| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:40 - May 15 with 743 views | giant_stow |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:38 - May 15 by SpruceMoose |
I should clarify, they are indeed considered glorified babysitters, but they should not be and it is an insult to them that society views them that way. It wasn't until I spent a lot of time around teachers that I truly appreciated how there were so many terrible parents out there, so you're right, many are better looked after by their teacher than their own relatives.
Your last point is spot on. An example - the schools in NYC were kept open until the very last minute because there are around 750,000 kids who are considered to be living in poverty in the school system, and over 100,000 of those are considered to be homeless, technically or otherwise.
If their schools isn't open, a large number of these kids will not eat that day, or receive medical care. I appreciate that the situation is probably less severe in large parts of the UK, but still, it shouldn't be a teacher's responsibility to carry the weight of those social and economical inequalities. |
agreed (and shocked at that 100 thousand stat) |  |
|  |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:42 - May 15 with 740 views | SpruceMoose |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:40 - May 15 by giant_stow |
agreed (and shocked at that 100 thousand stat) |
Now I'm doubting it...
I'll find something to back that up.
Edit - It's actually 114,000 children.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/brooklyn/news/2019/10/29/one-in-10-nyc-public-school-stu [Post edited 15 May 2020 14:43]
|  |
| Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
| |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:44 - May 15 with 736 views | jeera |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:03 - May 15 by SpruceMoose |
I see what you're getting at matey, but a photo of any of those kids standing by their parent's coffin would be much sadder to me, and likely to cause them much deeper and longer term psychological impact. |
Oh I'm not getting at anything, trust me.
I don't think schools should even be opening until the situation is far clearer.
Parents yes, and kids are showing all sorts of symptoms too.
As I was just saying, it's a concern for everyone, or should be:
Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' by jeera 15 May 2020 13:54We can't command it to go away though.
The other option is to allow them to mix.
I'm not a parent but just the thought of one of those little kiddies on a ventilator makes me shiver.
It's early as far as studies go and the more I see about the kawasaki type symptoms in some children the more it's apparent scientists still have a long way to go to understanding.
It wasn't long ago we were all accepting that kids were practically immune to consequences.
[Post edited 15 May 2020 14:47]
|  |
| |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:49 - May 15 with 729 views | SpruceMoose |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:44 - May 15 by jeera |
Oh I'm not getting at anything, trust me.
I don't think schools should even be opening until the situation is far clearer.
Parents yes, and kids are showing all sorts of symptoms too.
As I was just saying, it's a concern for everyone, or should be:
Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' by jeera 15 May 2020 13:54We can't command it to go away though.
The other option is to allow them to mix.
I'm not a parent but just the thought of one of those little kiddies on a ventilator makes me shiver.
It's early as far as studies go and the more I see about the kawasaki type symptoms in some children the more it's apparent scientists still have a long way to go to understanding.
It wasn't long ago we were all accepting that kids were practically immune to consequences.
[Post edited 15 May 2020 14:47]
|
As I said earlier, I have no idea what the correct path out of this should be. But I'm fairly confident in how it will go.
The UK (and the US) will be dragged out of this by the poorest and those most ill equipped to push back, sacrificed via kneejerk plans, callous politicians in government and cheered on by the type of people who are desperate for the stock market to rise. | |
| Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
| |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:51 - May 15 with 721 views | CBBlue |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:08 - May 15 by giant_stow |
Sounds like your mrs has a horrible situation to handle.
What would you suggest as a way forward on getting socially disadvantaged kids back to school asap? |
I see the point the trust head is making about the disadvantaged kids being affected more with the schools being closed BUT going back will be optional (we've just had a letter from my child's school saying it's our choice and no fines will be issued). Having worked in the education system I have my doubts that those most in need will necessarily go back, where the parent(s) are struggling to function due to substance abuse or have zero asperations are they going to bother getting up at 7am to get the kids ready for school when previously the threat of a fine was the only thing making them. Currently those 'vunerable' children who should be going in generally are not - think the figures are only 10% - so no idea why they think anything is going to change. As someone said on here at the end of the day it's being done so parents don't have an excuse not to return to work. |  |
| |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 15:04 - May 15 with 700 views | sotd78 |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 11:18 - May 15 by giant_stow |
Fair enough mr - none of our present choices are easy and risk management on daya to day micro levels is the new normal for us all.
Its a weird one as on one hand he's the big bad corporate academy boss, but on the other, I think he does seem to genuinely be worrying about how this is affecting poorer people stuck in cramped conditions with little access to tech.
I guess what he's saying comes down to this: should teachers be thinking of themselves as akin to nurses right now and be placing themselves at risk for the greater good.
From me, that's a bit rich, but from him, maybe not. |
Steve Chalke is a Baptist Minister, Christian activist. He's about as far from a big, bad, corporate academy boss as you could get. 45% of the Oasis kids are in receipt of free school meals and are considered a lot of them to be very disadvantaged. His argument is for the damage being done to the kids.
