| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England 07:43 - Aug 6 with 2575 views | Steve_M |
From Barney Ronay and George Dobell:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/aug/05/england-red-faces-neglecting-
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27328345/alarms-no-surprises-england-sle
For all the excellent work Bayliss has done for the one day teams there has been no improvement in the Test side over the last four four years, indeed the side is probably weaker given Cook's slow decline and then retirement. It's not just down to him, England haven't replaced Strauss as an opener and he retired in 2012.
Not that the ECB particularly care, still obsessed with promoting the absurd Hundred than building on the parts of the game that work - look at the T20 crowds, market a one day competition on the same format we've just become World Champions in.
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:00 - Aug 6 with 2317 views | BloomBlue |
I think the ECB were heavily focused on the WC because it was in England and that worked because England won it.
Attendance at cricket has declined over the last 10 years now some of that is probably more about Sky having County cricket but it had to be addressed. The hope was/is winning the WC will give cricket a lift. But by concentrating on the WC it was always going to potentially impact the test performances.
Although if you look at the 1st test the difference was Smith, take him out of the team and both are equal. Smith is one of those special sportsmen that come along in every sport every few years, he will be seen as one of the greatest cricketers ever. |  | | |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:25 - Aug 6 with 2286 views | Reuser_is_God |
Not read either article yet but I assume from your post one is suggesting we should be going for a 50 over franchise competition? I thought this during the World Cup, it would be awesome. Won’t happen though unfortunately because ECB are obsessed with The Hundred.
Yesterday & Sunday were a massive kick in the bollox for English cricket after the euphoria of the World Cup.
Where do we go when Bayliss goes? Morgan will retire from I think so I’d make him coach straight away of the white ball sides & get a specialist test coach in. |  |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:29 - Aug 6 with 2275 views | Guthrum |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:00 - Aug 6 by BloomBlue |
I think the ECB were heavily focused on the WC because it was in England and that worked because England won it.
Attendance at cricket has declined over the last 10 years now some of that is probably more about Sky having County cricket but it had to be addressed. The hope was/is winning the WC will give cricket a lift. But by concentrating on the WC it was always going to potentially impact the test performances.
Although if you look at the 1st test the difference was Smith, take him out of the team and both are equal. Smith is one of those special sportsmen that come along in every sport every few years, he will be seen as one of the greatest cricketers ever. |
Also Anderson. His breaking down after just four overs is as critical as Glenn McGrath stepping on that ball in 2005 - amplified by the fact it was during a match and left us a bowler short when facing someone of Smith's calibre. |  |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:45 - Aug 6 with 2260 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:29 - Aug 6 by Guthrum |
Also Anderson. His breaking down after just four overs is as critical as Glenn McGrath stepping on that ball in 2005 - amplified by the fact it was during a match and left us a bowler short when facing someone of Smith's calibre. |
Indeed.
I also think that Matthew Wade should have his 100 discredited. He started his innings against Joe Denny FFS. | |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:52 - Aug 6 with 2241 views | Ftnfwest |
The whole thing with Woakes, unless injured or unwell on Sunday morning, was a bit strange as well. Certainly under bowled in the second innings. But it was one of those tests where really nothing much went our way including the ball change saga. Short term I think other than obviously all being well bring in archer to replace jimmy, I’d be looking at bairstow, Buttler an Ali who are all hopelessly out of form. Trouble is Rashid is another one Root seems to have no confidence in, but I’d drop either bairstow or Buttler for Sam Curran who offers as much if not more as a batsman at the moment never mind his bowling. |  | | |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:53 - Aug 6 with 2238 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:25 - Aug 6 by Reuser_is_God |
Not read either article yet but I assume from your post one is suggesting we should be going for a 50 over franchise competition? I thought this during the World Cup, it would be awesome. Won’t happen though unfortunately because ECB are obsessed with The Hundred.
Yesterday & Sunday were a massive kick in the bollox for English cricket after the euphoria of the World Cup.
Where do we go when Bayliss goes? Morgan will retire from I think so I’d make him coach straight away of the white ball sides & get a specialist test coach in. |
The ECB have been obsessed with creating a condensed 20/20 competition, having seen the success of the IPL & the Big Bash. However, they've dithered far too long, rather than reorganising the existing county 20/20 competition & ludicrously are now going to run the "100" alongside a County 50 over competition. What sane person sets up in competition with itself?
