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Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:49 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue
I can't remember who made the claim. It was old footage as well as new, so could've been now deceased ones. I think Ronson was one. It was more than one anyway.
There was also a lot of feeling that Ronson was more than just a backing musician.
I really see no point in answering your other points. I just commented on what I saw on a documentary, which you haven't watched. Maybe watch it and make your own conclusions based on what you already know?
Yes Ronno was a fantastic arranger as well as guitarist.
Bowie has always picked his guitarists and collaborators well, from Ronno through Carlos Alomar, Earl Slick, Robert Fripp and Nile Rodgers.
And I’ve never heard any of them say they haven’t been paid. Nit being given the credit they were due? Absolutely. Bowie was very much a self promoter.
I think you’ve mistaken somebody saying they felt that they were underpaid rather than not paid. And as I said, that would have been down to FeFries and Mainman.
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 12:42 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue
Yes Ronno was a fantastic arranger as well as guitarist.
Bowie has always picked his guitarists and collaborators well, from Ronno through Carlos Alomar, Earl Slick, Robert Fripp and Nile Rodgers.
And I’ve never heard any of them say they haven’t been paid. Nit being given the credit they were due? Absolutely. Bowie was very much a self promoter.
I think you’ve mistaken somebody saying they felt that they were underpaid rather than not paid. And as I said, that would have been down to FeFries and Mainman.
I guess Woodmansey & Bolder were understandably miffed at being dumped by Bowie after recording a few albums & touring with him, but with little money. However, I don't think Bowie himself had much money at that time, thanks to Tony Defries.
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:42 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue
I listed other people who changed personal (the McCartney joke passed over you) because those band members left on the scrap heap often speak about their treatment with resentment. Ask Lucan what Rick Buckler said to him about Weller.
Some members of the Spiders ended up on the dole because their services were no longer required not because they weren’t paid.
That’s why I listed other artists who have dispensed with their band mates.
yeah, but I've said that wasn't the case here.
I also said they also spoke fondly of him on other occasions.
You're talking about a documentary you haven't watched.
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 09:42 - Apr 17 by Herbivore
Sorry Glassers, but your opinion doesn't count for much as you've not seen the documentary. The documentary is clearly the definitive source on all things Bowie because Dollers has watched it and it got 8.1 on IMDB.
Again, you're putting words in my mouth. I haven't said Glassers' opinion doesn't count.
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 12:42 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue
Yes Ronno was a fantastic arranger as well as guitarist.
Bowie has always picked his guitarists and collaborators well, from Ronno through Carlos Alomar, Earl Slick, Robert Fripp and Nile Rodgers.
And I’ve never heard any of them say they haven’t been paid. Nit being given the credit they were due? Absolutely. Bowie was very much a self promoter.
I think you’ve mistaken somebody saying they felt that they were underpaid rather than not paid. And as I said, that would have been down to FeFries and Mainman.
Still can't believe you're advising me on a documentary I've watched and you haven't!
Whether it was down to DeFries or not, there was definitely some resentment with Bowie over unpaid monies. You might be right on the underpaid rather than not paid bit.
But anyway, there's lots of documentaries out there on Bowie, maybe I'll try a few more.
EDIT: Just to add, I also watched the documentary The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds (Classic Album) the same night. Another excellent music documentary, for anyone who likes that sort of thing. On Amazon Prime. Brian Wilson really was a genius.
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 15:57 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue
Still can't believe you're advising me on a documentary I've watched and you haven't!
Whether it was down to DeFries or not, there was definitely some resentment with Bowie over unpaid monies. You might be right on the underpaid rather than not paid bit.
But anyway, there's lots of documentaries out there on Bowie, maybe I'll try a few more.
EDIT: Just to add, I also watched the documentary The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds (Classic Album) the same night. Another excellent music documentary, for anyone who likes that sort of thing. On Amazon Prime. Brian Wilson really was a genius.
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I could tell you what is in 99.99999999999% of that documentary without seeing it. I was a Bowie anoraks for years.
I doubt there is a piece of music that Bowie has released that I don’t have. If he recorded himself having a w@nk then I will have a copy of it somewhere.
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 16:27 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue
I could tell you what is in 99.99999999999% of that documentary without seeing it. I was a Bowie anoraks for years.
I doubt there is a piece of music that Bowie has released that I don’t have. If he recorded himself having a w@nk then I will have a copy of it somewhere.
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 16:27 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue
I could tell you what is in 99.99999999999% of that documentary without seeing it. I was a Bowie anoraks for years.
I doubt there is a piece of music that Bowie has released that I don’t have. If he recorded himself having a w@nk then I will have a copy of it somewhere.
I shall endeavour to listen to more. He was certainly an interesting individual, of that there is no doubt.
Interesting to note also that during these discussion none of you have disputed the influence drugs had to his music?
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 17:10 - Apr 17 by Herbivore
Bowie's music was influenced by his drug use?!
I'm sure you think you're being very clever, but I never knew about his drug problems until seeing this documentary and reading a few other bits. Much of his stuff was released before I was born or when I was very young. I haven't really paid that much interest since, either.
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 17:28 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue
I'm sure you think you're being very clever, but I never knew about his drug problems until seeing this documentary and reading a few other bits. Much of his stuff was released before I was born or when I was very young. I haven't really paid that much interest since, either.
You didn't suspect that the writer of The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars may have had drug issues?
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Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 17:31 - Apr 17 by footers
You didn't suspect that the writer of The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars may have had drug issues?
Given I've never even listened to the album, I had no thoughts about it one way or the other. And believe it or not, some people are able to be creative without the use of drugs.
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 18:39 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue
Other than Station to Station and Young Americans, drugs didn't play a major part in his music making.
This is his coke period btw.
Drugs were all over Ziggy, surely?
I've had a listen to some other stuff. I really like Warszawa, but I guess that's mostly Eno? I also really like Lazarus, which popped up on Spotify, and I didn't realise it was written while he was dying.
Artists / Bands that are obviously / probably good but you can't get into them on 21:41 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue
Drugs were all over Ziggy, surely?
I've had a listen to some other stuff. I really like Warszawa, but I guess that's mostly Eno? I also really like Lazarus, which popped up on Spotify, and I didn't realise it was written while he was dying.
I would say that drugs were all over everything Bowie ever did
Either that or he was even more of a genius than I thought.
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