| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 17:14 - Jul 7 with 1462 views | Steve_M |
I suspect it is down to this part but....:
"Ms Ager has not made a statement to police and does not appear to support this prosecution."
The Judge's sentencing remarks are always worth reading rather than just the - understandable - outrage at what looks a lenient sentence. |  |
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 17:20 - Jul 7 with 1433 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Not sure how productive a prison sentence would be?
He seems contrite and prepared to rehabilitate.
He's been very open about his mental health battles and how the death of a close friend sent him off the rails.
I don't think he's got away Scott free. [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 17:22]
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 19:09 - Jul 7 with 1304 views | Basuco |
Once again this raises the difficult question, should there be a prosecution if the victim does not wish to proceed with a complaint? |  | | |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 19:13 - Jul 7 with 1291 views | sparks |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 19:09 - Jul 7 by Basuco |
Once again this raises the difficult question, should there be a prosecution if the victim does not wish to proceed with a complaint? |
Probably. But how are you going to produce sufficient evidence? |  |
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 19:50 - Jul 7 with 1246 views | eastangliaisblue |
I hope he gets a bad dose, so he finally takes it serious. Maybe it will also knock a bit of sense into him in. Although i'm not hopeful. [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 21:15]
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:01 - Jul 7 with 1231 views | BlueBadger |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 19:09 - Jul 7 by Basuco |
Once again this raises the difficult question, should there be a prosecution if the victim does not wish to proceed with a complaint? |
Given that most domestic abusers are manipulative scumbags who convince their victims that everything is *their* fault and they deserve all of it, yes. |  |
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:11 - Jul 7 with 1207 views | sparks |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:01 - Jul 7 by BlueBadger |
Given that most domestic abusers are manipulative scumbags who convince their victims that everything is *their* fault and they deserve all of it, yes. |
As I point out above- the practicalities are problematic.
By its very nature, domestic violence tends to have only two good witnesses. Getting a conviction on the "beyond reasonable doubt" evidential burden, with only one of those witnesses, who also happens to be the defendant, is obviously rare. | |
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:11 - Jul 7 with 1206 views | hampstead_blue |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 19:09 - Jul 7 by Basuco |
Once again this raises the difficult question, should there be a prosecution if the victim does not wish to proceed with a complaint? |
I feel the law should always decide that question. The victim has an opinion but the law is there to protect society so should have the last say.
Did he get off lightly? No idea. Too many unknowns and I don't know the sentencing guidelines [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 20:12]
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:15 - Jul 7 with 1203 views | BlueBadger |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 17:20 - Jul 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Not sure how productive a prison sentence would be?
He seems contrite and prepared to rehabilitate.
He's been very open about his mental health battles and how the death of a close friend sent him off the rails.
I don't think he's got away Scott free. [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 17:22]
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Oh, they're ALWAYS sorry and they'll ALWAYS do better next time.
/professional AND personal experience. [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 20:19]
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:19 - Jul 7 with 1180 views | SpruceMoose |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:15 - Jul 7 by BlueBadger |
Oh, they're ALWAYS sorry and they'll ALWAYS do better next time.
/professional AND personal experience. [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 20:19]
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Sorry they got caught and they will always attempt to do better at evading capture next time, you mean? |  |
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:40 - Jul 7 with 1150 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:15 - Jul 7 by BlueBadger |
Oh, they're ALWAYS sorry and they'll ALWAYS do better next time.
/professional AND personal experience. [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 20:19]
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The question was;
What impact would a jail sentence have in this case?
Quite surprised that you have chosen to ignore the mental health issues in this case. [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 20:41]
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:41 - Jul 7 with 1141 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:19 - Jul 7 by SpruceMoose |
Sorry they got caught and they will always attempt to do better at evading capture next time, you mean? |
Similar situation to the Caroline Flack case in that the victim chose not to press charges. Idve been very surprised if she was jailed. | |
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:46 - Jul 7 with 1117 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:11 - Jul 7 by hampstead_blue |
I feel the law should always decide that question. The victim has an opinion but the law is there to protect society so should have the last say.
Did he get off lightly? No idea. Too many unknowns and I don't know the sentencing guidelines [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 20:12]
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| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 21:11 - Jul 7 with 1070 views | Kievthegreat |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 19:09 - Jul 7 by Basuco |
Once again this raises the difficult question, should there be a prosecution if the victim does not wish to proceed with a complaint? |
If CPS are confident that an incident of domestic abuse has occurred, then yes. It should be remembered that domestic abuse is rarely just a single violent incident, but usually follows a pattern involving significant manipulation and control. My missus works in the justice system and had a case where a woman had her face deliberately sliced up by her partner when he was angry at her. He had history and was known to the police, but she didn't want to proceed, when it went to trial she wanted to testify FOR him, she tried to visit and contact him in prison.
It's a difficult question about whether to proceed without the victim, but the answer should never be a default of "no". |  | | |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 21:16 - Jul 7 with 1058 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 19:50 - Jul 7 by eastangliaisblue |
I hope he gets a bad dose, so he finally takes it serious. Maybe it will also knock a bit of sense into him in. Although i'm not hopeful. [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 21:15]
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I somehow managed to post this on the wrong thread! (Facepalm.) | | | |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 21:18 - Jul 7 with 1050 views | BlueBadger |
| Now, I'm no 'hang and flog 'em' merchant but... on 20:40 - Jul 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The question was;
What impact would a jail sentence have in this case?
Quite surprised that you have chosen to ignore the mental health issues in this case. [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 20:41]
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