| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) 15:42 - Mar 4 with 4163 views | bobbyramsey |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 15:46 - Mar 4 with 3517 views | itfcjoe |
Yes, I think people overplay things
We aren't going to nick a manager from a club properly on the up, but we are still ab big club that most managers would jump at the chance of managing
Look at joey barton last night - he's managing a team above us who only take 88 fans to an away game |  |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 15:49 - Mar 4 with 3505 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Yes, its supply and demand.
Its still a decent sized club in the scheme of things, and most managers would like the idea of bringing success back to Ipswich.
....by success, I simply mean promotion. |  |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:12 - Mar 4 with 3459 views | bobbyramsey |
I suppose I've asked a bit of a stupid question, the answer would very much depend on whether a manager was employed or not..... | | | |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:15 - Mar 4 with 3448 views | Chrisd |
Yes and no. No, in terms of all the baggage and restrictions that goes with us being owned by ME and the amount of manager's we've got through we've clearly got deep rooted issues. Yes, if the appointed manager is able to turn things around the academy and fan base is there. If successful, things could potentially take off! |  |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:17 - Mar 4 with 3431 views | itfcjoe |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:15 - Mar 4 by Chrisd |
Yes and no. No, in terms of all the baggage and restrictions that goes with us being owned by ME and the amount of manager's we've got through we've clearly got deep rooted issues. Yes, if the appointed manager is able to turn things around the academy and fan base is there. If successful, things could potentially take off! |
We haven't got through many managers
Mick had 5 years, Hurst had 15 games and then Lambert has had 75.
I'd say bar Hurst, every one of our managers has had a tenure above average in the football league under Evans | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:29 - Mar 4 with 3404 views | Chrisd |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:17 - Mar 4 by itfcjoe |
We haven't got through many managers
Mick had 5 years, Hurst had 15 games and then Lambert has had 75.
I'd say bar Hurst, every one of our managers has had a tenure above average in the football league under Evans |
Appreciate it's your opinion, but it would be something you'd consider. PH and PL , although still here, had and hasn't been here that long and they're the most recent of managers. The fact PL had signed a 5 year contract and now a matter of months later looks like he's getting the boot would make you weary. [Post edited 4 Mar 2020 16:44]
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:32 - Mar 4 with 3385 views | LankHenners |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:29 - Mar 4 by Chrisd |
Appreciate it's your opinion, but it would be something you'd consider. PH and PL , although still here, had and hasn't been here that long and they're the most recent of managers. The fact PL had signed a 5 year contract and now a matter of months later looks like he's getting the boot would make you weary. [Post edited 4 Mar 2020 16:44]
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It would make you think you'll get plenty of time as long as you perform well in your job, which is pretty normal. |  |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:32 - Mar 4 with 3376 views | itfcjoe |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:29 - Mar 4 by Chrisd |
Appreciate it's your opinion, but it would be something you'd consider. PH and PL , although still here, had and hasn't been here that long and they're the most recent of managers. The fact PL had signed a 5 year contract and now a matter of months later looks like he's getting the boot would make you weary. [Post edited 4 Mar 2020 16:44]
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But again, look around other clubs - nowhere else would have allowed Lambert 75 games with what he has shown.
Had we given him a tenure like Hurst then fair enough, but clubs chop and change.
I think ITFC fans are a bit insular with things and don't look at the rest of the footballing world | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:35 - Mar 4 with 3353 views | Herbivore |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:17 - Mar 4 by itfcjoe |
We haven't got through many managers
Mick had 5 years, Hurst had 15 games and then Lambert has had 75.
I'd say bar Hurst, every one of our managers has had a tenure above average in the football league under Evans |
Indeed. Given the average lifespan of a manager these days, Ipswich is practically a job for life. Other sides burn through managers far more quickly than we do. |  |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:35 - Mar 4 with 3356 views | Sikamikanico |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:17 - Mar 4 by itfcjoe |
We haven't got through many managers
Mick had 5 years, Hurst had 15 games and then Lambert has had 75.
I'd say bar Hurst, every one of our managers has had a tenure above average in the football league under Evans |
Based on this 2015 article you would be right
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11688/9875915/average-tenure-of-managers
At the time the Championship average was only .86 of a year which is ridiculously low | | | |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:35 - Mar 4 with 3352 views | Chrisd |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:32 - Mar 4 by LankHenners |
It would make you think you'll get plenty of time as long as you perform well in your job, which is pretty normal. |
I appreciate football is a different beast, but that would set alarm bells ring for me personally. | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:36 - Mar 4 with 3348 views | hype313 |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 15:46 - Mar 4 by itfcjoe |
Yes, I think people overplay things
We aren't going to nick a manager from a club properly on the up, but we are still ab big club that most managers would jump at the chance of managing
Look at joey barton last night - he's managing a team above us who only take 88 fans to an away game |
But they have a very small fan base anyway, so 88 probably represents similar numbers to bigger clubs, notwithstanding the fact it was a Tuesday night 300 miles away.
Regarding the OP, I don't think it's as attractive as it once was, you're basically working with one hand tied behind your back with a disenfranchised owner. |  |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:37 - Mar 4 with 3336 views | Herbivore |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:35 - Mar 4 by Chrisd |
I appreciate football is a different beast, but that would set alarm bells ring for me personally. |
If the prospect of managing Town would set alarm bells ringing the you'd be in the wrong business trying to be a football manager. We are way more patient and generally give our managers a lot more time than other sides. | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:41 - Mar 4 with 3316 views | itfcjoe |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:36 - Mar 4 by hype313 |
But they have a very small fan base anyway, so 88 probably represents similar numbers to bigger clubs, notwithstanding the fact it was a Tuesday night 300 miles away.
