| Golf 09:20 - Jun 24 with 5881 views | homer_123 |
A good walk ruined or a challenging and sometimes rewarding outdoor pastime.
Anyone else have a love/hate relationship with said game? |  |
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| Golf on 16:28 - Jun 24 with 2099 views | bluelagos |
There's the hitting the ball round the course bit - which some people enjoy. Not for me, but we all have our own interests.
Then there is the bollox that goes with it. The snobbery that pervades some clubs is embarrassing in this day and age. Couple of mates have artisans membership at a club in SW London. One made the final of a comp and I was invited to go and support him - which I did and he won.
So made my way to the clubhouse for a beer only to be told that he was not a "full member" and so we had a drink in the Artisans clubhouse. A portacabin in the car park.
We also had to park separately from the main car park.
I also recall a mate and wife who were club captains - and they couldn't play together. Women were banned from Sat mornings too at that club.
Lastly - caddied for a mate once and was asked to leave - as trainers on a green is apparently not done.
Sure as a sport it is getting better - but it is not a sport I think I would enjoy judging by my brief encounters. |  |
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| Golf on 16:32 - Jun 24 with 2090 views | Ryorry |
| Golf on 16:28 - Jun 24 by bluelagos |
There's the hitting the ball round the course bit - which some people enjoy. Not for me, but we all have our own interests.
Then there is the bollox that goes with it. The snobbery that pervades some clubs is embarrassing in this day and age. Couple of mates have artisans membership at a club in SW London. One made the final of a comp and I was invited to go and support him - which I did and he won.
So made my way to the clubhouse for a beer only to be told that he was not a "full member" and so we had a drink in the Artisans clubhouse. A portacabin in the car park.
We also had to park separately from the main car park.
I also recall a mate and wife who were club captains - and they couldn't play together. Women were banned from Sat mornings too at that club.
Lastly - caddied for a mate once and was asked to leave - as trainers on a green is apparently not done.
Sure as a sport it is getting better - but it is not a sport I think I would enjoy judging by my brief encounters. |
Were the two clubs you mention run by Jacob Rees-Smug then? |  |
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| Golf on 16:32 - Jun 24 with 2089 views | Ryorry |
| Golf on 16:28 - Jun 24 by bluelagos |
There's the hitting the ball round the course bit - which some people enjoy. Not for me, but we all have our own interests.
Then there is the bollox that goes with it. The snobbery that pervades some clubs is embarrassing in this day and age. Couple of mates have artisans membership at a club in SW London. One made the final of a comp and I was invited to go and support him - which I did and he won.
So made my way to the clubhouse for a beer only to be told that he was not a "full member" and so we had a drink in the Artisans clubhouse. A portacabin in the car park.
We also had to park separately from the main car park.
I also recall a mate and wife who were club captains - and they couldn't play together. Women were banned from Sat mornings too at that club.
Lastly - caddied for a mate once and was asked to leave - as trainers on a green is apparently not done.
Sure as a sport it is getting better - but it is not a sport I think I would enjoy judging by my brief encounters. |
Edit - duplicate post [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 16:34]
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| Golf on 07:53 - Jun 25 with 1986 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Golf on 14:57 - Jun 24 by Herbivore |
Yeah golf is definitely in the bracket with snooker and darts as a game. When walking is considered one of the key physical attributes required to play I'm just not sure you can argue it requires professional levels of fitness. I mean, I remember Tom Watson coming within a shot of winning a Major when he was nearly 60 and he carried on making the cut in Majors into his 60s. Imagine getting a 60 year old Gary Lineker to play up front for England.
People always get quite sniffy about golf not really being a sport and I don't really understand why. Lots of things that aren't sports are still worthwhile. Golf for me will always be a passtime or a game. |
I find it more strange when people feel they must undermine a sport as not being a sport. Why bother? Like if they aren't't very good at something it can't be a sport. Or for some reason a sport can only be a sport when matched against the athletic endevour of football. It's not people getting sniffy, it's just people understanding the definition of a sport.
Also walking is not a key physical attribute of golf. It's the load that a proper golf puts through their body in a good golf shot. It's very physical.
I love that you draw down on one example which is ammusing because it is so memorable exactly for the reason it was exceptional and freakish.
There are still footballers playing professional football in their 50s. There is A japanese player still in the top div and a few goalkeepers. Exceptions! BTW are goalkeepers actually playing a sport by your terms or are they just involed in a pastime.