Meantime of course, we are asking a lot of teachers and support staff to enter into an environment that the rest of us have been told to do our best to avoid. It's a conundrum. |  |
| Blue shirts/white shorts - sotd78 |
| |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 15:05 - May 15 with 699 views | Ely_Blue |
Bus drivers have died of it too, doesn’t mean that they caught it whilst at work though!
How do you propose getting people back to work? |  |
| |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 15:07 - May 15 with 695 views | SpruceMoose |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 15:05 - May 15 by Ely_Blue |
Bus drivers have died of it too, doesn’t mean that they caught it whilst at work though!
How do you propose getting people back to work? |
You could drive us? | |
| Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 18:23 - May 15 with 657 views | jeera |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 15:05 - May 15 by Ely_Blue |
Bus drivers have died of it too, doesn’t mean that they caught it whilst at work though!
How do you propose getting people back to work? |
I don't think it's too outrageous to recognise that coming into contact with loads of people a week enhances your chances of catching something considerably. | |
| |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 18:24 - May 15 with 653 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
A few thoughts, largely already covered by Mullet's excellent post.
I am a year 5/6 teacher at a primary school in Cambridgeshire. I've worked on rotation to provide schooling for children on key workers, the vast majority of which are children not in my class. This is fine and I am happy to do my bit.
A colleague has now tested positive this week after a child started back at school and then displayed symptoms. Again, this is accepted as a risk that we have taken to provide for families who need to be at work. This teacher is mid 50s and is trying not to show how terrified she is.
As a teacher of year 6, I agree that children finishing their primary education need 'closure' for want of a better word and I have spoken on here before that I sincerely hope that they will be able to come in for a couple of weeks at least to try to help best prepare them for secondary school. It is important for their well-being. I don't think this necessarily needs to be from 1st June but if needs must, I appreciate the positive impact this will have on them and I am more than happy to make it happen. People talk about putting kids into bubbles with designated members of staff - if we are doing it for the children, they want to be with their teachers. Year 1s don't want to be babysat by me and my year 6s don't want another adult to try and get their heads around the fact that they've lost their final year of a school they love.
What I am not accepting is putting our health (plus the health of children who already need to be in school) at risk for political reasoning. If it doesn't directly affect the children’s wellbeing, it should not be happening. I'm not putting my health (and therefore my fiancee who is a nurse at addenbrookes) at risk to babysit kids who don't need to be there.
I have been in school today looking at how logistically we can accommodate our (small) group of year 6s in a classroom. It can barely happen and these are children who are able to distance themselves and appreciate the necessities of the situation. It is an impossible task in year 1 and reception - and we are a mixed age school so only half of a class of children will be back.
As said above, the mail headline was horrendous and disgusting. Please don't be taken in by it - we are working with unions.
I haven't read this back so it may be largely jumbled rubbish and discounted. If so, just go back and read Mullet's post again. And again. Until it sinks in. [Post edited 15 May 2020 18:28]
|  | | |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 18:27 - May 15 with 653 views | Leaky |
Strange that most countries in Europe seem to be happy sending their kids back to school. I assume Europe's teachers are happy to go back also. Are teachers Unions making a political point. All we have to do is look at Europe, take on board the good points & ignore the bad, as most countries are two weeks ahead of us in this pandemic. |  | | |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 18:43 - May 15 with 634 views | jeera |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 18:27 - May 15 by Leaky |
Strange that most countries in Europe seem to be happy sending their kids back to school. I assume Europe's teachers are happy to go back also. Are teachers Unions making a political point. All we have to do is look at Europe, take on board the good points & ignore the bad, as most countries are two weeks ahead of us in this pandemic. |
Don't you think it's more important to carefully consider our own current situation, specific to us, rather than worry about that? | |
| |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 19:06 - May 15 with 622 views | Pablokuqi |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 15:05 - May 15 by Ely_Blue |
Bus drivers have died of it too, doesn’t mean that they caught it whilst at work though!
How do you propose getting people back to work? |
So you are saying schools should open to allow people to get back to work?
And there is exactly the reluctance. As it would appear there has not been any evidence provided that it is currently safer to return but simply the need to restart the economy. It was the economic reasons why schools and society were not shut down soon enough. The furlough scheme has been extended to the end of July at its current rate. The 1st June has been selected just because it is after half term. The reason year 6 has been chosen is because of transition work, transition work that the secondary schools are have said won't take place. Year 5 should be more of a priority has they will have SATs next year. If the government had gone with year 5 and year 6 they would have had more credibility than R and Yr1.
Teachers want to go back to school but they also want to see their mums and dads, nephew, nieces, grandchildren etc. Can you see why people think it is strange that you can be in a room with 15 5 year olds from different households but not see your own grandchild?
When it is safe enough to see family then it is safe enough for schools to go back. | | | |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 19:27 - May 15 with 597 views | SpruceMoose |
Yeah but what do they know? | |
| Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
| |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 19:41 - May 15 with 587 views | Dubtractor |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 19:27 - May 15 by SpruceMoose |
Yeah but what do they know? |
Why won't teachers be heroes like our brave nurses, nurses who we've largely demonised through anti immigration rhetoric in the last few years, and whom we'll soon forget when things return to normal?
Boo, bad teachers! |  |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
