| Why is PMQs a thing? 12:45 - Jun 24 with 4930 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
No questions actually get answered.
Boris laughs, he shrugs, he mocks and he lies. Starmer asked him some very important questions and Boris didn't even try to answer.
Imagine finally getting your dream job and being completely Sh!t at it. [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 12:45]
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:42 - Jun 24 with 955 views | 26_Paz |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:39 - Jun 24 by SpruceMoose |
Are we not counting what we know of from Boris before COVID in this 'maybe he's just distracted' equation? Because everything we know from that period shouldn't give you much confidence.
Well Paz, clearly you're an optimistic fellow, but I'm certain time will tell that you've backed a three legged nag in this race. [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 20:10]
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We shall see. As a Tory I’m certainly more concerned by Starmer than JC or Milliband (Ed). |  |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:44 - Jun 24 with 952 views | Herbivore |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:32 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
Have to agree to disagree on that. KS been getting the better of BoJo most weeks, I’ll give you that. I’m hoping it’s due to BoJo being a little, shall we say, distracted by the whole dealing with a pandemic thing but time will tell on that one ... |
No, it's because Johnson is a complete charlatan that's not remotely fit for public office. He's also one of the least capable people to have graced the House of Commons. If you'd done any due diligence on him you'd already know this. |  |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:46 - Jun 24 with 944 views | Herbivore |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:42 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
We shall see. As a Tory I’m certainly more concerned by Starmer than JC or Milliband (Ed). |
Has it never occurred to you to just vote for the decent politicians instead? Being a Tory because you see yourself as a Tory seems rather narrow minded. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:46 - Jun 24 with 942 views | 26_Paz |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:44 - Jun 24 by Herbivore |
No, it's because Johnson is a complete charlatan that's not remotely fit for public office. He's also one of the least capable people to have graced the House of Commons. If you'd done any due diligence on him you'd already know this. |
I’ve followed Boris’s career very closely. I saw him speak when he was mayor of London. Always liked his politics, hence backing him in the leadership election. Vindicated by the general election result, was it not? | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:49 - Jun 24 with 936 views | 26_Paz |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:46 - Jun 24 by Herbivore |
Has it never occurred to you to just vote for the decent politicians instead? Being a Tory because you see yourself as a Tory seems rather narrow minded. |
If there was a labour leader who I felt closer to politically than the Tory incumbent I would vote for them. I was too young to vote at the time but probably would have voted for Blair in 97 and 01. I did leave the party for a while under Cameron, I’m not wedded to it just out of habit.
Do you mind if I ask how many different parties you have voted for? | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:50 - Jun 24 with 932 views | Herbivore |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:46 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
I’ve followed Boris’s career very closely. I saw him speak when he was mayor of London. Always liked his politics, hence backing him in the leadership election. Vindicated by the general election result, was it not? |
Not really, not if what you want is a well run country with capable leadership. Not if you want a government that puts its people first. In fact we all lost at the last election. Politics isn't football, Paz. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:51 - Jun 24 with 929 views | Herbivore |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:49 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
If there was a labour leader who I felt closer to politically than the Tory incumbent I would vote for them. I was too young to vote at the time but probably would have voted for Blair in 97 and 01. I did leave the party for a while under Cameron, I’m not wedded to it just out of habit.
Do you mind if I ask how many different parties you have voted for? |
Three. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:52 - Jun 24 with 928 views | 26_Paz |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:50 - Jun 24 by Herbivore |
Not really, not if what you want is a well run country with capable leadership. Not if you want a government that puts its people first. In fact we all lost at the last election. Politics isn't football, Paz. |
I know that. I thought Boris did a fantastic job as mayor of London (see knife crime stats and investment in public transport). Still hopeful he’ll do a similarly good job as PM. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:57 - Jun 24 with 920 views | Herbivore |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:52 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
I know that. I thought Boris did a fantastic job as mayor of London (see knife crime stats and investment in public transport). Still hopeful he’ll do a similarly good job as PM. |
He really didn't. And he really won't be a good PM. That was obvious before he became PM and it was obvious in the few months he was PM before the election. You voted for him mainly because of Brexit, not because you thought he'd be good for the country. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:00 - Jun 24 with 917 views | 26_Paz |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:57 - Jun 24 by Herbivore |
He really didn't. And he really won't be a good PM. That was obvious before he became PM and it was obvious in the few months he was PM before the election. You voted for him mainly because of Brexit, not because you thought he'd be good for the country. |
Brexit was a huge factor, certainly. It probably won’t surprise you that I felt closer to boris’s position than JC’s on pretty much every other issue as well. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:00 - Jun 24 with 914 views | Herbivore |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:00 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
Brexit was a huge factor, certainly. It probably won’t surprise you that I felt closer to boris’s position than JC’s on pretty much every other issue as well. |
Yeah, I've always suspected you lack basic humanity. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:17 - Jun 24 with 887 views | SpruceMoose |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:46 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
I’ve followed Boris’s career very closely. I saw him speak when he was mayor of London. Always liked his politics, hence backing him in the leadership election. Vindicated by the general election result, was it not? |
Genuine question Paz, in the spirit of the new truce.
