| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them 14:46 - Apr 13 with 16979 views | Lord_Lucan |
The Doors
The Clash
Michael Jackson
Prince
Bruce Springsteen
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 15:07 - Apr 16 with 1699 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 14:31 - Apr 16 by Herbivore |
When didn't he pay his band? I'm guessing you might be going back as far as the 70s here but I'd be interested to know more about it. Is it a bit like the time the othe half of the Smiths took Morrissey and Marr to court to get their share of the band's royalties? Saying that, Bowie generally worked with a backing band rather than being part of a band as such. Still, if he didn't pay people what they are owed then that is scummy behaviour.
To be honest though, I'm more referring to seeing and listening to him in my lifetime and he's always come across well to me. Certainly he's come across a lot better than certain other musicians, who if anything have become more kunty with age. |
Feel free to watch the documentary yourself... David Bowie: Ziggy Stardust.
Why are you comparing him with Morrissey? We were talking about David Bowie. I made no comment or comparison with Morrissey. |  |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 15:18 - Apr 16 with 1693 views | Herbivore |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 15:07 - Apr 16 by BrixtonBlue |
Feel free to watch the documentary yourself... David Bowie: Ziggy Stardust.
Why are you comparing him with Morrissey? We were talking about David Bowie. I made no comment or comparison with Morrissey. |
I'm not really a Bowie fan so doubt I'll watch it. That said, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with people accusing him of not paying them when he's not here to defend himself. I'm sure they could have taken him to court when he was alive had they had a case. But still, if he genuinely didn't pay people what they were owed then that is scummy.
I thought I'd touch on Morrissey as I just find it interesting the different standards you hold people to is all. |  |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 23:10 - Apr 16 with 1652 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 15:18 - Apr 16 by Herbivore |
I'm not really a Bowie fan so doubt I'll watch it. That said, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with people accusing him of not paying them when he's not here to defend himself. I'm sure they could have taken him to court when he was alive had they had a case. But still, if he genuinely didn't pay people what they were owed then that is scummy.
I thought I'd touch on Morrissey as I just find it interesting the different standards you hold people to is all. |
Your reply is all over the place!
Firstly, I'm not a Bowie fan (clearly) but I watched it because I thought it might be interesting/give me more of an insight.
Secondly, you're throwing doubt on a documentary you haven't seen, because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Finally you finish, with a flourish, by talking about the standards I hold people to even though I haven't made any comment on the standards I hold people to. It was you that posted about Bowie's good character, I just offered a counter to that based on facts rather than impressions. Just because I rate Morrissey as a singer/songwriter has nothing to do with what I think of his personality, and it doesn't have anything to do with this discussion on David Bowie either.
You've tied yourself in knots here! | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 00:21 - Apr 17 with 1626 views | Herbivore |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 23:10 - Apr 16 by BrixtonBlue |
Your reply is all over the place!
Firstly, I'm not a Bowie fan (clearly) but I watched it because I thought it might be interesting/give me more of an insight.
Secondly, you're throwing doubt on a documentary you haven't seen, because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Finally you finish, with a flourish, by talking about the standards I hold people to even though I haven't made any comment on the standards I hold people to. It was you that posted about Bowie's good character, I just offered a counter to that based on facts rather than impressions. Just because I rate Morrissey as a singer/songwriter has nothing to do with what I think of his personality, and it doesn't have anything to do with this discussion on David Bowie either.
You've tied yourself in knots here! |
Not really, no. You've defended Morrissey on here loads when he's been his usual bitter, racist, jeb-end self. It's all easily found. You don't get to set the limits of debate to a particular post or thread, Dollers, much as you'd like to. I am free to seek to widen the debate should I so wish.
I'm not actually at all arsed by Bowie (hence no interest in watching the documentary) but you seem to accept a quite one sided view of him that's based on unverified testimony. I'm not sure I'm down with that, especially so soon after his death when he can't counter. Seems a bit crass to me. But if there's corroborating evidence then fair enough. As I said earlier, I'd be interested in some actual details (if you can provide them) as not paying people what's promised is dick territory, but without any context I'm not sure what you're accusing him of. It's not like they took him to court to get their share as a matter of public record, like half of The Smiths did........