Also can you tell people still doing ironman runs in their 50/60s and posting good times that they are no longer competing in a sport because they are able to do it when they are old. Good chunk of pro triathletes are in their 40s. Your age argument has nothing to do with a sports definition. [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 8:04]
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| Golf on 08:04 - Jun 25 with 1973 views | jeera |
| Golf on 07:53 - Jun 25 by Terry_Nutkins |
I find it more strange when people feel they must undermine a sport as not being a sport. Why bother? Like if they aren't't very good at something it can't be a sport. Or for some reason a sport can only be a sport when matched against the athletic endevour of football. It's not people getting sniffy, it's just people understanding the definition of a sport.
Also walking is not a key physical attribute of golf. It's the load that a proper golf puts through their body in a good golf shot. It's very physical.
I love that you draw down on one example which is ammusing because it is so memorable exactly for the reason it was exceptional and freakish.
There are still footballers playing professional football in their 50s. There is A japanese player still in the top div and a few goalkeepers. Exceptions! BTW are goalkeepers actually playing a sport by your terms or are they just involed in a pastime.
Also can you tell people still doing ironman runs in their 50/60s and posting good times that they are no longer competing in a sport because they are able to do it when they are old. Good chunk of pro triathletes are in their 40s. Your age argument has nothing to do with a sports definition. [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 8:04]
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I'm actually a bit surprised anyone is taking it so seriously.
Do you really care?
And if you want to row about it, we'll have a game of chess sometime.
Unless you're any good, in which case I might retract the offer. |  |
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| Golf on 08:27 - Jun 25 with 1962 views | Herbivore |
| Golf on 07:53 - Jun 25 by Terry_Nutkins |
I find it more strange when people feel they must undermine a sport as not being a sport. Why bother? Like if they aren't't very good at something it can't be a sport. Or for some reason a sport can only be a sport when matched against the athletic endevour of football. It's not people getting sniffy, it's just people understanding the definition of a sport.
Also walking is not a key physical attribute of golf. It's the load that a proper golf puts through their body in a good golf shot. It's very physical.
I love that you draw down on one example which is ammusing because it is so memorable exactly for the reason it was exceptional and freakish.
There are still footballers playing professional football in their 50s. There is A japanese player still in the top div and a few goalkeepers. Exceptions! BTW are goalkeepers actually playing a sport by your terms or are they just involed in a pastime.
Also can you tell people still doing ironman runs in their 50/60s and posting good times that they are no longer competing in a sport because they are able to do it when they are old. Good chunk of pro triathletes are in their 40s. Your age argument has nothing to do with a sports definition. [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 8:04]
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If they aren't good at something then it can't be a sport? I've seen you wittering some right old b0llocks on here over the years, especially your defences of Lambert, but that takes the biscuit. I don't know why you're so defensive on this, maybe you play golf and like to think of yourself as a sportsman and I've rather upset you. If so I apologise, but I am sticking with my view on this thanks. |  |
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| Golf on 08:28 - Jun 25 with 1961 views | Herbivore |
| Golf on 08:04 - Jun 25 by jeera |
I'm actually a bit surprised anyone is taking it so seriously.
Do you really care?
And if you want to row about it, we'll have a game of chess sometime.
Unless you're any good, in which case I might retract the offer. |
You only think chess is a game rather than a sport because you're not very good at it. | |
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| Golf on 10:20 - Jun 25 with 1928 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Golf on 08:04 - Jun 25 by jeera |
I'm actually a bit surprised anyone is taking it so seriously.
Do you really care?
And if you want to row about it, we'll have a game of chess sometime.
Unless you're any good, in which case I might retract the offer. |
i don't play hobby games haha. (i'm terrible at chess you're fine!)
You are right though. It's a silly thing to row about. I think just the snidyness of the post 'why people get so sniffy' landed a bite from me.
I'll climb down haha. (Although i haven't read herbs next post yet). | |
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| Golf on 10:27 - Jun 25 with 1925 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Golf on 08:27 - Jun 25 by Herbivore |
If they aren't good at something then it can't be a sport? I've seen you wittering some right old b0llocks on here over the years, especially your defences of Lambert, but that takes the biscuit. I don't know why you're so defensive on this, maybe you play golf and like to think of yourself as a sportsman and I've rather upset you. If so I apologise, but I am sticking with my view on this thanks. |
i think you misunderstood that bit. You certainly misunderstand my comments on Lambert as well seemingly.