Bayliss (along with Captain Morgan) has helped revitalise the England one day team, but the Test side remains as problematic as ever. This year's schedule plus a World Cup in England was always going to make that harder. If they hadn't foolishly picked Anderson without his recovery from fitness being proven, England could easily have won that Test so let's not get too downbeat. Steve Smith apart, there's not much between the 2 sides, although Lyon is so much better a spinner than an out of form Moeen, who has to be dropped. |  |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:00 - Aug 6 with 2228 views | artsbossbeard |
Mentioned previously but I was at a Barbie down under earlier this year and the subject turned to cricket.
They're all extremely jealous of our middle order batting and worried about Anderson on his home pitches..
Apart from not wanting Warner to ever play for them again, their only collective hope (their words) were if England were taking their collective eye off the Test Match version of the game. Marathon not a sprint etc. |  |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:08 - Aug 6 with 2194 views | Guthrum |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:52 - Aug 6 by Ftnfwest |
The whole thing with Woakes, unless injured or unwell on Sunday morning, was a bit strange as well. Certainly under bowled in the second innings. But it was one of those tests where really nothing much went our way including the ball change saga. Short term I think other than obviously all being well bring in archer to replace jimmy, I’d be looking at bairstow, Buttler an Ali who are all hopelessly out of form. Trouble is Rashid is another one Root seems to have no confidence in, but I’d drop either bairstow or Buttler for Sam Curran who offers as much if not more as a batsman at the moment never mind his bowling. |
Is Archer properly fit either? Curran is, for me, the best shout, bowls well and can bat. Maybe give Leach a go as the spinner, Rashid can be expensive (tho he does get wickets). | |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:21 - Aug 6 with 2156 views | Ftnfwest |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:08 - Aug 6 by Guthrum |
Is Archer properly fit either? Curran is, for me, the best shout, bowls well and can bat. Maybe give Leach a go as the spinner, Rashid can be expensive (tho he does get wickets). |
Yes I believe even archer has to come through a game this week first to be considered. Leach not a bad shout but his fine knock with the bat has rather masked the fact he didn’t bowl with much threat against Ireland | | | |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:21 - Aug 6 with 2155 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:08 - Aug 6 by Guthrum |
Is Archer properly fit either? Curran is, for me, the best shout, bowls well and can bat. Maybe give Leach a go as the spinner, Rashid can be expensive (tho he does get wickets). |
Rashid is also injured. | |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:23 - Aug 6 with 2151 views | hampstead_blue |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:08 - Aug 6 by Guthrum |
Is Archer properly fit either? Curran is, for me, the best shout, bowls well and can bat. Maybe give Leach a go as the spinner, Rashid can be expensive (tho he does get wickets). |
Archer hasn't proved he can play 5 days yet.
Bowling 10 overs is different to 18 a day for 3 days out of 5.
Can he be consistent? Has he learned enough yet? It's all well and good running in hard but what do you do when the ball is soft? Bowl for different plans etc.
Our batting line-up and personnel are shot.
Bairstow - out. Foakes - in.
Ali - out. Leach - in
Anderson - out. Who can move the ball? - in
Denly - out. Not sure - in
I like Roy and Burns. Chalk and cheese. Roy should play for a couple of years or until he looks like he's been found out. Which ever is the sooner. I like his style even though it is very frustrating.
Root should be at four were he is happiest.
Here is my wild card - Nick Browne (Essex) at 3.
We need a strong county opener at 3 to balance Roy's aggressive batting.
Buttler - Can't be dropped. He has everything. No-one in the county game comes close. He bats at 6.
Stokes at 5. Matured beyond belief. Awesome. Can't rely on his bowling to stick to a plan.
Coach - I've no idea.
Collingwood should be kept - world's best fielder. Risdiculous.
Tres, Gooch, Boycott (or God as I like to call him), as a batting coach?