You say that you've followed Johnson's career closely and you like his politics.
Can I ask why you were not put off at all by his extremely racist 'water melon smiles' and 'piccaninnies' comments?
Or why you weren't put off by his casual homophobia when he came out with the 'tank topped bum boys' line?
Or why you weren't put off by that time he was caught planning to have a journalist assaulted?
If you've followed his career closely you must have been aware of these things (and many others I don't have the time to list), and presumably you have had to rationalise them some how in order to still support him, despite what are, to me, abhorrent comments and actions.
So I guess my very genuine question is, how have you rationalised supporting a racist, violent, homophobe?
Surely the answer can't be as simple as 'He gave me Brexit'? [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 20:22]
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:22 - Jun 24 with 867 views | 26_Paz |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:17 - Jun 24 by SpruceMoose |
Genuine question Paz, in the spirit of the new truce.
You say that you've followed Johnson's career closely and you like his politics.
Can I ask why you were not put off at all by his extremely racist 'water melon smiles' and 'piccaninnies' comments?
Or why you weren't put off by his casual homophobia when he came out with the 'tank topped bum boys' line?
Or why you weren't put off by that time he was caught planning to have a journalist assaulted?
If you've followed his career closely you must have been aware of these things (and many others I don't have the time to list), and presumably you have had to rationalise them some how in order to still support him, despite what are, to me, abhorrent comments and actions.
So I guess my very genuine question is, how have you rationalised supporting a racist, violent, homophobe?
Surely the answer can't be as simple as 'He gave me Brexit'? [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 20:22]
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The comments are unfortunate, certainly. I feel they may have been slightly taken out of context and I don’t believe for one minute that Boris is a racist or a homophobe. Organisations falling under his remit when he was mayor of London (e.g. TfL and the met police) were consistently recognised and rewarded for their diversity policies.
I guess it’s similar in a way to how Labour supporters would rationalise JC re tweeting that cartoon that showed a cartoon Jew with a big nose. That was also unfortunate but in reality probably taken out of context and he is probably not a raging anti Semite. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:26 - Jun 24 with 852 views | SpruceMoose |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:22 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
The comments are unfortunate, certainly. I feel they may have been slightly taken out of context and I don’t believe for one minute that Boris is a racist or a homophobe. Organisations falling under his remit when he was mayor of London (e.g. TfL and the met police) were consistently recognised and rewarded for their diversity policies.
I guess it’s similar in a way to how Labour supporters would rationalise JC re tweeting that cartoon that showed a cartoon Jew with a big nose. That was also unfortunate but in reality probably taken out of context and he is probably not a raging anti Semite. |
Thank you for the answer. I have a few follow up questions as a result of your answer, if that's ok?
You say that Johnson has been taken out of context.
In what context would it be ok to say a Black person has a 'watermelon smile', and do you believe Johnson was operating within this context when he made the comment?
In what context would it be ok to say the phrase 'tank topped bum boys' when referring to gay men, and do you believe Johnson was operating within this context when he made the comment?
In what context would it be ok to plan the assault of a journalist, and do you believe Johnson was operating within this context when he made the comment? [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 20:28]
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:36 - Jun 24 with 832 views | 26_Paz |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:26 - Jun 24 by SpruceMoose |
Thank you for the answer. I have a few follow up questions as a result of your answer, if that's ok?
You say that Johnson has been taken out of context.
In what context would it be ok to say a Black person has a 'watermelon smile', and do you believe Johnson was operating within this context when he made the comment?
In what context would it be ok to say the phrase 'tank topped bum boys' when referring to gay men, and do you believe Johnson was operating within this context when he made the comment?
In what context would it be ok to plan the assault of a journalist, and do you believe Johnson was operating within this context when he made the comment? [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 20:28]
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Not a problem mate. A few things really I suppose:
1. They were said the best part of 20 years ago when things were a bit different, not saying that makes it right, but it’s the context you’ve asked for. At the time things like Little Britain were perfectly acceptable. We wouldn’t dream of making comedies today that laugh at transsexuals or involve blackface ... what’s considered acceptable has changed in that time.
2. I don’t believe he meant genuine offence by the comments. They were in his newspaper columns where he no doubt got a little carried away by attempts at satire. I don’t think he meant to belittle or offend.
