| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 11:50 - May 15 with 864 views | Darth_Koont |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 11:44 - May 15 by m14_blue |
Food shops being open is not a choice though, there isn’t any alternative.
I lean towards reopening schools being the right thing to do but any attempt to demonise teachers (not by you) or compare them unfavourably to other professions is disgraceful.
They have perfectly legitimate concerns and have, unsurprisingly, received very little practical help or support from the government. |
I agree with that. There needs to be a clearer understanding of what is happening and why. Plus a risk assessment and the measures that can be taken to reduce any risk.
By the sound of it, none of that's being communicated to your wife and other teachers. Just seems chaotic and very callous pushing that onto individuals. |  |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 11:55 - May 15 with 858 views | leitrimblue |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 11:01 - May 15 by giant_stow |
I think the guy is worrying that the most vulnerable families and kids are already suffering and beyond being at risk...
I'm not sure I agree with him fully, but he does have a point that people with more are better able to copw with lockdown.
Edi: I managed to type the same paragraph twice (I should lay off the happy herb) [Post edited 15 May 2020 11:06]
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If you lay off the herb won't that extra thumb grow back? |  | | |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:00 - May 15 with 849 views | Ely_Blue |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 11:44 - May 15 by m14_blue |
Food shops being open is not a choice though, there isn’t any alternative.
I lean towards reopening schools being the right thing to do but any attempt to demonise teachers (not by you) or compare them unfavourably to other professions is disgraceful.
They have perfectly legitimate concerns and have, unsurprisingly, received very little practical help or support from the government. |
Kids going back to school is a key part of allowing most normal people who aren’t key workers to be allowed to return to work |  |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:08 - May 15 with 838 views | giant_stow |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 11:55 - May 15 by leitrimblue |
If you lay off the herb won't that extra thumb grow back? |
Is that how it works?! Oh my, keep on puffing. |  |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:13 - May 15 with 824 views | leitrimblue |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:08 - May 15 by giant_stow |
Is that how it works?! Oh my, keep on puffing. |
I'm no medical expert, but I wouldn't risk it | | | |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:13 - May 15 with 824 views | giant_stow |
One other thought: Could schools be reopenned with a mix of volunteer teachers to do the expert stuff and volunteer (DBS checked) parents to do crowd control / grunt stuff?
Don;t know how possible that is... | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:14 - May 15 with 819 views | giant_stow |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:13 - May 15 by leitrimblue |
I'm no medical expert, but I wouldn't risk it |
You've always struck me as the wise sort, so I'll go with your advice. | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:16 - May 15 with 814 views | m14_blue |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:00 - May 15 by Ely_Blue |
Kids going back to school is a key part of allowing most normal people who aren’t key workers to be allowed to return to work |
Obviously. |  | | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:18 - May 15 with 805 views | Ely_Blue |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:16 - May 15 by m14_blue |
Obviously. |
But some would have you that whilst it’s ok for supermarket staff to work etc that teachers shouldn’t go back and their little darlings shouldn’t go back to school even if they are in the lowest risk groups in society | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:22 - May 15 with 799 views | Mullet |
I appreciate I am probably becoming boring with my take on this and apologise for hammering the issue. But the article from the BBC had the headline changed and much of the content now (I wish I'd screenshotted it). The original early this morning lead with his quote, then had a sensible paragraph that was tainted by it etc. I can only assume they've bowed to several complaints.
The front of the Daily Mail is absolutely scandalous too and has a direct lie in it about unions acting against teachers' wishes and not engaging in what they euphemistically call "a common cause" from the safety of WFH behind their desks.
The Oasis academy chain operate all around my school. In areas of abject poverty in many cases. The allusion that we teachers don't understand the impact of poverty on the kids we teach is astounding, I hope he is disciplined if he does not get to clarify that he is talking about specific people, airing views he has heard.
What he says about the negative effects is entirely accurate, but that reflects on the nation prior to COVID-19 and what has been allowed to happen under austerity, and the social regressions which mean so many children suffer.
There is no evidence other than anecdotal evidence to suggest any teacher, let alone all of us are sat at home with our feet up etc. But this keeps being pushed as a media narrative and needs to be challenged. Ironically in places where people are sat arguing about it whilst on furlough/WFH.
Given the stereotypes around middle class parents being pushy/engaged with education this seems a rather messy and combative statement to make. If there is mounting evidence people aren't concerned about safety it should be easy to prove surely? |  |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:27 - May 15 with 786 views | giant_stow |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:22 - May 15 by Mullet |
I appreciate I am probably becoming boring with my take on this and apologise for hammering the issue. But the article from the BBC had the headline changed and much of the content now (I wish I'd screenshotted it). The original early this morning lead with his quote, then had a sensible paragraph that was tainted by it etc. I can only assume they've bowed to several complaints.