I'm fine for you sticking to your views. Patronising though they are. I do play golf. I also play football, tennis, swim and run. I just don't consider golf any different to the others.
As Jeera said. Silly thing to argue over so each to their own. It seems a similar stupid thing as when people say veggie food isn't real food. | |
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| Golf on 10:36 - Jun 25 with 1903 views | Herbivore |
| Golf on 10:27 - Jun 25 by Terry_Nutkins |
i think you misunderstood that bit. You certainly misunderstand my comments on Lambert as well seemingly.
I'm fine for you sticking to your views. Patronising though they are. I do play golf. I also play football, tennis, swim and run. I just don't consider golf any different to the others.
As Jeera said. Silly thing to argue over so each to their own. It seems a similar stupid thing as when people say veggie food isn't real food. |
I don't get why you find the idea of something not being a sport so upsetting? I enjoy loads of things that aren't sports. Admittedly golf isn't one of them, but each to their own. | |
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| Golf on 10:56 - Jun 25 with 1879 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Golf on 10:36 - Jun 25 by Herbivore |
I don't get why you find the idea of something not being a sport so upsetting? I enjoy loads of things that aren't sports. Admittedly golf isn't one of them, but each to their own. |
I don't find it upsetting. I disagree with you. Why do you find the idea of it being a sport so disagreeable you have to push your view on it not being a sport?
Lets agree to disagree and move on.
I did bite though, reflects badly on me. It was more your patronising, knows best approach. If you were looking for a bite you won. x haha
I think maybe we're both wrong/right actually. Some probably play it a few times a year as a casual knock with no interest in it being competitive or playing it with a physical approach - treat it as more of a pastime.
Some play it competitively, are physically strong/powerful and have developed muscle and power in their swing etc and play/treat it as a sport.
Much like running/cycling can be both... | |
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| Golf on 11:03 - Jun 25 with 1873 views | Herbivore |
| Golf on 10:56 - Jun 25 by Terry_Nutkins |
I don't find it upsetting. I disagree with you. Why do you find the idea of it being a sport so disagreeable you have to push your view on it not being a sport?
Lets agree to disagree and move on.
I did bite though, reflects badly on me. It was more your patronising, knows best approach. If you were looking for a bite you won. x haha
I think maybe we're both wrong/right actually. Some probably play it a few times a year as a casual knock with no interest in it being competitive or playing it with a physical approach - treat it as more of a pastime.
Some play it competitively, are physically strong/powerful and have developed muscle and power in their swing etc and play/treat it as a sport.
Much like running/cycling can be both... |
Even at pro level I see a fair amount of moobage on a golf course. Not sure it's the physical, athletic pursuit you make out even at that level. Sure, some pros are fitness freaks I imagine, but plenty of others have full on dad bod.
Regarding your first paragraph, I'm not pushing the idea that golf isn't a sport anymore forcefully than those pushing the idea that it is. I guess you object to me pushing it at all because you don't agree. That's fine, you've been wrong before so you can draw on that experience here too. | |
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| Golf on 11:47 - Jun 25 with 1851 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Golf on 11:03 - Jun 25 by Herbivore |
Even at pro level I see a fair amount of moobage on a golf course. Not sure it's the physical, athletic pursuit you make out even at that level. Sure, some pros are fitness freaks I imagine, but plenty of others have full on dad bod.
Regarding your first paragraph, I'm not pushing the idea that golf isn't a sport anymore forcefully than those pushing the idea that it is. I guess you object to me pushing it at all because you don't agree. That's fine, you've been wrong before so you can draw on that experience here too. |
Are you totally oblivious to how obnoxious and patronising you sound. Do you get off on just being incredibily self righteous. Your last sentence ha. Well done.
I've been wrong plenty of times. who hasn't? Though i'm sure you are just referring to something else you personally disagree with and now just state it as fact. factually you are not correct in this instance. It literally is a sport and defined as such.