I must confess to not knowing too much about the beating up a journalist thing ... but I’m sure we can all agree that certain elements of the press might have asked for a bit of a slap at some points!
Do you mind if I ask a similar question as to how you would contextualise some of JC’s suspect moments in relation to anti Semitism? | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:39 - Jun 24 with 820 views | Herbivore |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:36 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
Not a problem mate. A few things really I suppose:
1. They were said the best part of 20 years ago when things were a bit different, not saying that makes it right, but it’s the context you’ve asked for. At the time things like Little Britain were perfectly acceptable. We wouldn’t dream of making comedies today that laugh at transsexuals or involve blackface ... what’s considered acceptable has changed in that time.
2. I don’t believe he meant genuine offence by the comments. They were in his newspaper columns where he no doubt got a little carried away by attempts at satire. I don’t think he meant to belittle or offend.
I must confess to not knowing too much about the beating up a journalist thing ... but I’m sure we can all agree that certain elements of the press might have asked for a bit of a slap at some points!
Do you mind if I ask a similar question as to how you would contextualise some of JC’s suspect moments in relation to anti Semitism? |
I think you're reaching a bit here. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:48 - Jun 24 with 810 views | SpruceMoose |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:36 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
Not a problem mate. A few things really I suppose:
1. They were said the best part of 20 years ago when things were a bit different, not saying that makes it right, but it’s the context you’ve asked for. At the time things like Little Britain were perfectly acceptable. We wouldn’t dream of making comedies today that laugh at transsexuals or involve blackface ... what’s considered acceptable has changed in that time.
2. I don’t believe he meant genuine offence by the comments. They were in his newspaper columns where he no doubt got a little carried away by attempts at satire. I don’t think he meant to belittle or offend.
I must confess to not knowing too much about the beating up a journalist thing ... but I’m sure we can all agree that certain elements of the press might have asked for a bit of a slap at some points!
Do you mind if I ask a similar question as to how you would contextualise some of JC’s suspect moments in relation to anti Semitism? |
I don't want us to get side tracked by 'But Corbyn' but as far as I'm aware JC didn't draw that cartoon you referenced.
I also didnt vote for Jeremy Corbyn, and do not support him today, so that question might be better asked to someone who did and does.
I appreciate what you say about standards of acceptability changing over time, but as I'm sure you're aware, there was actually an outcry at the time he made those comments, so enough was known by enough people back then that he would have known that it was offensive.
But, people make mistakes and if they feel bad about them then they attempt to make amends. Are you aware of any measures Johnson has since taken to make amends for those comments? As I'm sure you know, his comments about Muslim women looking like 'letterboxes' came in 2018, and they don't suggest he's had much of a racial enlightenment. What did you make of those comments?
Also, you didn't mention your thoughts on the whole 'planning to assault a journalist' thing. Was that ok when it happened or is it something we've come to frown upon years later? I'm fairly sure assaulting journalists has always been a bit of a no-no.
I appreciate your answers Paz, but I must say I don't feel all that satisfied with them. It seens like you're excusing an awful lot here. [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 20:51]
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:48 - Jun 24 with 803 views | footers |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 19:52 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
I know that. I thought Boris did a fantastic job as mayor of London (see knife crime stats and investment in public transport). Still hopeful he’ll do a similarly good job as PM. |
The major investment in public transport was his new Routemaster idea, which was a pointless vanity project designed to remove the previous bendy buses. They're largely a waste of money and generally require two people to operate instead of one.
He's a bumbling no-mark who has no political philosophy aside from "what makes me look good?" Your faith is misplaced in this charlatan. [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 20:55]
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:52 - Jun 24 with 791 views | Herbivore |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:48 - Jun 24 by SpruceMoose |
I don't want us to get side tracked by 'But Corbyn' but as far as I'm aware JC didn't draw that cartoon you referenced.
I also didnt vote for Jeremy Corbyn, and do not support him today, so that question might be better asked to someone who did and does.
I appreciate what you say about standards of acceptability changing over time, but as I'm sure you're aware, there was actually an outcry at the time he made those comments, so enough was known by enough people back then that he would have known that it was offensive.
But, people make mistakes and if they feel bad about them then they attempt to make amends. Are you aware of any measures Johnson has since taken to make amends for those comments? As I'm sure you know, his comments about Muslim women looking like 'letterboxes' came in 2018, and they don't suggest he's had much of a racial enlightenment. What did you make of those comments?
Also, you didn't mention your thoughts on the whole 'planning to assault a journalist' thing. Was that ok when it happened or is it something we've come to frown upon years later? I'm fairly sure assaulting journalists has always been a bit of a no-no.
I appreciate your answers Paz, but I must say I don't feel all that satisfied with them. It seens like you're excusing an awful lot here. [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 20:51]
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This was his response regarding the journalist:
"I’m sure we can all agree that certain elements of the press might have asked for a bit of a slap at some points!"