The front of the Daily Mail is absolutely scandalous too and has a direct lie in it about unions acting against teachers' wishes and not engaging in what they euphemistically call "a common cause" from the safety of WFH behind their desks.
The Oasis academy chain operate all around my school. In areas of abject poverty in many cases. The allusion that we teachers don't understand the impact of poverty on the kids we teach is astounding, I hope he is disciplined if he does not get to clarify that he is talking about specific people, airing views he has heard.
What he says about the negative effects is entirely accurate, but that reflects on the nation prior to COVID-19 and what has been allowed to happen under austerity, and the social regressions which mean so many children suffer.
There is no evidence other than anecdotal evidence to suggest any teacher, let alone all of us are sat at home with our feet up etc. But this keeps being pushed as a media narrative and needs to be challenged. Ironically in places where people are sat arguing about it whilst on furlough/WFH.
Given the stereotypes around middle class parents being pushy/engaged with education this seems a rather messy and combative statement to make. If there is mounting evidence people aren't concerned about safety it should be easy to prove surely? |
Thanks for your thoughts mr. Interesting that thwe article's caused a stir and been changed. | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:46 - May 15 with 770 views | BlueBadger |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 11:22 - May 15 by Chutney |
I have a great deal of sympathy for Teachers, many of whom will be concerned for their welfare and that of their pupils. How do you begin to enforce social distancing to a room of 6 year olds?
A lot of schools and demonstrated great agility to start teaching remotely and given the children some good resources. I don't think it compares to full time, face to face teaching but its better than nothing. I don't know why the government doesn't just confirm no schools reopening until September and be done with it. It will at least allow schools and families to plan appropriately. The uncertainty is more damaging. |
I suspect it's part if the wider strategy of 'herd immunity by backdoor' for force people back into to wrk by saying 'you've got no excuse, schools are open'. |  |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 13:31 - May 15 with 733 views | jeera |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 11:45 - May 15 by giant_stow |
Yeah that image wsa tough |
That's the saddest image I've seen:
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 13:50 - May 15 with 722 views | bluelagos |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 13:31 - May 15 by jeera |
That's the saddest image I've seen:
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I know I keep banging on along a similar theme, but the social impacts of the virus, of lockdown and of social distancing are incredibly damaging.
No easy answers sadly. |  |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 13:54 - May 15 with 719 views | jeera |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 13:50 - May 15 by bluelagos |
I know I keep banging on along a similar theme, but the social impacts of the virus, of lockdown and of social distancing are incredibly damaging.
No easy answers sadly. |
We can't command it to go away though.
The other option is to allow them to mix.
I'm not a parent but just the thought of one of those little kiddies on a ventilator makes me shiver.
It's early as far as studies go and the more I see about the kawasaki type symptoms in some children the more it's apparent scientists still have a long way to go to understanding.
It wasn't long ago we were all accepting that kids were practically immune to consequences. [Post edited 15 May 2020 13:54]
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 13:58 - May 15 with 708 views | SpruceMoose |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 11:18 - May 15 by giant_stow |
Fair enough mr - none of our present choices are easy and risk management on daya to day micro levels is the new normal for us all.
Its a weird one as on one hand he's the big bad corporate academy boss, but on the other, I think he does seem to genuinely be worrying about how this is affecting poorer people stuck in cramped conditions with little access to tech.
I guess what he's saying comes down to this: should teachers be thinking of themselves as akin to nurses right now and be placing themselves at risk for the greater good.
From me, that's a bit rich, but from him, maybe not. |
"I guess what he's saying comes down to this: should teachers be thinking of themselves as akin to nurses right now and be placing themselves at risk for the greater good."
Funny how this 'greater good' only ever goes one way. Nobody gave a crap about these so called 'essential' people before all this kicked off, and as soon as it eases people will go back to not giving a crap about them.
As someone who is married to a teacher with an auto immune condition, I've had years of listening to people bitch and moan about teachers from their six week holidays to how they indoctrinate kids with lefty biases. Teachers are chronically underpaid and under respected the same as all these so called 'essential' workers, and quite often teachers are literally the only positive and nourishing influence in the lives of many children.
So to this bozo, in the words of Benters, I happily say 'poke it'. |  |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:03 - May 15 with 701 views | SpruceMoose |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 13:31 - May 15 by jeera |
That's the saddest image I've seen:
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I see what you're getting at matey, but a photo of any of those kids standing by their parent's coffin would be much sadder to me, and likely to cause them much deeper and longer term psychological impact. | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:07 - May 15 with 691 views | SpruceMoose |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 12:00 - May 15 by Ely_Blue |
Kids going back to school is a key part of allowing most normal people who aren’t key workers to be allowed to return to work |
That's not the responsibility or the burden of the teaching professional to carry though. | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:08 - May 15 with 689 views | giant_stow |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 13:58 - May 15 by SpruceMoose |
"I guess what he's saying comes down to this: should teachers be thinking of themselves as akin to nurses right now and be placing themselves at risk for the greater good."