There are no knots, I just find it interesting to see you (generally, not limited to this thread just so you're clear) panning one artist whose music you don't like for being objectively less of a kunt than an artist whose music you do like. If you think Bowie is a bell then you should really have no time for Morrissey to be fair. I have no dog in this fight, I'm no fan of either. I'm merely a faintly amused observer who is tyring to help you be a bit more reflective about how you morally judge artists. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 07:09 - Apr 17 with 1600 views | WeWereZombies |
Kasabian
The Dave Matthews Band
The Proclaimers
Beverley Knight |  |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 07:11 - Apr 17 with 1600 views | Churchman |
Radiohead
My mate’s favourite band, I’ve downloaded a couple of their albums and tried, I know they are brilliant, like the style of music. But I don’t know why, I just can’t get into them. |  | | |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 08:27 - Apr 17 with 1578 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 15:07 - Apr 16 by BrixtonBlue |
Feel free to watch the documentary yourself... David Bowie: Ziggy Stardust.
Why are you comparing him with Morrissey? We were talking about David Bowie. I made no comment or comparison with Morrissey. |
As somebody who back in the day pretty much devoured every biography of Bowie that was written, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard a story that he didn’t pay his band.
If the allegation refers to the Ziggy period then it must be the Spiders From Mars, who were essentially a backing band over a three year period.
During that period Bowie had no control over the finances. That was the remit of his manager, Tony DeFries. He even took 50% of Bowie’s royalties
DeFries was a tight bastard and the Spiders were always asking for a pay rise as they were on a wage.
Bowie eventually parted way with the Spiders for artistic reasons.
Nothing underhanded in that as many artists replace the musicians they work with in the pursuit of artistic achievement. Prince binned the Revolution for the NPG. Weller broke up the Jam because he felt they limited his musical advancement. Paul McCartney replaced John Lennon with Linda.
Mick Ronson went on to play with Dylan amongst many others. He even produced Morrissey’s only decent solo album. Boulder and Woodmansey were jobbing musicians and they probably did have times when they were on the dole but that isn’t a result of not being paid by Bowie.
It certainly seems an odd stick to beat a bloke with who only left us recently. Especially as every time he changed the musicians he worked with, he went on to produce a completely different sounding and brilliant piece of work. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 9:19]
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:08 - Apr 17 with 1562 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 00:21 - Apr 17 by Herbivore |
Not really, no. You've defended Morrissey on here loads when he's been his usual bitter, racist, jeb-end self. It's all easily found. You don't get to set the limits of debate to a particular post or thread, Dollers, much as you'd like to. I am free to seek to widen the debate should I so wish.
I'm not actually at all arsed by Bowie (hence no interest in watching the documentary) but you seem to accept a quite one sided view of him that's based on unverified testimony. I'm not sure I'm down with that, especially so soon after his death when he can't counter. Seems a bit crass to me. But if there's corroborating evidence then fair enough. As I said earlier, I'd be interested in some actual details (if you can provide them) as not paying people what's promised is dick territory, but without any context I'm not sure what you're accusing him of. It's not like they took him to court to get their share as a matter of public record, like half of The Smiths did........
There are no knots, I just find it interesting to see you (generally, not limited to this thread just so you're clear) panning one artist whose music you don't like for being objectively less of a kunt than an artist whose music you do like. If you think Bowie is a bell then you should really have no time for Morrissey to be fair. I have no dog in this fight, I'm no fan of either. I'm merely a faintly amused observer who is tyring to help you be a bit more reflective about how you morally judge artists. |
The problem is I haven't morally judged Bowie. I just responded to your 'nice guy' line with some facts. I don't think Morrissey is a particularly 'nice guy' either, seeing as you're so desperate to bring him into the discussion.
Basically, your attack on me here is an ad hominem one. The notion that I shouldn't like Morrissey because I don't like Bowie is just silly. I like the Smiths music and Morrissey's lyrics. I've failed to get excited by Bowie's. None of this has anything to do with their personalities.