I don't make golf out to be the same physicality as say football. That was pretty clear wasn't it. I actually said that effectively when i said about just because it's not as athletic as football. I've just said it does require some physical ability. And the pros who are athletic have a big advantage. There is very little moobage at pro level so thats a lie. Even someone like Phil Mickelson who maybe one you might mean is incredibly strong. Again its a silly argument. There is 'moobage'in Rugby! Again what is your point. Different sports can require different athletic prowess. They are still sports | |
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| Golf on 12:08 - Jun 25 with 1836 views | Herbivore |
Too easy. | |
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| Golf on 12:24 - Jun 25 with 1815 views | Terry_Nutkins |
Ha. Now that IS true. 😂 | |
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| Golf on 12:27 - Jun 25 with 1813 views | Herbivore |
| Golf on 12:24 - Jun 25 by Terry_Nutkins |
Ha. Now that IS true. 😂 |
I was deliberately yanking your chain with that last comment, apologies for that. Agree to disagree on golf being a sport (it isn't).
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| Golf on 12:43 - Jun 25 with 1797 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Golf on 11:47 - Jun 25 by Terry_Nutkins |
Are you totally oblivious to how obnoxious and patronising you sound. Do you get off on just being incredibily self righteous. Your last sentence ha. Well done.
I've been wrong plenty of times. who hasn't? Though i'm sure you are just referring to something else you personally disagree with and now just state it as fact. factually you are not correct in this instance. It literally is a sport and defined as such.
I don't make golf out to be the same physicality as say football. That was pretty clear wasn't it. I actually said that effectively when i said about just because it's not as athletic as football. I've just said it does require some physical ability. And the pros who are athletic have a big advantage. There is very little moobage at pro level so thats a lie. Even someone like Phil Mickelson who maybe one you might mean is incredibly strong. Again its a silly argument. There is 'moobage'in Rugby! Again what is your point. Different sports can require different athletic prowess. They are still sports |
Why are you persisting with him?
He either knows he is wrong but is too proud to admit it or he is just deliberately on the wind up.
If you look at what the definition of a sport is in the dictionary, golf definitely falls in the category. Hence why sky, the BBC and many others have golf as part of their sports coverage. Just because there isn't as much physical exertion compared to some sports doesn't mean there isn't any.
His argument is lame. Look at boxing for example, plenty of boxers have managed to win world titles in their 40s. Bernard Hopkins won the world light heavyweight at the age of 48 and defended it twice when he was 49! As for moobage, look at the state of George Foreman when he won the world title at the age of 45 lol
Would love to see anyone go up to McIlroy or woods and tell them they are not sportsmen. [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 12:46]
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| Golf on 12:51 - Jun 25 with 1791 views | Herbivore |
| Golf on 12:43 - Jun 25 by Enigma_Blue |
Why are you persisting with him?
He either knows he is wrong but is too proud to admit it or he is just deliberately on the wind up.
If you look at what the definition of a sport is in the dictionary, golf definitely falls in the category. Hence why sky, the BBC and many others have golf as part of their sports coverage. Just because there isn't as much physical exertion compared to some sports doesn't mean there isn't any.
His argument is lame. Look at boxing for example, plenty of boxers have managed to win world titles in their 40s. Bernard Hopkins won the world light heavyweight at the age of 48 and defended it twice when he was 49! As for moobage, look at the state of George Foreman when he won the world title at the age of 45 lol
Would love to see anyone go up to McIlroy or woods and tell them they are not sportsmen. [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 12:46]
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Sky also show darts on their sports channels, do you consider their sports? That's also in the category of being a lame argument. A sport requires physical exertion, to me that means being at least a little bit out of breath in the playing of a sport. Swinging a club every couple of minutes and having a stroll doesn't qualify. Players don't even come close to breaking a sweat, unless it's a hot day. If we're saying golf has enough physical exertion to be considered a sport then so do darts and snooker, imo. | |
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| Golf on 13:02 - Jun 25 with 1779 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Golf on 12:51 - Jun 25 by Herbivore |
Sky also show darts on their sports channels, do you consider their sports? That's also in the category of being a lame argument. A sport requires physical exertion, to me that means being at least a little bit out of breath in the playing of a sport. Swinging a club every couple of minutes and having a stroll doesn't qualify. Players don't even come close to breaking a sweat, unless it's a hot day. If we're saying golf has enough physical exertion to be considered a sport then so do darts and snooker, imo. |
Well maybe they are sports and that's why Sky, the BBC and others have it as part of their sport coverage. Your are the one who is trying to redefine what a sport is just to fit your argument. The true definition doesn't mention anything about breaking into a sweat. [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 13:03]