Regarding the OP, I don't think it's as attractive as it once was, you're basically working with one hand tied behind your back with a disenfranchised owner. |
It's not a criticism, but if Fleetwood get to the PO Final as an eample would they even take 10k fans? The chance to succeed here would be a massive pull | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:42 - Mar 4 with 3319 views | Chrisd |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:37 - Mar 4 by Herbivore |
If the prospect of managing Town would set alarm bells ringing the you'd be in the wrong business trying to be a football manager. We are way more patient and generally give our managers a lot more time than other sides. |
On average, at the start of the 2019-20 Premier League, a manager lasted 789 days, which is the equivalent of 2 years, 8 weeks and 3 days. Not sure how that compares to L1 though? I was surprised, thought it would be a lot less than that. [Post edited 4 Mar 2020 16:43]
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:44 - Mar 4 with 3297 views | LankHenners |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:35 - Mar 4 by Chrisd |
I appreciate football is a different beast, but that would set alarm bells ring for me personally. |
Why? As already pointed out by others we're more generous with time given to managers than we should be.
"I'll get plenty of time here" isn't an alarm bell. | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:46 - Mar 4 with 3277 views | Herbivore |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:42 - Mar 4 by Chrisd |
On average, at the start of the 2019-20 Premier League, a manager lasted 789 days, which is the equivalent of 2 years, 8 weeks and 3 days. Not sure how that compares to L1 though? I was surprised, thought it would be a lot less than that. [Post edited 4 Mar 2020 16:43]
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We're not in the Premier League. The Championship is less than a year. Not sure about League 1.
Just had a look and only 33 managers in the Prem and Football League have been in post longer than Lambert. When you consider that he's failed from more or less day one I doubt anyone would look at that and be put off that we don't give managers time. [Post edited 4 Mar 2020 16:52]
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:48 - Mar 4 with 3267 views | Chrisd |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:44 - Mar 4 by LankHenners |
Why? As already pointed out by others we're more generous with time given to managers than we should be.
"I'll get plenty of time here" isn't an alarm bell. |
You wouldn't think it was strange? Sign a 5 year contract and then potentially gone in 4 months!? | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:52 - Mar 4 with 3249 views | Harry_Palmer |
Anybody in the lower divisions or currently out of work would surely jump at the chance.
With our budget in this division ( even next season ) it represents a very good chance to get a promotion on your CV. Any semi competent manager should be able to get us into the top 6. |  | | |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:53 - Mar 4 with 3239 views | LankHenners |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:48 - Mar 4 by Chrisd |
You wouldn't think it was strange? Sign a 5 year contract and then potentially gone in 4 months!? |
No, I'd look at things slightly more closely than that. | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:54 - Mar 4 with 3228 views | Herbivore |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:48 - Mar 4 by Chrisd |
You wouldn't think it was strange? Sign a 5 year contract and then potentially gone in 4 months!? |
In the context of the job he's done in recent months I doubt anyone would think sacking him now is harsh. | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:54 - Mar 4 with 3227 views | Chrisd |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:46 - Mar 4 by Herbivore |
We're not in the Premier League. The Championship is less than a year. Not sure about League 1.
Just had a look and only 33 managers in the Prem and Football League have been in post longer than Lambert. When you consider that he's failed from more or less day one I doubt anyone would look at that and be put off that we don't give managers time. [Post edited 4 Mar 2020 16:52]
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We're not in the Championship either, but you'd think that it was longer in L1 we haven't had too much managerial movement this season. 12 of the current L1 managers have been in their jobs for more than a year, Gareth Ainsworth the longest at 7 years and 5 months. | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:56 - Mar 4 with 3212 views | Herbivore |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:54 - Mar 4 by Chrisd |
We're not in the Championship either, but you'd think that it was longer in L1 we haven't had too much managerial movement this season. 12 of the current L1 managers have been in their jobs for more than a year, Gareth Ainsworth the longest at 7 years and 5 months. |
As I said, only 33 managers out of 91 have been in post longer than Lambert. In the context of the poor job he's done I doubt anyone (other than you, clearly) would look at it and think "I think Ipswich are a bit trigger happy, think I'll give them a swerve". | |
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:57 - Mar 4 with 3209 views | Chrisd |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:53 - Mar 4 by LankHenners |
No, I'd look at things slightly more closely than that. |
I'd be hesitant if it was me, give with one hand and take or rather snatch back with the other. Certainly need to do their research. ME is the real issue in accepting that job. [Post edited 4 Mar 2020 17:00]
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| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 17:09 - Mar 4 with 3170 views | Herbivore |
| Is ITFC still an attractive proposition for a manager? (n/t) on 16:57 - Mar 4 by Chrisd |
I'd be hesitant if it was me, give with one hand and take or rather snatch back with the other. Certainly need to do their research. ME is the real issue in accepting that job. [Post edited 4 Mar 2020 17:00]
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Thankfully I don't think you need to worry about being offered the job and I doubt anyone else would think we've been too trigger happy when it comes to Lambert. | |
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