And you're still judging a documentary you haven't seen and refuse to watch. How on earth can you call it "unverified testimony" when you're the one refusing to look at the evidence? That says plenty about you, maybe you ought to be a bit more reflective yourself. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:24 - Apr 17 with 1543 views | Herbivore |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:08 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue |
The problem is I haven't morally judged Bowie. I just responded to your 'nice guy' line with some facts. I don't think Morrissey is a particularly 'nice guy' either, seeing as you're so desperate to bring him into the discussion.
Basically, your attack on me here is an ad hominem one. The notion that I shouldn't like Morrissey because I don't like Bowie is just silly. I like the Smiths music and Morrissey's lyrics. I've failed to get excited by Bowie's. None of this has anything to do with their personalities.
And you're still judging a documentary you haven't seen and refuse to watch. How on earth can you call it "unverified testimony" when you're the one refusing to look at the evidence? That says plenty about you, maybe you ought to be a bit more reflective yourself. |
Can you provide some corroborating evidence that Bowie was responsible for not paying his band? We have evidence that Morrissey and Marr didn't fairly pay their band mates, there's a court judgement against them. All we have for Bowie is some guys in a documentary making a claim about Bowie that he can't counter because he's dead. Also, see Glassers post on the subject as he seems pretty clued up on Bowie.
You have on many occasions defended Morrissey to the hilt on here, not musically but against accusations that he's a hateful bellend. You've excused some pretty awful utterances from him in more than one occasion. You can't separate your like or dislike of someone as an artist from how you think of them as people. That's fine, I'm sure you aren't alone in that. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:24 - Apr 17 with 1543 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 08:27 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue |
As somebody who back in the day pretty much devoured every biography of Bowie that was written, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard a story that he didn’t pay his band.
If the allegation refers to the Ziggy period then it must be the Spiders From Mars, who were essentially a backing band over a three year period.
During that period Bowie had no control over the finances. That was the remit of his manager, Tony DeFries. He even took 50% of Bowie’s royalties
DeFries was a tight bastard and the Spiders were always asking for a pay rise as they were on a wage.
Bowie eventually parted way with the Spiders for artistic reasons.
Nothing underhanded in that as many artists replace the musicians they work with in the pursuit of artistic achievement. Prince binned the Revolution for the NPG. Weller broke up the Jam because he felt they limited his musical advancement. Paul McCartney replaced John Lennon with Linda.
Mick Ronson went on to play with Dylan amongst many others. He even produced Morrissey’s only decent solo album. Boulder and Woodmansey were jobbing musicians and they probably did have times when they were on the dole but that isn’t a result of not being paid by Bowie.
It certainly seems an odd stick to beat a bloke with who only left us recently. Especially as every time he changed the musicians he worked with, he went on to produce a completely different sounding and brilliant piece of work. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 9:19]
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You may well have devoured every biography of Bowie back in the day. This documentary was made in 2017 (rated 8.1 on IMDB, which influenced my decision to watch). Maybe, like Herbs, you should watch it before commenting. Whether the Spiders From Mars were a backing band is neither here nor there, they still ought to be paid. Not sure why you've listed lots of other people who had backing bands. His wife, Angie, also featured heavily in the documentary.
They also, at times, spoke fondly of him. It's not a one-sided hatchet job.
I didn't make the documentary, I'm just commenting on what it revealed from the mouths of people there at the time. Not really sure why I'm defending to people who haven't watched it. It was actually you who encouraged me to give Bowie more of a chance, which is another reason that influenced me to give it a watch. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:28 - Apr 17 with 1539 views | Herbivore |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:24 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue |
You may well have devoured every biography of Bowie back in the day. This documentary was made in 2017 (rated 8.1 on IMDB, which influenced my decision to watch). Maybe, like Herbs, you should watch it before commenting. Whether the Spiders From Mars were a backing band is neither here nor there, they still ought to be paid. Not sure why you've listed lots of other people who had backing bands. His wife, Angie, also featured heavily in the documentary.