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| Golf on 13:06 - Jun 25 with 1773 views | Herbivore |
| Golf on 13:02 - Jun 25 by Enigma_Blue |
Well maybe they are sports and that's why Sky, the BBC and others have it as part of their sport coverage. Your are the one who is trying to redefine what a sport is just to fit your argument. The true definition doesn't mention anything about breaking into a sweat. [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 13:03]
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No, it mentions physical exertion. I question whether snooker, darts and golf require very much in the way of physical exertion. Physical movement and physical exertion aren't synonymous, otherwise chess and Monopoly would be sports as well. Snooker, golf and darts don't really require anymore physical exertion than various other day to day activities. That's why I don't consider them sports, and I don't consider them sports based on the definition of sport, not by redefining it. I'm sorry that this bothers you. | |
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| Golf on 13:09 - Jun 25 with 1768 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Golf on 13:02 - Jun 25 by Enigma_Blue |
Well maybe they are sports and that's why Sky, the BBC and others have it as part of their sport coverage. Your are the one who is trying to redefine what a sport is just to fit your argument. The true definition doesn't mention anything about breaking into a sweat. [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 13:03]
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It's hard not to bite see. He has a quite the skill set for irritation. | |
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| Golf on 13:11 - Jun 25 with 1765 views | Ryorry |
| Golf on 12:51 - Jun 25 by Herbivore |
Sky also show darts on their sports channels, do you consider their sports? That's also in the category of being a lame argument. A sport requires physical exertion, to me that means being at least a little bit out of breath in the playing of a sport. Swinging a club every couple of minutes and having a stroll doesn't qualify. Players don't even come close to breaking a sweat, unless it's a hot day. If we're saying golf has enough physical exertion to be considered a sport then so do darts and snooker, imo. |
I'm a neutral here re the definition, but doesn't golf require a huge amount of upper body strength to make the long distance drives? (as well as technique obviously). Which would, I''d have thought, partly account for the decline of performance with age, along with intellectual capacity & decision making which also decrease with age. | |
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| Golf on 13:16 - Jun 25 with 1761 views | Herbivore |
| Golf on 13:11 - Jun 25 by Ryorry |
I'm a neutral here re the definition, but doesn't golf require a huge amount of upper body strength to make the long distance drives? (as well as technique obviously). Which would, I''d have thought, partly account for the decline of performance with age, along with intellectual capacity & decision making which also decrease with age. |
Pro golfers can still compete at a very high level well into their 40s and beyond, which is generally uncommon in actual sports. You see snooker players similarly declining with age, but I don't think that's primarily linked to physical ability either. | |
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| Golf on 13:22 - Jun 25 with 1759 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Golf on 13:11 - Jun 25 by Ryorry |
I'm a neutral here re the definition, but doesn't golf require a huge amount of upper body strength to make the long distance drives? (as well as technique obviously). Which would, I''d have thought, partly account for the decline of performance with age, along with intellectual capacity & decision making which also decrease with age. |
Yes an no. Technique and swing speed would make up a lot of it (Swing speed is partly genetics but you can train it - think like sprinters and fast slow twitch fibres). But you are right as well. Modern golfers have become much more athletic in build (like many other sports) because of the advantages they get now. Bryson Dechambeu gained 20 yards on his drive during Covid break by bulking up massively (check out before and after its insane and interesting).
Herbs last argument was incredibly lame as he's clearly redefining the definition or at least not understanding it (or not understanding the game at all). Of course you could go and play golf and put no effort in. You could do the same down the park with you mates playing football. doesn't define a sport by 1 persons lack of effort. Also he needs to understand the word exert. a) there are obviously different levels of pressure for example you can exert b) What the hell does he think would send a solid ball 350 yards down the planet if it isn't an exertion of physical force?
I'm just in this for the 'bantz' now. | |
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| Golf on 13:30 - Jun 25 with 1754 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Golf on 13:16 - Jun 25 by Herbivore |
Pro golfers can still compete at a very high level well into their 40s and beyond, which is generally uncommon in actual sports. You see snooker players similarly declining with age, but I don't think that's primarily linked to physical ability either. |
Pro golfers decline after age 40. very low % win. It is a fact this is to do with physical attributes declining thus basically disproving your argument immediately. That is why a senior tour exists.
Again...if you missed it there are plenty of sports with athletes competing pro into their 40s. Studies actually showed triathletes times improving in their 40s. Again a mockery of your argument.
You won't admit you are wrong though.... | |
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