while, yes, but my comment is framed around Mitchell's words which I pasted at the start of my comment: "The thing that’s annoying about there suddenly being lots of them (vegans) is the nagging suspicion that they might be right."
Do you disagree with Mitchell, or is it just me you want to disagree with? |
No I agree with him, but now I'm confused what your point is. Whole cultures don't change overnight (although certain events can change peoples minds incredibly quickly) but after something has hit the mainstream it can certainly spread very quickly.
As he points out, when there are a few of them, it's very easy to write them off. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:42 - Dec 11 with 4046 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:38 - Dec 11 by DanTheMan |
No I agree with him, but now I'm confused what your point is. Whole cultures don't change overnight (although certain events can change peoples minds incredibly quickly) but after something has hit the mainstream it can certainly spread very quickly.
As he points out, when there are a few of them, it's very easy to write them off. |
I think my point is clear.
I'm saying the media is influencing the number of vegans. You're suggesting the media is responding to the number of vegans. | |
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| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:52 - Dec 11 with 4034 views | jeera |
| I'm just going to leave this here... on 16:23 - Dec 11 by Cotty |
No more milk butter or cheese in 20 years? As in all of our lifetimes? I seriously doubt it. Try making this suggestion to a French person! |
It's a fair point you make. We seem to be sometimes making assumptions that movements on our own doorstep, (no pun/insinuation intended), will automatically be mirrored elsewhere.
Try telling the Argentinians that beef is no longer a viable option. |  |
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