Of course, Johnson himself is a journalist and one of the less scrupulous ones as well, what with getting sacked for falsifying quotes and having his employers have to print numerous corrections and retractions about his columns. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:54 - Jun 24 with 787 views | SpruceMoose |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:52 - Jun 24 by Herbivore |
This was his response regarding the journalist:
"I’m sure we can all agree that certain elements of the press might have asked for a bit of a slap at some points!"
Of course, Johnson himself is a journalist and one of the less scrupulous ones as well, what with getting sacked for falsifying quotes and having his employers have to print numerous corrections and retractions about his columns. |
Ah I skipped that part somehow. Thanks for highlighting it.
I mean sure, I can imagine your average bloke doing community service might think it's acceptable to slap people for being annoying, but is that really want we want in a PM? [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 5:02]
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:54 - Jun 24 with 785 views | footers |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:52 - Jun 24 by Herbivore |
This was his response regarding the journalist:
"I’m sure we can all agree that certain elements of the press might have asked for a bit of a slap at some points!"
Of course, Johnson himself is a journalist and one of the less scrupulous ones as well, what with getting sacked for falsifying quotes and having his employers have to print numerous corrections and retractions about his columns. |
And I know his address now too.
Someone ring me and make this happen. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:56 - Jun 24 with 781 views | 26_Paz |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:48 - Jun 24 by SpruceMoose |
I don't want us to get side tracked by 'But Corbyn' but as far as I'm aware JC didn't draw that cartoon you referenced.
I also didnt vote for Jeremy Corbyn, and do not support him today, so that question might be better asked to someone who did and does.
I appreciate what you say about standards of acceptability changing over time, but as I'm sure you're aware, there was actually an outcry at the time he made those comments, so enough was known by enough people back then that he would have known that it was offensive.
But, people make mistakes and if they feel bad about them then they attempt to make amends. Are you aware of any measures Johnson has since taken to make amends for those comments? As I'm sure you know, his comments about Muslim women looking like 'letterboxes' came in 2018, and they don't suggest he's had much of a racial enlightenment. What did you make of those comments?
Also, you didn't mention your thoughts on the whole 'planning to assault a journalist' thing. Was that ok when it happened or is it something we've come to frown upon years later? I'm fairly sure assaulting journalists has always been a bit of a no-no.
I appreciate your answers Paz, but I must say I don't feel all that satisfied with them. It seens like you're excusing an awful lot here. [Post edited 24 Jun 2020 20:51]
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Quite a lot to answer there so apologies if I miss something (I’m typing on the phone whilst watching the Liverpool game):
Looking at your last point first I answered re the journalist, I’d politely ask you to re read my original answer on that one.
Re my reference to JC, whilst he didn’t draw the cartoon I believe he re tweeted it (may be wrong). Anyway, I wrongly assumed you were a fan of his so happy to park that one.
As for the looking like letterboxes thing, again, I genuinely don’t think he meant this to offend. There’s certainly an element of playing to his audience in certain newspapers as well. I don’t think he meant it in a ‘nasty’ way, I think it was attempts at satire rather than deliberately trying to offend people. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:56 - Jun 24 with 781 views | Herbivore |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:54 - Jun 24 by SpruceMoose |
Ah I skipped that part somehow. Thanks for highlighting it.
I mean sure, I can imagine your average bloke doing community service might think it's acceptable to slap people for being annoying, but is that really want we want in a PM? [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 5:02]
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He's going to quite some lengths to justify Johnson's actions. It's quite bizarre. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:58 - Jun 24 with 777 views | Herbivore |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:56 - Jun 24 by 26_Paz |
Quite a lot to answer there so apologies if I miss something (I’m typing on the phone whilst watching the Liverpool game):
Looking at your last point first I answered re the journalist, I’d politely ask you to re read my original answer on that one.
Re my reference to JC, whilst he didn’t draw the cartoon I believe he re tweeted it (may be wrong). Anyway, I wrongly assumed you were a fan of his so happy to park that one.
As for the looking like letterboxes thing, again, I genuinely don’t think he meant this to offend. There’s certainly an element of playing to his audience in certain newspapers as well. I don’t think he meant it in a ‘nasty’ way, I think it was attempts at satire rather than deliberately trying to offend people. |
That's an incredibly weak defence. You're basically saying it was just bantz, which doesn't make it any better and probably isn't accurate either. | |
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| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:59 - Jun 24 with 775 views | 26_Paz |
| Why is PMQs a thing? on 20:56 - Jun 24 by Herbivore |
He's going to quite some lengths to justify Johnson's actions. It's quite bizarre. |
I’m only answering specific questions spruce has asked me. | |
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