They also, at times, spoke fondly of him. It's not a one-sided hatchet job.
I didn't make the documentary, I'm just commenting on what it revealed from the mouths of people there at the time. Not really sure why I'm defending to people who haven't watched it. It was actually you who encouraged me to give Bowie more of a chance, which is another reason that influenced me to give it a watch. |
So back in the early 70s his backing band claim they didn't get paid (which may not have been Bowie's responsibility according to Glassers) and on that basis you think he can't have been a decent guy? | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:35 - Apr 17 with 1533 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:24 - Apr 17 by Herbivore |
Can you provide some corroborating evidence that Bowie was responsible for not paying his band? We have evidence that Morrissey and Marr didn't fairly pay their band mates, there's a court judgement against them. All we have for Bowie is some guys in a documentary making a claim about Bowie that he can't counter because he's dead. Also, see Glassers post on the subject as he seems pretty clued up on Bowie.
You have on many occasions defended Morrissey to the hilt on here, not musically but against accusations that he's a hateful bellend. You've excused some pretty awful utterances from him in more than one occasion. You can't separate your like or dislike of someone as an artist from how you think of them as people. That's fine, I'm sure you aren't alone in that. |
I'm not searching for evidence while you refuse to watch the documentary. I've got better things to do with my life! Watch it or STFU about it!
They aren't "some guys" either. They're his band and his wife. If that isn't enough evidence (and you won't watch it anyway) there's little point me doing anything else.
"You can't separate your like or dislike of someone as an artist from how you think of them as people."
Well you can actually. And I haven't even said I dislike Bowie. I say, again, all I did was offer a counter to your impression of him. Let's remember your view is based on nothing but an impression you have. Mine's based on a documentary featuring his band and his ex-wife. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:37 - Apr 17 with 1530 views | Herbivore |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:35 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue |
I'm not searching for evidence while you refuse to watch the documentary. I've got better things to do with my life! Watch it or STFU about it!
They aren't "some guys" either. They're his band and his wife. If that isn't enough evidence (and you won't watch it anyway) there's little point me doing anything else.
"You can't separate your like or dislike of someone as an artist from how you think of them as people."
Well you can actually. And I haven't even said I dislike Bowie. I say, again, all I did was offer a counter to your impression of him. Let's remember your view is based on nothing but an impression you have. Mine's based on a documentary featuring his band and his ex-wife. |
You're hilarious. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:38 - Apr 17 with 1530 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:24 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue |
You may well have devoured every biography of Bowie back in the day. This documentary was made in 2017 (rated 8.1 on IMDB, which influenced my decision to watch). Maybe, like Herbs, you should watch it before commenting. Whether the Spiders From Mars were a backing band is neither here nor there, they still ought to be paid. Not sure why you've listed lots of other people who had backing bands. His wife, Angie, also featured heavily in the documentary.
They also, at times, spoke fondly of him. It's not a one-sided hatchet job.
I didn't make the documentary, I'm just commenting on what it revealed from the mouths of people there at the time. Not really sure why I'm defending to people who haven't watched it. It was actually you who encouraged me to give Bowie more of a chance, which is another reason that influenced me to give it a watch. |
Without having to watch the whole documentary, which one of the Spiders made the claim?
Ronson and Bolder departed some time ago so I can only presume it was Woody Woodmansey who was the only Spider left alive in 2017.
Did he say that he didn’t get paid by Bowie, which lead to a period on the dole? Because as I understand it Woody’s beef was that as Bowie got bigger and brought in more musicians like Mike Garson, the pianist, these new musicians were paid three times as much as the Spiders and Woodmansey went to DeFries to get a pay rise.
As a I said, a DeFries paid the band, not Bowie and If memory serves DeFries told Woodmansy that he’d rather give the roadies a pay rise than him.
DeFries was a c**t and Bowie was still paying him royalties in the 1980’s even though they parted Company in 1975. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:39 - Apr 17 with 1527 views | WeWereZombies |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 08:27 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue |
As somebody who back in the day pretty much devoured every biography of Bowie that was written, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard a story that he didn’t pay his band.