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:24 - Aug 6 with 2146 views | Ftnfwest |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:21 - Aug 6 by Reuser_is_God |
Rashid is also injured. |
That’s it, sack the fitness coach | | | |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:24 - Aug 6 with 2147 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:08 - Aug 6 by Guthrum |
Is Archer properly fit either? Curran is, for me, the best shout, bowls well and can bat. Maybe give Leach a go as the spinner, Rashid can be expensive (tho he does get wickets). |
Unless the ball's swinging, Curran isn't really a Test 3rd seamer & we have Stokes who is a more than able 4th seamer so don't really see how Curran fits in. Woakes must have been injured at Edgbaston so that's a worry.
We don't know if Archer can bowl 15 overs in a Test at pace and then do it again the next day, but only one way to find out (assuming he is actually fully fit).
Leach looks the best option if we want a spinner to shut down an end as Rashid won't do that & he also seemed to have some sort of shoulder injury during the World Cup, | |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:31 - Aug 6 with 2118 views | Guthrum |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:24 - Aug 6 by Radlett_blue |
Unless the ball's swinging, Curran isn't really a Test 3rd seamer & we have Stokes who is a more than able 4th seamer so don't really see how Curran fits in. Woakes must have been injured at Edgbaston so that's a worry.
We don't know if Archer can bowl 15 overs in a Test at pace and then do it again the next day, but only one way to find out (assuming he is actually fully fit).
Leach looks the best option if we want a spinner to shut down an end as Rashid won't do that & he also seemed to have some sort of shoulder injury during the World Cup, |
Anderson's more a swinger than a seamer (that's Broad's department), so Curran would be a direct replacement.
How much 4-day County cricket has Archer played? Not the same standard, but at least it would be something. | |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:49 - Aug 6 with 2079 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:31 - Aug 6 by Guthrum |
Anderson's more a swinger than a seamer (that's Broad's department), so Curran would be a direct replacement.
How much 4-day County cricket has Archer played? Not the same standard, but at least it would be something. |
Archer has played very little 4 day cricket - he's only played 28 First Class games in his career. Apparently, he's playing for Sussex II this week to prove his fitness. Pity we didn't get Anderson to do the same before pitching him back into the team! | |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:54 - Aug 6 with 2076 views | BlueForYou |
Good article by Dobell. England hardly ever change personnel, but they have to at Lords if we are to be at least competitive.
I'd keep Roy & Burns
Root at three
I'd consider a change at four with Malan
Stokes at five
We need to axe either Buttler or Bairstow as we must bring in Ben Foakes.
Moeen Ali should never play for England again. Leach replaces.
This is where it gets tricky. Woakes has an amazing record at Lords but does he really fit in? Sam Curran might be something different for Smith to think about & if it swings then hes deadly. My replacement for Anderson is Stone, we cannot surely take another fitness risk by selecting Archer. Broad stays & would be my captain.
We need a change |  | | |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:56 - Aug 6 with 2067 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:54 - Aug 6 by BlueForYou |
Good article by Dobell. England hardly ever change personnel, but they have to at Lords if we are to be at least competitive.
I'd keep Roy & Burns
Root at three
I'd consider a change at four with Malan
Stokes at five
We need to axe either Buttler or Bairstow as we must bring in Ben Foakes.
Moeen Ali should never play for England again. Leach replaces.
This is where it gets tricky. Woakes has an amazing record at Lords but does he really fit in? Sam Curran might be something different for Smith to think about & if it swings then hes deadly. My replacement for Anderson is Stone, we cannot surely take another fitness risk by selecting Archer. Broad stays & would be my captain.
We need a change |
Most of that made sense until you suggested Broad becomes captain. What's that going to do for the confidence of our best batsman?
We didn't lose the game because of Root's captaincy. | |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 10:01 - Aug 6 with 2057 views | Ftnfwest |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:56 - Aug 6 by Radlett_blue |
Most of that made sense until you suggested Broad becomes captain. What's that going to do for the confidence of our best batsman?
We didn't lose the game because of Root's captaincy. |
At this stage agree but in the future we might have to have a think about the captaincy as I’m not sure Root knows what to do once the game starts getting away from him, but I’d persevere for now. Broad may not be a bad shout in the future although he himself of course may not have many years left. He’s become a very good, if often unlucky, test bowler over the years. If we’d held half the drops off him he wouldn’t be far of jimmys wicket haul (the difference being no one dare drop one of jimmy - when it does happen don’t expect to be talked to again for a week!) | | | |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 10:14 - Aug 6 with 2043 views | BlueForYou |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:56 - Aug 6 by Radlett_blue |
Most of that made sense until you suggested Broad becomes captain. What's that going to do for the confidence of our best batsman?