Funny how this 'greater good' only ever goes one way. Nobody gave a crap about these so called 'essential' people before all this kicked off, and as soon as it eases people will go back to not giving a crap about them.
As someone who is married to a teacher with an auto immune condition, I've had years of listening to people bitch and moan about teachers from their six week holidays to how they indoctrinate kids with lefty biases. Teachers are chronically underpaid and under respected the same as all these so called 'essential' workers, and quite often teachers are literally the only positive and nourishing influence in the lives of many children.
So to this bozo, in the words of Benters, I happily say 'poke it'. |
Sounds like your mrs has a horrible situation to handle.
What would you suggest as a way forward on getting socially disadvantaged kids back to school asap? | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:12 - May 15 with 679 views | SpruceMoose |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:08 - May 15 by giant_stow |
Sounds like your mrs has a horrible situation to handle.
What would you suggest as a way forward on getting socially disadvantaged kids back to school asap? |
Quite frankly I have no idea, obviously I'm invested in the situation so in truth am probably not the best person to say. I imagine some teachers would be happier to return than others. The answer you'd get from the 60+ year old teachers, the teachers with conditions that place them at higher risk, the teachers living with people who are at a higher risk and the young teachers with no health conditions would all be different.
Teachers however, are not glorified babysitters, and shouldn't be expected to put themselves at risk as a result of the kind of unthoughtthrough, kneejerk reaction this government specialises in. | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:27 - May 15 with 667 views | giant_stow |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:12 - May 15 by SpruceMoose |
Quite frankly I have no idea, obviously I'm invested in the situation so in truth am probably not the best person to say. I imagine some teachers would be happier to return than others. The answer you'd get from the 60+ year old teachers, the teachers with conditions that place them at higher risk, the teachers living with people who are at a higher risk and the young teachers with no health conditions would all be different.
Teachers however, are not glorified babysitters, and shouldn't be expected to put themselves at risk as a result of the kind of unthoughtthrough, kneejerk reaction this government specialises in. |
Yeah absolutely agree on the working conditions teachers return to.
Disagree about the glorified babysitters - they really are just that in reality, rightly or wrongly. And in many cases, kids will be better looked after at school than home. It shouldn't be that way, but no point hiding from reality. | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:31 - May 15 with 664 views | Darth_Koont |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:27 - May 15 by giant_stow |
Yeah absolutely agree on the working conditions teachers return to.
Disagree about the glorified babysitters - they really are just that in reality, rightly or wrongly. And in many cases, kids will be better looked after at school than home. It shouldn't be that way, but no point hiding from reality. |
Oh ullaa. I get the feeling you were homeschooled by a babysitter.
Whether teachers are treated as babysitters by successive governments and too many ignorant parents, they're predominantly trained professionals who teach and develop children. Often against the odds. That's the actual reality. | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:38 - May 15 with 650 views | SpruceMoose |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:27 - May 15 by giant_stow |
Yeah absolutely agree on the working conditions teachers return to.
Disagree about the glorified babysitters - they really are just that in reality, rightly or wrongly. And in many cases, kids will be better looked after at school than home. It shouldn't be that way, but no point hiding from reality. |
I should clarify, they are indeed considered glorified babysitters, but they should not be and it is an insult to them that society views them that way. It wasn't until I spent a lot of time around teachers that I truly appreciated how there were so many terrible parents out there, so you're right, many are better looked after by their teacher than their own relatives.
Your last point is spot on. An example - the schools in NYC were kept open until the very last minute because there are around 750,000 kids who are considered to be living in poverty in the school system, and over 100,000 of those are considered to be homeless, technically or otherwise.
If their schools isn't open, a large number of these kids will not eat that day, or receive medical care. I appreciate that the situation is probably less severe in large parts of the UK, but still, it shouldn't be a teacher's responsibility to carry the weight of those social and economical inequalities. | |
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| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:39 - May 15 with 649 views | giant_stow |
| Opposition to schools reopening is 'rather middle class' on 14:31 - May 15 by Darth_Koont |
Oh ullaa. I get the feeling you were homeschooled by a babysitter.
Whether teachers are treated as babysitters by successive governments and too many ignorant parents, they're predominantly trained professionals who teach and develop children. Often against the odds. That's the actual reality. |
Thanks Darth.
I don't think we get anywhere in this dicussion by ignoring obvious realities.
Of bludy course teachers are trained professionals (Mrs ullaa is freelance music teacher in school, my sister in sort of law is qualified primary school teacher, my best mate's wife is a qualified secondary school teacher) so I'm well aware that.
All I'm doing is advocating for / speaking from the standpoint of disadvantaged kids that have less than yours or mine. | |
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