If the allegation refers to the Ziggy period then it must be the Spiders From Mars, who were essentially a backing band over a three year period.
During that period Bowie had no control over the finances. That was the remit of his manager, Tony DeFries. He even took 50% of Bowie’s royalties
DeFries was a tight bastard and the Spiders were always asking for a pay rise as they were on a wage.
Bowie eventually parted way with the Spiders for artistic reasons.
Nothing underhanded in that as many artists replace the musicians they work with in the pursuit of artistic achievement. Prince binned the Revolution for the NPG. Weller broke up the Jam because he felt they limited his musical advancement. Paul McCartney replaced John Lennon with Linda.
Mick Ronson went on to play with Dylan amongst many others. He even produced Morrissey’s only decent solo album. Boulder and Woodmansey were jobbing musicians and they probably did have times when they were on the dole but that isn’t a result of not being paid by Bowie.
It certainly seems an odd stick to beat a bloke with who only left us recently. Especially as every time he changed the musicians he worked with, he went on to produce a completely different sounding and brilliant piece of work. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 9:19]
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'And you look like a star but you're still on the dole
All the way from Memphis'
Not written or produced by David Bowie but Ian Hunter was associated with him at the time, and many chart topping bands had musicians in them who had to claim unemployment benefit due to managers hanging on to their money and not paying them. Tony Defries managed Mott The Hoople as well as David Bowie, Mick Ronson, Iggy Pop and John Cougar Mellencamp through his MainMan organisation.
'In fact, at the height of his Ziggy fame, Bowie often borrowed money from Defries just to buy groceries. "I slaved and made nothing,"Â Bowie said after dumping Defries in 1975'
From: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/19505/10-ruthless-rock-managers
Dare I suggest that managers like DeFreis and Colonel Tom Parker were the precursors of Thatcherism and maybe later on the 'gig' economy? | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:42 - Apr 17 with 1524 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:24 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue |
You may well have devoured every biography of Bowie back in the day. This documentary was made in 2017 (rated 8.1 on IMDB, which influenced my decision to watch). Maybe, like Herbs, you should watch it before commenting. Whether the Spiders From Mars were a backing band is neither here nor there, they still ought to be paid. Not sure why you've listed lots of other people who had backing bands. His wife, Angie, also featured heavily in the documentary.
They also, at times, spoke fondly of him. It's not a one-sided hatchet job.
I didn't make the documentary, I'm just commenting on what it revealed from the mouths of people there at the time. Not really sure why I'm defending to people who haven't watched it. It was actually you who encouraged me to give Bowie more of a chance, which is another reason that influenced me to give it a watch. |
I listed other people who changed personal (the McCartney joke passed over you) because those band members left on the scrap heap often speak about their treatment with resentment. Ask Lucan what Rick Buckler said to him about Weller.
Some members of the Spiders ended up on the dole because their services were no longer required not because they weren’t paid.
That’s why I listed other artists who have dispensed with their band mates. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:42 - Apr 17 with 1524 views | Herbivore |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:38 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Without having to watch the whole documentary, which one of the Spiders made the claim?
Ronson and Bolder departed some time ago so I can only presume it was Woody Woodmansey who was the only Spider left alive in 2017.
Did he say that he didn’t get paid by Bowie, which lead to a period on the dole? Because as I understand it Woody’s beef was that as Bowie got bigger and brought in more musicians like Mike Garson, the pianist, these new musicians were paid three times as much as the Spiders and Woodmansey went to DeFries to get a pay rise.
As a I said, a DeFries paid the band, not Bowie and If memory serves DeFries told Woodmansy that he’d rather give the roadies a pay rise than him.