We didn't lose the game because of Root's captaincy. |
I think it would do wonders for our best batsman, it's not done much harm to Smith has it? I suppose Stokes is the only other captaincy change? | | | |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 10:27 - Aug 6 with 2029 views | ElephantintheRoom |
You assume anyone cares. The puerile excitement on here for bish-bash pseudo cricket and rounders shows that the ECB has been correct to ignore test cricket and concentrate on non-cricket. Only Australia takes test cricket seriously and are perhaps the only country now that has a credible test side. But that is because they have test cricket fans. Over here cricket, like rugby has been utterly destroyed by the corporate brigade |  |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 13:43 - Aug 6 with 1948 views | Whymarkmariner |
From what I saw of the first test we may have a better middle order than them, but they have four decent bowlers, five if you include Starke. Our wicket keeper could hardly say " Bowlin Ali" because all I can remember of him was one that really turned. The rest of his bowling and batting was awful. Couldn't understand why he was in the team. Jason Roy doesn't look an opening test batsman either. Need a re-think for the second test me thinks. | | | |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 17:24 - Aug 6 with 1898 views | woodbridge_blue |
I heard from a very reliable source last week, who works at a local first class county cricket club, that Chris Woakes has a degenerative knee injury, much more serious than has been revealed in the media. Don't be surprised if Woakes doesn't play much more test cricket. | | | |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 17:59 - Aug 6 with 1868 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 08:52 - Aug 6 by Ftnfwest |
The whole thing with Woakes, unless injured or unwell on Sunday morning, was a bit strange as well. Certainly under bowled in the second innings. But it was one of those tests where really nothing much went our way including the ball change saga. Short term I think other than obviously all being well bring in archer to replace jimmy, I’d be looking at bairstow, Buttler an Ali who are all hopelessly out of form. Trouble is Rashid is another one Root seems to have no confidence in, but I’d drop either bairstow or Buttler for Sam Curran who offers as much if not more as a batsman at the moment never mind his bowling. |
Nothing much went our way?
Our only century maker not being given out when he should have been (on 21 at the time) was enormous luck and set us up for a significant 1st innings lead. |  |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 18:08 - Aug 6 with 1858 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:54 - Aug 6 by BlueForYou |
Good article by Dobell. England hardly ever change personnel, but they have to at Lords if we are to be at least competitive.
I'd keep Roy & Burns
Root at three
I'd consider a change at four with Malan
Stokes at five
We need to axe either Buttler or Bairstow as we must bring in Ben Foakes.
Moeen Ali should never play for England again. Leach replaces.
This is where it gets tricky. Woakes has an amazing record at Lords but does he really fit in? Sam Curran might be something different for Smith to think about & if it swings then hes deadly. My replacement for Anderson is Stone, we cannot surely take another fitness risk by selecting Archer. Broad stays & would be my captain.
We need a change |
As well as taking 6-24 today, Archer also scored a hundred for Sussex IIs. If ever the selctors needed a nudge...although he won't bat higher than 9 & Lord's isn't particularly suited to raw pace. | |
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| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 18:57 - Aug 6 with 1835 views | gordon |
| Cricket: A couple of good pieces on England on 09:54 - Aug 6 by BlueForYou |
Good article by Dobell. England hardly ever change personnel, but they have to at Lords if we are to be at least competitive.
I'd keep Roy & Burns
Root at three
I'd consider a change at four with Malan
Stokes at five
We need to axe either Buttler or Bairstow as we must bring in Ben Foakes.
Moeen Ali should never play for England again. Leach replaces.
This is where it gets tricky. Woakes has an amazing record at Lords but does he really fit in? Sam Curran might be something different for Smith to think about & if it swings then hes deadly. My replacement for Anderson is Stone, we cannot surely take another fitness risk by selecting Archer. Broad stays & would be my captain.
We need a change |
Picking Olly Stone because we don't want to take a fitness risk wouldn't make too much sense, he's pretty much the Teddy Bishop of the County Cricket scene. He once missed a season because of an injury he picked up celebrating a wicket - jumped up too high, landed awkwardly on his knee and tore his ACL and cartilage. |  | | |
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