DeFries was a c**t and Bowie was still paying him royalties in the 1980’s even though they parted Company in 1975. |
Sorry Glassers, but your opinion doesn't count for much as you've not seen the documentary. The documentary is clearly the definitive source on all things Bowie because Dollers has watched it and it got 8.1 on IMDB. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:42 - Apr 17 with 1523 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:28 - Apr 17 by Herbivore |
So back in the early 70s his backing band claim they didn't get paid (which may not have been Bowie's responsibility according to Glassers) and on that basis you think he can't have been a decent guy? |
Where have I said that? | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:43 - Apr 17 with 1521 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:37 - Apr 17 by Herbivore |
You're hilarious. |
Haha, typical. When backed into a corner you have no answer. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:46 - Apr 17 with 1519 views | Herbivore |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:43 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue |
Haha, typical. When backed into a corner you have no answer. |
Backed into a corner? Oh dear, Dollers. Your reading of what's going on here is not very sound. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:49 - Apr 17 with 1515 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:42 - Apr 17 by Herbivore |
Sorry Glassers, but your opinion doesn't count for much as you've not seen the documentary. The documentary is clearly the definitive source on all things Bowie because Dollers has watched it and it got 8.1 on IMDB. |
The 8.1 on IMDB was classic Dollers. | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:49 - Apr 17 with 1512 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:38 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Without having to watch the whole documentary, which one of the Spiders made the claim?
Ronson and Bolder departed some time ago so I can only presume it was Woody Woodmansey who was the only Spider left alive in 2017.
Did he say that he didn’t get paid by Bowie, which lead to a period on the dole? Because as I understand it Woody’s beef was that as Bowie got bigger and brought in more musicians like Mike Garson, the pianist, these new musicians were paid three times as much as the Spiders and Woodmansey went to DeFries to get a pay rise.
As a I said, a DeFries paid the band, not Bowie and If memory serves DeFries told Woodmansy that he’d rather give the roadies a pay rise than him.
DeFries was a c**t and Bowie was still paying him royalties in the 1980’s even though they parted Company in 1975. |
I can't remember who made the claim. It was old footage as well as new, so could've been now deceased ones. I think Ronson was one. It was more than one anyway.
There was also a lot of feeling that Ronson was more than just a backing musician.
I really see no point in answering your other points. I just commented on what I saw on a documentary, which you haven't watched. Maybe watch it and make your own conclusions based on what you already know? | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:49 - Apr 17 with 1512 views | Radlett_blue |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:39 - Apr 17 by WeWereZombies |
'And you look like a star but you're still on the dole
All the way from Memphis'
Not written or produced by David Bowie but Ian Hunter was associated with him at the time, and many chart topping bands had musicians in them who had to claim unemployment benefit due to managers hanging on to their money and not paying them. Tony Defries managed Mott The Hoople as well as David Bowie, Mick Ronson, Iggy Pop and John Cougar Mellencamp through his MainMan organisation.
'In fact, at the height of his Ziggy fame, Bowie often borrowed money from Defries just to buy groceries. "I slaved and made nothing,"Â Bowie said after dumping Defries in 1975'
From: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/19505/10-ruthless-rock-managers
Dare I suggest that managers like DeFreis and Colonel Tom Parker were the precursors of Thatcherism and maybe later on the 'gig' economy? |
No, they were smart but shifty businessmen who saw an opportunity to get rich out of unworldly musicians. Been going on since the 1960s. Bung the band members some pocket money & eventually the tax man comes calling & the guys have no assets left to meet their tax bills. See also boxing. |  |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:51 - Apr 17 with 1506 views | WeWereZombies |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:49 - Apr 17 by Radlett_blue |
No, they were smart but shifty businessmen who saw an opportunity to get rich out of unworldly musicians. Been going on since the 1960s. Bung the band members some pocket money & eventually the tax man comes calling & the guys have no assets left to meet their tax bills. See also boxing. |
You spelt 'Yes' wrong at the start of that first sentence... | |
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| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:56 - Apr 17 with 1490 views | WeWereZombies |
| Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:49 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue |
I can't remember who made the claim. It was old footage as well as new, so could've been now deceased ones. I think Ronson was one. It was more than one anyway.
There was also a lot of feeling that Ronson was more than just a backing musician.
I really see no point in answering your other points. I just commented on what I saw on a documentary, which you haven't watched. Maybe watch it and make your own conclusions based on what you already know? |
Did the documentary show Tony Defries as the executive producer? | |
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